Demolishing the Sethite Theory with Historical Facts

Rob Skiba studies the Bible and the ancients in reference to Genesis 6:1-4, and on Facebook presents a beautiful refutation of the silly “Sethite Theory” which NONE of the ancients believed in. (It seems the ancients were thousands of years closer to the events, and would have a much better understanding than you or me. Duuuuh.) Look at the voluminous collection of proof that the Sons of God were fallen angels who had illicit relations with women and together produced an ungodly and unnatural offspring – the Nephilim. By the way, Rob’s material is NOT comprehensive (He encourages further study), and one can go on and on and on, further validating what the ancients already knew. Blessings, Pastor Steve <><

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Genesis 6:
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

From time to time, various people will write to me, attempting to refute the angelic view of the above Scripture. The alternate view is often referred to as the Sethite Theory. That thesis suggests that the “sons of God” is a reference to the good sons of Seth and the “daughters of men” is a reference to the bad daughters of Cain. This is the dominant view taught in seminaries today and now many in the Torah/Messianic community are beginning to teach the same bogus nonsense.

The simple fact of that matter is, the angelic view of the “sons of God” is a Biblical and historical fact, the understanding of which was held by virtually everyone until the 3rd Century AD. You have to literally ignore massive amounts of data to believe otherwise. Furthermore, you’d have to employ eisegesis in your interpretation of Scripture, which leads to all sorts of gross error. There is absolutely nothing in Genesis 6, which in any way refers to Seth or Cain or their offspring. Rather the phrase “sons of God” is a reference applied to angels, just as it was in the book of Job (which actually predates Genesis):

Job 38:1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Were the alleged “good sons of Seth” there at the time of Creation? No. They were not. However, the angels were – as various Biblical commentaries also agree:

Barnes’ Notes on the Bible on Job 38:7…

When the morning-stars – There can be little doubt that angelic beings are intended here, though some have thought that the stars literally are referred to, and that they seemed to unite in a chorus of praise when another world was added to their number. The Vulgate renders it, astra matutina, morning-stars; the Septuagint, ὅτε ἐγενήθηναι ἄστρα hote egenēthēnai astra – ” when the stars were made:” the Chaldee, “the stars of the zephyr,” or “morning” – צפר כוכבי. The comparison of a prince, a monarch, or an angel, with a star, is not uncommon; compare the notes at Isaiah 14. The expression “the morning-stars” is used on account of the beauty of the principal star which, at certain seasons of the year, leads on the morning. It is applied naturally to those angelic beings that are of distinguished glory and rank in heaven. That it refers to the angels, seems to be evident from the connection; and this interpretation is demanded in order to correspond with the phrase “sons of God” in the other member of the verse.Sang together – United in a grand chorus or concert of praise. It was usual to celebrate the laying of a cornerstone, or the completion of an edifice, by rejoicing; see Zechariah 4:7; Ezra 3:10.And all the sons of God – Angels – called the sons of God from their resemblance to him, or their being created by him.Shouted for joy – That is, they joined in praise for so glorious a work as the creation of a new world. They saw that it was an event which was fitted to honor God.Pulpit Commentary on Job 38:7…And all the sons of God shouted for joy. “The sons of God” here must necessarily be the angels (see Job 1:6; Job 2:1), since there were no men as yet in existence. They too joined in the chorus of sympathy and admiration, perhaps lifting up their voices (Revelation 5:11, 12), perhaps their hearts only, praising the Creator, who had done such marvellous things.Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible on Job 38:7 (NOTE: this one actually plays into your Hebrew breakdown of the term “sons of God”)……and all the sons of God shouted for joy; which are usually understood of angels also, so the Targum; who are the sons of God, not by birth, as Christ, nor by adoption, as saints; but by creation, as Adam, Luke 3:38. And because they bear some likeness to God, as holy spirits, and honour and obey him in doing his will; though the character of sons of God, as distinct from the children of men, given to professors of religion, obtained before the times of Job; see Genesis 6:2; and who might be said to sing together, and shout for joy, when they met for social worship; see Job 1:6; and especially when any fresh discoveries were made to them of the Messiah, and salvation by him.Jamieson-Faussett-Brown Bible Commentary on Job 38:7……morning stars—especially beautiful. The creation morn is appropriately associated with these, it being the commencement of this world’s day. The stars are figuratively said to sing God’s praises, as in Ps 19:1; 148:3. They are symbols of the angels, bearing the same relation to our earth, as angels do to us. Therefore they answer to “sons of God,” or angels, in the parallel. See on [549]Job 25:5.Matthew Poole’s Commentary on Job 38:7…The sons of God, as it here follows, the latter clause of the verse being explicatory of the former, as is most frequent in this and some other books of Scripture, to wit, the angels, who may well be called stars, as even men of eminent note, and particularly ministers of God’s word, are called, Daniel 8:10 12:3 Revelation 1:16,20; and morning stars, because of their excellent lustre and glory, for which they are called angels of light, 2 Corinthians 11:14, and Christ for the same reason is called the Morning Star, Revelation 22:16. The sons of God; the blessed angels; for man not being yet made, God had then no other sons; and these are called the sons of God, partly because they had their whole being from him, and partly because they were made partakers of his Divine and glorious image. And all these are said to join in this work of praising God, probably because none of the angels were as yet fallen from their first estate, though they did fall within a very little time after.

I could go on, but hopefully, you get the point. Job predates Genesis. The term “sons of God” in Job was understood to be angels. Thus, it is also understood exactly the same way in Genesis 6. This is not confirmed by just “two or three witnesses” either. It is confirmed by the entire Ancient Near Eastern historical record (including in the canonized and non-canonized Hebrew texts)!

Here’s the issue: If you toss out the well documented historical, Hebraic understanding of the Nephilim as the offspring of angels (and genetic tampering), you basically turn YHWH into a schizophrenic, prejudice God who is into random acts of genocide. Why? Because with the Sethite view, you have no plausible explanation for why YHWH would allow the Israelites to take women, children and animals as spoils of war in some military campaigns, while in others, they are commanded to “utterly destroy” everything – including the women, children and animals. A careful reading of the Scriptures in the Torah and elsewhere, wherein the Israelites are commanded to utterly destroy everything is consistently found to be within the context of the Nephilim. Without the hybrid understanding, you also have no explanation for the descriptions of the Canaanites given all through the Scriptures either. For instance, you’d be hard-pressed to find a reasonable answer as to why proud parents would name their newborn children things like “terror” (Heth – Genesis 10:15) and “enclosure of wrath” (Hamathite – Genesis 10:18). And I’m sorry, but kissing cousins simply do not produce “cedar tree” sized Amorite giants (Amos 2:9) who are of “great stature” (Numbers 13:28-33).

And to top it all off, Sethite theorists have no reasonable explanation for the numerous accounts of giants found all over the world (both pre-and post-Flood). They can ignore the “DNA tampering issues” too if they’d like, but then they’ll have no explanation for characters like this either:

And no. Cranial head-boarding does not account for 25-40% larger brains and the totally different suture patterns, as well as the other anomalies often associated with these skulls. Those people were born that way and skulls like this have been found all over the world. Recent DNA testing has shown that they are “not quite human” either. Yes, they have human DNA, but they also have “other DNA” as well. This of course – at least in my mind – perfectly conforms with the Nephilim thesis as laid out in the ancient texts, which you must ignore to hold to the Sethite views. Furthermore, you must also deny the fact of animal-human hybridization taking place (as reported in mainstream news) in our days, just as it was “in the days of Noah.”

The canonized texts alone provide ample reason to accept the angelic view, but if you include the testimonies of Enoch and Jubilees, that view is absolutely unmistakable. Some claim that Enoch has been “grossly mistranslated and misinterpreted,” but the burden is on them to prove it. You can’t just make that claim, based on opinion. And not only would you have to prove there were errors in translation, but also that entire chapters, which clearly describe the issue of the “angels that sinned” in great detail, have to be completely cut out of the text.

As I said above, today, unfortunately the so-called “Sethite view” is what is taught in seminaries and now many Messianic and “Torah Teachers” are perpetuating the same entirely unsubstantiated nonsense. But to accept this view is to deny the massive weight of an enormous amount of ancient testimony – first and foremost the Biblical text, then the Biblically-endorsed texts (such as Enoch and Jubilees) and finally, the testimonies of historians and so-called, “Church Fathers” and other early and recent Christian apologetic authors – just a handful of which are quoted below. I don’t want to do your homework for you, but this is surely enough to get you started on your own…

Writing at some point prior to 50 AD (at the same time as the Apostles), the Hellenistic Jewish philosopher, Philo wrote:

On what principle it was that giants were born of angels and women? (Gen. 6:4). The poets call those men who were born out of the earth giants, that is to say, sons of the Earth {the Greek name Gigas is said to be derived from geμ and gennaoμ, “to bring forth.”} But Moses here uses this appellation improperly, and he uses it too very often merely to denote the vast personal size of the principal men, equal to that of Hajk {hajk is an addition of the Armenian translator; it is the name of a fabulous patriarch of the Armenian nation} or Hercules. But he relates that these giants were sprung from a combined procreation of two natures, namely, from angels and mortal women; for the substance of angels is spiritual; but it occurs every now and then that on emergencies occurring they have imitated the appearance of men, and transformed themselves so as to assume the human shape; as they did on this occasion, when forming connections with women for the production of giants. But if the children turn out imitators of the wickedness of their mothers, departing from the virtue of their fathers, let them depart, according to the determination of the will of a depraved race, and because of their proud contempt for the supreme Deity, and so be condemned as guilty of voluntary and deliberate wickedness. But sometimes Moses styles the angels the sons of God, inasmuch as they were not produced by any mortal, but are incorporeal, as being spirits destitute of any body; or rather that exhorter and teacher of virtue, namely Moses, calls those men who are very excellent and endowed with great virtue the sons of God; and the wicked and depraved men he calls bodies, or flesh.

– Philo, Questions and Answers on Genesis, Book 1, Point # 92

He thus describes the Israelite encounter with the Post-Flood giants when they spied out the land of Canaan…

They also surveyed all the strongest cities, looking upon them in two points of view; first, with reference to their advantages of situation, and also to the strength of their fortification; also, when they inquired respecting the inhabitants, they saw that they were very numerous indeed, and giants of exceeding tallness with absolutely gigantic bodies, both as to their magnitude and their strength.

– Philo On The Life of Moses, 1, Chapter XLI

Clement of Rome is said to have been a disciple of Peter, who lived at the close of the first century. The following is attributed to his writings…

“All things therefore being completed which are in heaven, and in earth, and in the waters, and the human race also having multiplied, in the eighth generation, righteous men, who had lived the life of angels, being allured by the beauty of women, fell into promiscuous and illicit connections with these; and thenceforth acting in all things without discretion, and disorderly, they changed the state of human affairs and the divinely prescribed order of life, so that either by persuasion or force they compelled all men to sin against God their Creator. In the ninth generation are born the giants, so called from of old,not dragon-footed, as the fables of the Greeks relate, but men of immense bodies, whose bones, of enormous size, are still shown in some places for confirmation. But against these the righteous providence of God brought a flood upon the world, that the earth might be purified from their pollution, and every place might be turned into a sea by the destruction of the wicked. Yet there was then found one righteous man, by name Noah, who, being delivered in an ark with his three sons and their wives, became the colonizer of the world after the subsiding of the waters, with those animals and seeds which he had shut up with him.”

– Recognitions of Clement, Book 1, Chapter XXIX, The Giants: The Flood

“The ten pairs of which we have spoken have therefore been assigned to this world from the beginning of time. Cain and Abel were one pair. The second was the giants and Noah; the third, Pharaoh and Abraham; the fourth, the Philistines and Isaac; the fifth, Esau and Jacob; the sixth, the magicians and Moses the lawgiver; the seventh, the tempter and the Son of man; the eighth, Simon and I, Peter; the ninth, all nations, and he who shall be sent to sow the word among the nations; the tenth, Antichrist and Christ. Concerning these pairs we shall give you fuller information at another time.” When Peter spoke thus, Aquila said: “Truly there is need of constant teaching, that one may learn what is true about everything.”

– Recognitions of Clement, Book III, Chapter LXI,Ten Pairs

From the Clementine Homilies:

Chapter XIII.-The Fall of the Angels.

But when, having assumed these forms, they convicted as covetous those who stole them, and changed themselves into the nature of men, in order that, living holily, and showing the possibility of so living, they might subject the ungrateful to punishment, yet having become in all respects men, they also partook of human lust, and being brought tinder its subjection they fell into cohabitation with women; and being involved with them, and sunk in defilement and altogether emptied of their first power, were unable to turn back to the first purity of their proper nature, their members turned away from their fiery substance: for the fire itself, being extinguished by the weight of lust, and changed into flesh, they trode the impious path downward. For they themselves, being fettered with the bonds of flesh, were constrained and strongly bound; wherefore they have no more been able to ascend into the heavens.

Chapter XV.-The Giants.

But from their unhallowed intercourse spurious men sprang, ranch greater in stature than ordinary men, whom they afterwards called giants; not those dragon-footed giants who waged war against God, as those blasphemous myths of the Greeks do sing, but wild in manners, and greater than men in size, inasmuch as they were sprung of angels; yet less than angels, as they were born of women. Therefore God, knowing that they were barbarized to brutality, and that the world was not sufficient to satisfy them (for it was created according to the proportion of men and human use), that they might not through want of food turn, contrary to nature, to the eating of animals, and yet seem to be blameless, as having ventured upon this through necessity, the Almighty God rained manna upon them, suited to their various tastes; and they enjoyed all that they would. But they, on account of their bastard nature, not being pleased with purity of food, longed only after the taste of blood. Wherefore they first tasted flesh.

Chapter XVIII.-The Law to the Survivors.

Since, therefore, the souls of the deceased giants were greater than human souls, inasmuch as they also excelled their bodies, they, as being a new race, were called also by a new name {demons}. And to those who survived in the world a law was prescribed of God through an angel, how they should live. For being bastards in race, of the fire of angels and the blood of women, and therefore liable to desire a certain race of their own, they were anticipated by a certain righteous law.

– Clement, Homily VIII, Chapters XIII; XV; XVIII

At about the same time, or not long after, the Jewish/Roman historian Josephus wrote:

Now this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as the Lord of the universe, and to have an entire regard to virtue, for seven generations; but in process of time they were perverted, and forsook the practices of their forefathers; and did neither pay those honors to God which were appointed them, nor had they any concern to do justice towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had formerly shown for virtue, they now showed by their actions a double degree of wickedness, whereby they made God to be their enemy. For many angels of God accompanied with women, and begat sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength; for the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call giants.

– Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, Book 1, Chapter 3

Then, when describing the events of Genesis 14, Josephus says…

At this time, when the Assyrians had the dominion over Asia, the people of Sodom were in a flourishing condition, both as to riches and the number of their youth. There were five kings that managed the affairs of this county: Ballas, Barsas, Senabar, and Sumobor, with the king of Bela; and each king led on his own troops: and the Assyrians made war upon them; and, dividing their army into four parts, fought against them. Now every part of the army had its own commander; and when the battle was joined, the Assyrians were conquerors, and imposed a tribute on the kings of the Sodomites, who submitted to this slavery twelve years; and so long they continued to pay their tribute: but on the thirteenth year they rebelled, and then the army of the Assyrians came upon them, under their commanders Amraphel, Arioch, Chodorlaomer, and Tidal. These kings had laid waste all Syria, and overthrown the offspring of the giants.

– Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, Book 1, Chapter 9

Regarding the later conquests of Israel, the historian goes on to say…

For which reason they removed their camp to Hebron; and when they had taken it, they slew all the inhabitants. There were till then left the race of giants, who had bodies so large, and countenances so entirely different from other men, that they were surprising to the sight, and terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shown to this very day, unlike to any credible relations of other men.

– Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, Book 5, Chapter 2.3

Writing sometime prior to 190 AD, Athenagoras of Athens said…

For this is the office of the angels,-to exercise providence for God over the things created and ordered by Him; so that God may have the universal and general providence of the whole, while the particular parts are provided for by the angels appointed over them.90 Just as with men, who have freedom of choice as to both virtue and vice (for you would not either honour the good or punish the bad, unless vice and virtue were in their own power; and some are diligent in the matters entrusted to them by you, and others faithless), so is it among the angels. Some, free agents, you will observe, such as they were created by God, continued in those things for which God had made and over which He had ordained them; but some outraged both the constitution of their nature and the government entrusted to them: namely, this ruler of matter and its various forms, and others of those who were placed about this first firmament (you know that we say nothing without witnesses, but state the things which have been declared by the prophets); these fell into impure love of virgins, and were subjugated by the flesh, and he became negligent and wicked in the management of the things entrusted to him. Of these lovers of virgins, therefore, were begotten those who are called giants. And if something has been said by the poets, too, about the giants, be not surprised at this: worldly Wisdom and divine differ as much from each other as truth and plausibility: the one is of heaven and the other of earth; and indeed, according to the prince of matter, “We know we oft speak lies that look like truths.”

– Athenagoras, A Plea For The Christians, Chapter XXIV.-Concerning the Angels and Giants

These angels, then, who have fallen from heaven, and haunt the air and the earth, and are no longer able to rise to heavenly things, and the souls of the giants, which are the demons who wander about the world, perform actions similar, the one (that is, the demons) to the natures they have received, the other (that is, the angels) to the appetites they have indulged. But the prince of matter, as may be seen merely from what transpires, exercises a control and management contrary to the good that is in God.

– Athenagoras, A Plea For The Christians, Chapter XXV.-The Poets and Philosophers Have Denied a Divine Providence

Writing some time prior to 220AD, Tertullian wrote:

But, you say, in the case of the dead, mortality is already swallowed up of life. No, not in all cases, certainly. For how many will most probably be found of men who had just died-so recently put into their graves, that nothing in them would seem to be decayed? For you do not of course deem a thing to be decayed unless it be cut off, abolished, and withdrawn from our perception, as having in every possible way ceased to be apparent. There are the carcases of the giants of old time; it will be obvious enough that they are not absolutely decayed, for their bony frames are still extant. We have already spoken of this elsewhere. For instance, even lately in this very city, when they were sacrilegiously laying the foundations of the Odeum on a good many ancient graves, people were horror-stricken to discover, after some five hundred years, bones, which still retained their moisture, and hair which had not lost its perfume. It is certain not only that bones remain indurated, but also that teeth continue undecayed for ages-both of them the lasting germs of that body which is to sprout into life again in the resurrection.

– Tertullian, On The Resurrection of the Flesh,

Chapter XLII.-Death Changes, Without Destroying, Our Mortal Bodies. Remains of the Giants

Contemporarily, Marcus Minucius Felix writing sometime before 250AD, wrote:

III. -The Worship of Demons

When Almighty God, to beautify the nature of the world, willed that that earth should be visited by angels, when they were sent down they despised His laws. Such was the beauty of women, that it turned them aside; so that, being contaminated, they could not return to heaven. Rebels from God, they uttered words against Him. Then the Highest uttered His judgment against them; and from their seed giants are said to have been born. By them arts were made known in the earth, and they taught the dyeing of wool, and everything which is done; and to them, when they died, men erected images. But the Almighty, because they were of an evil seed, did not approve that, when dead, they should be brought back from death. Whence wandering they now subvert many bodies, and it is such as these especially that ye this day worship and pray to as gods.

Marcus Minucius Felix, The Instructions of Commodianus in Favour of Christian Discipline. Chapter III

Likewise, at about this same time Julius Africanus, while appearing a bit conflicted about this issue wrote the following – being the first to propose what would later become known as the “Sethite theory” of Genesis 6:1-4…

When men multiplied on the earth, the angels of heaven came together with the daughters of men. In some copies I found “the sons of God.” What is meant by the Spirit, in my opinion, is that the descendants of Seth are called the sons of God on account of the righteous men and patriarchs who have sprung from him, even down to the Saviour Himself; but that the descendants of Cain are named the seed of men, as having nothing divine in them, on account of the wickedness of their race and the inequality of their nature, being a mixed people, and having stirred the indignation of God. But if it is thought that these refer to angels, we must take them to be those who deal with magic and jugglery, who taught the women the motions of the stars and the knowledge of things celestial, by whose power they conceived the giants as their children, by whom wickedness came to its height on the earth, until God decreed that the whole race of the living should perish in their impiety by the deluge.

Again, during this same time period, Bishop Alexander of Cappadocia acknowledged the Jewish historical account (of Genesis) as pertaining to angels…

Jewish history relates that angels came down to hold intercourse with the daughters of men; for this saying signifies that the nutritive powers of the soul descended from heaven to earth.

– Alexander, Of the Manichaeans, Chapter XXV

The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs is a constituent of the apocryphalscriptures connected with the Bible. It is a pseudepigraphical workcomprising the dying commands of the twelve sons of acob. It is part of the Oskan Armenian Orthodox Bible of 1666. Fragments of similar writings were found at Qumran, but opinions are divided as to whether these are the same texts. The Testaments were written in Hebrew or Greek, and reached their final form in the 2nd century CE. Regarding the events of Genesis 6, we find…

Therefore flee fornication, my children, and command your wives and your daughters that they adorn not their heads and their faces; because every woman who acteth deceitfully in these things hath been reserved to everlasting punishment. For thus they allured the Watchers before the flood; and as these continually beheld them, they fell into desire each of the other, and they conceived the act in their mind, and changed themselves into the shape of men, and appeared to them in their congress with their husbands; and the women, having in their minds desire toward their apparitions, gave birth to giants, for the Watchers appeared to them as reaching even unto heaven.

– The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, 1 – The Testiment of Reuben Concerning Thoughts

The Kebra Nagast, orThe Glory of the Kings, is a 14th-centuryaccount written inGe’ezof the origins of the Solomonic lineof the Emperorsof Ethiopia. The text, in its existing form, is at least 700 years old and is considered by many Ethiopian Christiansand Rastafarito be an inspired and a reliable work. This is what it had to say about the events of Genesis 6…

And straightway God was wroth with them, and He bound them in the terror of SHEÔL until the day of redemption, as the Apostle saith, “He treated His angels with severity. He spared them not, but made them to dwell in a state of judgement, and they were fettered until the Great Day.” The word of God conquered, Who had fashioned ADAM in His likeness (or, form), and those who had reviled and made a laughingstock of ADAM were conquered. And the daughters of CAIN with whom the angels had companied conceived, but they were unable to bring forth their children, and they died. And of the children who were in their wombs some died, and some came forth; having split open the bellies of their mothers they came forth by their navels. And when they were grown up and reached man’s estate they became giants, whose height reached unto the clouds; and for their sakes and the sakes of sinners the wrath of God became quiet, and He said, “My spirit shall only rest on them for one hundred and twenty years, and I will destroy them with the waters of the Flood,” them and all sinners who have not believed the word of God. And to those who believed the word of their fathers, and did His Will, no injury came from the waters of the Flood, but He delivered them, saying, “If thou believest My word thou canst save thyself from the Flood.”

The Kebra Nagast, Chapter 100: Concerning the Angels Who Rebelled

This (proper) angelic view of Genesis 6 was the dominant view of antiquity. You simply cannot ignore this fact. It only began to lose ground in the 3rd Century with Julius Africanus, then later with Augustine. Then much later, Calvin came along and really made the bogus “Sethite Theory” view popular. For a great article on this, please read Douglas Hamp’s blog:

Part Seven: The Sons of Seth and Daughters of Cain Theory Refuted

Again, in short, you have to literally ignore HUGE AMOUNTS of literary and historical data, as well as the countless reports of giants and the subsequent discoveries of their remains, which have been recorded by numerous cultures all around the world in order to believe and teach the completely bogus Sethite Theory. In my view, anyone who teaches that theory is being exceptionally dishonest with the ancient record as well as with their listeners, proving only an agenda that is absolutely contrary to the facts. As a researcher, I cannot do that. If you subscribe to this Sethite doctrine, I would hope you will now seriously reconsider your wholly unsubstantiated position in this regard.

Sincerely,

– Rob Skiba

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Addendum below by James Sundquist. Note the clear unequivocal exegesis that tells us once again, that “The Sons of God” were angels and their progeny the Nephilim:

If angels are just spirits and not physical beings then why does Jude state that they were bound in chains? Doesn’t this require being a physical being? Please tell me how you put a spirit in chains? And note that both Peter and Jude describe them as being bound in chains. Both Peter and Jude told all Christians that the account of Nephilim judgment was already known to all of them, meaning it was common knowledge in the First Century. It was not unknown or concealed or a mystery that needed to be revealed or explained. Both Apostles were simply reminding them and warning them of how seriously God took it. In fact all of the revered church fathers held this view until St. John of Chrysostom (born 347 AD), and Augustine (born 354 AD), such as Clement of Rome (35 AD), and contemporary of the Apostle John), Justin Martyr (2^nd Century), Irenaeus (202 AD), Ambrose (4^th Century), and myriads other Saints. Conclusion: There is no good biblical motivation to change. There are no dead wicked humans in Tartarus. So it would have to be empty if no fallen angels are in it, so there would be no reason even for its existence! The motivation in the Roman Catholic Church to propagate that the Nephilim as humans vs. fallen angel offspring was nefarious, which was antisemitism and Replacement Theology, with John Calvin taking the baton pass from Augustine. From the Book of Genesis on, you have a only two choices: Stand with Israel or Abandon Israel!: “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.” Genesis 12:1-3 So why should we be so shocked? And yet to this day, most Christian Denominations do not take Genesis 6 and 12 literally.

On the Trail of the Nephilim Episode 6 ~ DNA – The Final Results

We will show the entire six part series on the nephilim by L. A. Marzulli this coming year at our church. This is absolutely fascinating information that is available today. Blessings, Pastor Steve <><

Scientists Recreating Days Of The Nephilim With Species Mixing

Scientists Recreating Days Of The Nephilim With Species Mixing

Breaking News Updates – April 21, 2021

BY ADAM ELIYAHU BERKOWITZ/ISRAEL 365 NEWS APRIL 21, 2021

Researchers are injecting human stem cells into monkey embryos and even scientists are disturbed by the ethical implications. For the Biblically minded, the implications are clear.

Researchers are injecting human stem cells into monkey embryos and even scientists are disturbed by the ethical implications. For the Biblically minded, the implications are clear.
MIXING MONKEY AND HUMAN CELLS
Researchers in California published their results in The Cell on Thursday describing how they successfully “created” embryos that were a mixture of monkey and human cells. The abstract, titled “Chimeric contribution of human extended pluripotent stem cells to monkey embryos ex vivo”, explains that the study was focused on creating cells that could be used to produce organs for people who need transplants.
Chimerism is a condition whereby an organism or person has not one but two complete genomes or sets of DNA in their body. The condition is named for the chimera, a fire-breathing creature in Greek mythology usually depicted as a lion, with the head of a goat protruding from its back, and a tail that might end with a snake’s head.
The researchers injected 25 cells known as induced pluripotent stem cells from humans — commonly called iPS cells — into each of 132 macaque monkey blastocytes, an early structure in embryonic development in mammals, and reared the resulting chimeras in culture dishes for up to 20 days. After 13 days, the human cells were still present in about one-third of the chimeras.
In recent years, researchers have been injecting human stem cells into sheep and pig embryos in an effort to grow human organs in animals for the purposes of transplantation. Macaque monkeys are more closely genetically related to humans than are sheep and pigs. The researchers believe they will be able to re-engineer the pathways observed in the monkey-human embryos and apply that knowledge to embryos in sheep and pigs.
The moral implications were evident even to the researchers.
“My first question is: Why?” Kirstin Matthews, a fellow for science and technology at Rice University’s Baker Institute, told NPR. “I think the public is going to be concerned, and I am as well, that we’re just kind of pushing forward with science without having a proper conversation about what we should or should not do.”
“I don’t see this type of research being ethically problematic,” said Insoo Hyun, a bioethicist at Case Western Reserve University and Harvard University. “It’s aimed at lofty humanitarian goals.”
“Our goal is not to generate any new organism, any monster,” Juan Carlos Izpisua Belmonte, a professor in the Gene Expression Laboratory of the Salk Institute for Biological Sciences in La Jolla, Calif. and a co-author of the Cell study, told NPR. “And we are not doing anything like that. We are trying to understand how cells from different organisms communicate with one another.”
The biggest concern is that someone could attempt to bring one of these chimeric embryos to term, inadvertently creating animals that have partly human brains, endowing them with some semblance of human consciousness or human thinking abilities.
Such a “chimeric” half-human creature is actually being considered by scientists in order to study neurological conditions such as Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s diseases.
“Should it be regulated as human because it has a significant proportion of human cells in it? Or should it be regulated just as an animal? Or something else?” Matthews said. “At what point are you taking something and using it for organs when it actually is starting to think and have logic?”
FORBIDDEN BY TORAH LAW
In Torah law, such a creature raises Halachic (Torah law) issues. Human abortion is, of course, forbidden by the Torah though animal abortion is not. The new species created in this research was genetically similar to humans and ending the development of the fetuses may be forbidden.
Rabbi Moshe Avraham Halperin of the Machon Mada’i Technology Al Pi Halacha (the Institute for Science and Technology According to Jewish Law) stated in response to the report that there are clear Torah guidelines for this new technology. Rabbi Halperin referred to the Biblical law concerning mixing of species.
Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee. Leviticus 19:19
“It is forbidden to create a creature that is a mixture of species, but as long as they are not producing a new creature that has a different form, it is permitted,” Rabbi Halperin told Israel365 News.
However, he noted, “Improving species, even the human race, is not forbidden by Jewish law. Changing the color of the skin or hair is permitted, even more so when it concerns removing genetic maladies. But the process certainly needs oversight.”
“PLANET OF THE APES”
Another ethical concern is that the resulting chimera might produce human sperm or eggs. This is also a possibility that researchers would like to investigate as it may be useful for studying human development and infertility.
“Nobody really wants monkeys walking around with human eggs and human sperm inside them,” said Hank Greely, a Stanford University bioethicist who co-wrote an article in the same issue of the journal that critiques the line of research while noting that this particular study was ethically done. “Because if a monkey with human sperm meets a monkey with human eggs, nobody wants a human embryo inside a monkey’s uterus.”
“I don’t think we’re on the edge of beyond the Planet of the Apes. I think rogue scientists are few and far between. But they’re not zero,” Greely said. “So I do think it’s an appropriate time for us to start thinking about, ‘Should we ever let these go beyond a petri dish?’ “
NEPHILIM: SEXUAL SIN OF MIXING SPECIES
Mixing of species is described in the Bible in a manner disturbingly similar to the experiment mixing human genetic material with developing monkey fetuses. In Genesis, ” divine beings” and, later, Nephilim interbred with human women. The result was so abhorrent to God that he severely limited the lifespan of men.
The divine beings saw how beautiful the daughters of men were and took wives from among those that pleased them. Hashem said, “My breath shall not abide in man forever, since he too is flesh; let the days allowed him be one hundred and twenty years.” It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared on earth–when the divine beings cohabited with the daughters of men, who bore them offspring. They were the heroes of old, the men of renown. Genesis 6:2-4
Directly after this, men became evil and God decided to bring a flood to destroy all life. According to Jewish tradition, the animals were killed as they were equally culpable due to being part of man’s sexual sins. It may be that in addition to the sin of bestiality being based on the sexual act, the mixing of the genetic material of two species is also forbidden.
This connection between sexual sin and the mixing of species, animal and man as well as man and near-divine beings, was noted by Rabbi Yosef Berger, rabbi of the Tomb of King David on Mount Zion. Rabbi Berger explained that the verse forbidding mixing breeds of animals directly preceded a section of the Torah dealing with sexual impropriety.
And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. Leviticus 19:20
The rabbi explained the connection between the two distinct commandments.
“This is also expressed in the sin of the generation of Noah, which, according to Jewish tradition was the forbidden mixing of animals and man,” Rabbi Berger told Israel365 News, quoting Genesis.
And Hashem said: ‘I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and creeping thing, and fowl of the air; for it repenteth Me that I have made them.’ Genesis 6:7
“Noah’s generation sinned sexually, but it was expressed in the mixing of species,” he explained.
“This sexual sin would prevent the coming Messianic era as the connection between man and woman is a holy part of the process of bringing geula (redemption). This is the basis of the requirement to be fruitful and multiply: to bring Moshiach (Messiah).”
SPREADING VIRUS
Another serious concern is that using organs from animals for transplants may lead to viruses spreading from animals to humans. The possibility of trans-species viruses was especially concerning as the California researchers cooperated with Chinese researchers from the Kunming University of Science and Technology in Yunnan.
The new study was made possible last year when the Chinese team at Kunming University developed technology that allowed monkey embryos to stay alive and grow outside the body for an extended period of time.
These concerns led to such research combining human stem cells to create animal embryos that are partly human. This moratorium was lifted in 2016.
Dr. Anna Smajdor, lecturer and researcher in biomedical ethics at the University of East Anglia’s Norwich Medical School, said it posed “significant ethical and legal challenges”.
“The scientists behind this research state that these chimeric embryos offer new opportunities, because ‘we are unable to conduct certain types of experiments in humans’,” Smajdor said to the BBC. “But whether these embryos are human or not is open to question.”
Prof. Julian Savulescu, director of the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics and co-director of the Wellcome Centre for Ethics and Humanities, University of Oxford, said the research “opens Pandora’s box to human-nonhuman chimeras”.
“These embryos were destroyed at 20 days of development but it is only a matter of time before human-nonhuman chimeras are successfully developed, perhaps as a source of organs for humans,” Savulescu said to the BBC. “That is one of the long-term goals of this research.”
Originally published at Israel 365 News – reposted with permission.

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The Nephilim

Richard Dewhurst wrote the book: “The Ancient Giants Who Ruled America ~ The Missing Skeletons And The Great Smithsonian Cover-Up.” In this book, he highlights the documentation of nearly two hundred years of American History, and seven to ten foot Pre Columbian Giants/Nephilim bones, that were discovered in the United States. These bones were discovered coast to coast and in every region. After they were sent to the Smithsonian museum, they simply vanished! The following article and series of books by L. A Marzulli further validates the fascinating history of the Giants. He just released a fifth film/DVD (Axis Mundi) that I purchased, and we will show the entire series of five at the church where we serve. In His Service, Pastor Steve <><

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Nephilim In America? This Information Re-Writes History As We Know It!

JUST RELEASED:

On the Trail of the Nephilim Ep 5:

America’s Stonehenge Part 2 The Axis Mundi

In episode #5 of the On the Trail of the Nephilim series, L.A. continues to investigate the mysteries of America’s Stonehenge.

You will see the connection between America’s Stonehenge and Stonehenge thousands of miles away in England. This is deliberate and could only have been accomplished by ‘triangulation in the air.’

But there’s more! New discoveries revealed for the first time may point to America’s Stonehenge being the axis Mundi – the center of the world!

There is a hidden history and L.A. is on the trail to uncover and reveal it! He’s on the trail!

Is there a hidden history? A history so explosive and so radically different than what is being taught in school that, should it become known, could completely rewrite history?

Is this history being deliberately covered up to keep the people – you and me – from finally learning the truth?

L.A. Marzulli has been on a decades-long quest that has taken him around the globe in his quest for answers… and what he has found will tear the cloak of darkness off this hidden history and reveal a past that is almost beyond belief.

– Who were the mysterious moundbuilders that left massive earthworks throughout North America?

– How did ancient hunter gatherers using primitive tools have time to randomly move millions of tons of dirt to these specific locations?

– How did they keep these structures perfectly level over hundreds and thousands of feet?

– Where did they develop the knowledge of advanced geometry and trigonometry that was necessary to design many of these complex earthworks?

– Why can many of these massive monuments only be seen from the air?

– How is it that every Native American tribe states that the mounds were already present when they arrived and that they were built by giants?

– What would cause a device used to detect paranormal activity to suddenly exhibit behavior never observed before?

– Why would Mayan elders visit these sites and perform ancient rituals with crystal skulls?

– What is a 4,000 year old stone inscribed ‘To Baal of the Canaanites’ doing in New England?

– Why is it inscribed using an ancient language peculiar to the Phoenicians?

– Why is the site where it was found aligned with such astronomical precision?

– If the ancient Phoenician people were here, why?

– Where did they develop the ability to navigate the ocean and the knowledge of advanced astronomical alignments without the aid of modern telescopes?

– What is the purpose of the strange ovoid indention on the top of a rock that looks suspiciously like an ancient altar used for human sacrifice?

– How is it that the site known as the American Stonehenge is aligned precisely with its more popular counterpart in England? And with the massive buildings in ancient Baalbek, Lebanon, home of the ancient Phoenicians?

Do you want to stay in the dark about our history, or are you ready for the truth? Buckle up as L.A. Marzulli kicks open the door to the past and reveals the shocking and disturbing truth that has been hidden from you.

The Ancient Giants Who Roamed The Earth

There are several entries on this blog site referring to giants; they are in the category: Old Testament Giants. The first giants in the Bible are mentioned in Genesis 6, and they lived before the flood (antediluvian). They lived all over the world, and they are mentioned in the historical, anthropological, and archaeological annuls of every major civilization on every continent. The second group of Biblical giants came after the flood (post diluvian), and are limited to the Biblical lands in the Middle East – specifically to the land of Canaan/Israel and the surrounding nations. Biblical examples of these giants are Goliath and his brothers, Anak, and King Og of Bashan. Below, King Og is contrasted with an ordinary Israelite. As we convert cubits to feet, the Bible says his bed was over 13 feet long and six feet wide.

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BIGFOOT? HOW ABOUT A FOSSILIZED GIANT FOOT?

News agency has photo of one in bedrock more than 22 inches long

Published: 19 hours ago
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/09/bigfoot-how-about-a-fossilized-giant-foot/#IlZHt0fkUOJrZlXM.99

The Giant Of Kandahar, Afghanistan

Killed in 2002 The Description Is An Exact Match For The Biblical Old Testament Nephilim

There is no absolute proof that this giant was killed in Afghanistan in 2002 except for the testimony of the soldiers. The writers of the story are reliable however, and the soldiers talk about this story nonchalantly as if it were common knowledge. The alleged “cover up” by those in charge, was classic and in total harmony with previous incidents, such as the Smithsonian Institute’s hiding of the bones of giants found throughout North America. [Read Richard Dewhurst’s “The Giants Who Ruled America, The Missing Skeletons And The Smithsonian Cover Up”].

Giants in the Land

Giants in the Land

August 20, 2016

Giants in the Land

Read: Numbers 13:25-14:9

Bible in a Year: Psalms 105-106; 1 Corinthians 3

We should go up and take possession of the land, for we can certainly do it. —Numbers 13:30

After being encamped near Mt. Sinai for two years, the people of Israel were on the verge of entering Canaan—the land God had promised them. God told them to send twelve spies to assess the land and the people living there. When the spies saw the strength of the Canaanites and the size of their cities, ten of them said, “We can’t!” Two said, “We can!”

What made the difference?

When the ten compared the giants with themselves and the giants loomed large, the two—Caleb and Joshua—compared the giants with God, and the giants were cut down to size. “The Lord is with us,” they said. “Do not be afraid of them” (Num. 14:9).

Unbelief never lets us get beyond the difficulties—the impregnable cities and the impossible giants. It preoccupies itself with them, brooding over them, pitting them against mere human resources.

Faith, on the other hand, though it never minimizes the dangers and difficulties of any circumstance, looks away from them to God and counts on His invisible presence and power.

What are your “giants”? A habit you cannot break? A temptation you cannot resist? A difficult marriage? A drug-abusing son or daughter? If we compare ourselves with our difficulties, we will always be overwhelmed. Faith looks away from the greatness of the undertaking to the greatness of an ever-present, all-powerful God. —David Roper

Dear Lord, when the “giants” in my life begin to overwhelm me with fear, help me to trust in You.

When fear knocks, answer it with faith.

More Proof That The Biblical Giants Mentioned In Genesis 6 Once Walked On Our Planet

There are a plethora of historical and archaeological articles on this blog site, as well actual proof that Biblical Giants once walked the earth, under the category “Old Testament Giants.” The following article is written from a secular standpoint, but much to the chagrin of worldly thinkers, it places an awful wrinkle in their evolutionary scheme. Pastor Steve

Key the following link:

10 Alleged Discoveries That Suggest Giants Existed

The Wisconsin Giants Found In 1912, And The Twelve Huge Cyclops Giants Found In Greece And Reported In The National Geographic In 2002

Below is archaeological evidence of the ancient nephilim that once dominated the antediluvian world. There is disagreement about the Cyclops found in Greece. Some feel they may have been elephants, and the tusk cavity was mistaken for an eye. Interestingly however, if Cyclops were truly found, then the logical place would be Greece! Elephants have never been native to Greece as far as I know. (Beware of the comments below. Like the book of Proverbs, the comments contrast the wise man and the fool).

Blessings, Pastor Steve

FORBIDDEN ARCHEOLOGY

Here’s yet another update to “Forbidden Archeology” in America:

A giant mystery: 18 strange giant skeletons found in Wisconsin: Sons of god; Men of renown

Kristan Harris
SouthMilwaukeeNow
Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:30 CST

Here’s one for your “Forbidden Archaeology” file.Scientists are remaining stubbornly silent about a lost race of giants found in burial mounds near Lake Delavan, Wisconsin, in May 1912. The dig site at Lake Delavan was overseen by Beloit College and it included more than 200 effigy mounds that proved to be classic examples of 8th century Woodland Culture. But the enormous size of the skeletons and elongated skulls found in May 1912 did not fit very neatly into anyone’s concept of a textbook standard. They were enormous. These were not average human beings.

Strange Skulls

First reported in the 4 May 1912 issue of the New York Times the 18 skeletons found by the Peterson brothers on Lake Lawn Farm in southwest Wisconsin exhibited several strange and freakish features.

Their heights ranged between 7.6ft and 10 feet and their skulls “presumably those of men, are much larger than the heads of any race which inhabit America to-day.” They tend to have a double row of teeth, 6 fingers, 6 toes and like humans came in differant races. The teeth in the front of the jaw are regular molars. Heads usually found are elongated believed due to longer than normal life span.

” One must wonder how much can they lift if twice the size of a average human today? Are these the Giants the Bible & many other civilizations have in their history and painted on their walls. The Bible in Genisis 6:4 ” There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old men of renown. ” Now this is faulty logic to any scientist out there because I am using religous/cultural history to fill a hole in science.

Over 200 Giant digs have been found in recent years. Giant skeleton finds have not made the local/national news since the 1950’s for the most part. It seems in most peoples opinion do to the fear that people would question evolution . If anything a de-evolution.

In 2002, National Geographic reported a dozen Cyclops skeletons found in Greece that stood 12-15 1/2 Ft tall. That is 3 humans tall. One eye socket. Giants in history are typically cannibalistic in nature. The reason why I am bringing up giants will all tie into politics, and word happenings. Look at a basketball hoop and add 5 feet. That tall. Greek Mythology talks about war with cyclops learning they had to bring down by taking out their legs rendering them slow and helpless. American Giants (Red Hair Giants) where found with egyptian writing on their tombs have been found in multiple locations.

Mystery of The Wisconsin Giants

Was this some sort of prank, a hoax played by local farm boys or a demented taxidermist for fun and the attention of the press? The answer is no.

The Lake Delavan find of May 1912 was only one of dozens and dozens of similar finds that were reported in local newspapers from 1851 forward to the present day. It was not even the first set of giant skeletons found in Wisconsin.

On 10 August 1891, the New York Times reported that scientists from the Smithsonian Institution had discovered several large “pyramidal monuments” on Lake Mills, near Madison, Wisconsin. “Madison was in ancient days the centre of a teeming population numbering not less than 200,000,” the Times said. The excavators found an elaborate system of defensive works which they named Fort Aztalan.

“The celebrated mounds of Ohio and Indiana can bear no comparison, either in size, design or the skill displayed in their construction with these gigantic and mysterious monuments of earth — erected we know not by whom, and for what purpose we can only conjecture,” said the Times.

On 20 December 1897, the Times followed up with a report on three large burial mounds that had been discovered in Maple Creek, Wisconsin. One had recently been opened.

“In it was found the skeleton of a man of gigantic size. The bones measured from head to foot over nine feet and were in a fair state of preservation. The skull was as large as a half bushel measure. Some finely tempered rods of copper and other relics were lying near the bones.”

Giant skulls and skeletons of a race of “Goliaths” have been found on a very regular basis throughout the Midwestern states for more than 100 years. Giants have been found in Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, Ohio, Kentucky and New York, and their burial sites are similar to the well-known mounds of the Mound Builder people.

The spectrum of Mound builder history spans a period of more than 5,000 years (from 3400 BCE to the 16th CE), a period greater than the history of Ancient Egypt and all of its dynasties.

There is a “prevailing scholarly consensus” that we have an adequate historical understanding of the peoples who lived in North America during this period. However, the long record of anomalous finds like those at Lake Delavan suggests otherwise.

The Great Smithsonian Cover-Up

Has there been a giant cover-up? Why aren’t there public displays of gigantic Native American skeletons at natural history museums?

The skeletons of some Mound Builders are certainly on display. There is a wonderful exhibit, for example, at the Aztalan State Park where one may see the skeleton of a “Princess of Aztalan” in the museum.
But the skeletons placed on display are normal-sized, and according to some sources, the skeletons of giants have been covered up.

Specifically, the Smithsonian Institution has been accused of making a deliberate effort to hide the “telling of the bones” and to keep the giant skeletons locked away.

In the words of Vine Deloria, a Native American author and professor of law:

“Modern day archaeology and anthropology have nearly sealed the door on our imaginations, broadly interpreting the North American past as devoid of anything unusual in the way of great cultures characterized by a people of unusual demeanor. The great interloper of ancient burial grounds, the nineteenth century Smithsonian Institution, created a one-way portal, through which uncounted bones have been spirited. This door and the contents of its vault are virtually sealed off to anyone, but government officials. Among these bones may lay answers not even sought by these officials concerning the deep past.”

Two Giant Skeletons Near Potosi, WI

The January 13th, 1870 edition of the Wisconsin Decatur Republican reported that two giant, well-preserved skeletons of an unknown race were discovered near Potosi, WI by workers digging the foundation of a saw mill near the bank of the Mississippi river. One skeleton measured seven-and-a-half feet, the other eight feet. The skulls of each had prominent cheek bones and double rows of teeth. A large collection of arrowheads and “strange toys” were found buried with the remains.

Giant Skeleton Discovered in Maple Creek, WI

On December 20th, 1897 the New York Times reported that three large burial mounds had been discovered near Maple Creek, WI. Upon excavation, a skeleton measuring over nine feet from head to toe was discovered with finely tempered copper rods and other relics.

Giant Skeleton in West Bend, WI

A giant skeleton was unearthed outside of West Bend near Lizard Mound County Park and assembled by local farmers to a height of eight feet. More about this can be found in Washington County Paranormal: A Wisconsin Legend Trip by local author and investigator J. Nathan Couch.

While a normal-sized skeleton of a supposed mound builder (the “Princess of Aztalan”) is on display at the site of several large pyramidal monuments near Madison called Aztalan State Park, the goliath remains of Wisconsin’s giants have vanished along with the hundreds of others discovered throughout the midwest.

Many have accused the Smithsonian Institution of covering up these discoveries, locking the giant skeletons away and depriving the public of their findings.

Here’s a True “Story Behind the Story” – an incredible article that was printed back in 1909 in the Arizona Gazette newspaper. Imagine – a great series of ancient caverns and chambers deep in the Grand Canyon. Indeed – this is another example of Forbidden Archeology and COVERUP!!

” ARIZONA GAZETTE, MONDAY EVENING, APRIL 5, 1909

EXPLORATIONS IN GRAND CANYON
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Mysteries of Immense Rich Cavern Being Brought to Light
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JORDAN IS ENTHUSED
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Remarkable Finds Indicate Ancient People Migrated From Orient
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The latest news of the progress of the explorations of what is now regarded by scientists as not only the oldest archaeological discovery in the United States, but one of the most valuable in the world, which was mentioned some time ago in the Gazette, was brought to the city yesterday by G.E. Kinkaid, the explorer who found the great underground citadel of the Grand Canyon during a trip from Green River, Wyoming, down the Colorado in a wooden boat, to Yuma, several months ago.

According to the story yesterday to the Gazette by Mr. Kinkaid, the archaeologist of the Smithsonian Institute, which is financing the explorations, have made discoveries which almost conclusively prove that the race which inhabited this mysterious cavern, hewn in solid rock by human hands, was of Oriental origin or possibly from Egypt tracing back to Ramses. If their theories are borne out of the translation of the tablets engraved with hieroglyphics, the mystery of the prehistoric peoples of North America, their ancient arts, who they were and whence they came, will be solved. Egypt and the Nile and Arizona and the Colorado will be linked by a historical chain running back to ages which staggers the wildest fancy of the fictionist.

A Thorough Investigation
Under the direction of professor S.A. Jordan, the Smithsonian Institute is now prosecuting the most thorough explorations, which will be continued until the last link in the chain has been forged. Nearly a mile underground, about 1480 feet below the surface, the long main passage has been delved into, to find another mammoth chamber from which radiates scores of passageways, like the spokes of a wheel. Several hundred rooms have been discovered, reached by passageways running from the main passage, one of them having been explored for 854 feet and another 634 feet.

The recent finds include articles which have never been known as native to this country and doubtless they had their origin in the Orient. War weapons, copper instruments sharp edged and hard as steel, indicate the high state of civilization reached by these strange people. So interested have the scientists become that preparations are being made to equip the camp for extensive studies and the force will be increased to thirty or forty persons. Before going further into the cavern, better facilities for lighting have to be installed, for the darkness is dense and impenetrable for the average flash light. In order to avoid being lost, wires are being strung from the entrance to all passageways leading directly to large chambers. How far this cavern extends no one can guess, but it is now the belief of many that what has already been explored is merely the “Barracks”, to use an American term, for the soldiers, and that far into the underworld will be found the main communal dwellings of the families and possibly other shrines. The perfect ventilation of the cavern, the steady drought that blows through, indicates that it has another outlet to the surface.

Mr. Kinkaids Report
Mr. Kinkaid was the first white child born in Idaho and has been an explorer and hunter all his life. Thirty years having been in the service of the Smithsonian Institute. Even briefly recounted, his history sounds fabulous, almost grotesque. “First, I would impress that the cavern is almost inaccessible. The entrance is almost 1486 feet down a shear canyon wall. It is located on government land and no visitor will be allowed there under penalty of trespass. The scientists wish to work unmolested, without fear of the archaeological discoveries being disturbed by curio or relic hunters. A trip there would be fruitless and the visitor would be sent on his way.

The story of how I found the cavern has already been recounted, but in a paragraph: I was journeying down the Colorado river in a boat, alone, looking for mineral. Some forty two miles up the river from El Tovar Crystal canyon, I saw on the east wall, stains in the sedimentary formation about 2000 feet above the river bed. There was no trail to this point, but I finally reached it with great difficulty. Above a shelf, which hid it from view of the river, was the mouth of the cave. There are steps leading from this entrance some thirty yards from what was at the time the cavern was inhabited, the level of the river. When I saw the chisel marks on the wall inside the entrance, I became interested, secured my gun and went in. During that trip I went back several hundred feet along the main passage, till I came to the main crypt in which I discovered the mummies. One of these I stood up and photographed by flashlight. I gathered a number of relics, which I carried down the Colorado to Yuma, from whence I shipped them to Washington with details of the discovery. Following this, the explorations were undertaken”.

The Passages
“The main passageway is about 12 feet wide, narrowing to 9 feet toward the farther end. About 57 feet from the entrance, the first passages branch off to the right and left, along which, on both sides, are a number of rooms about the size of ordinary living rooms of today, though some are 30 to 40 feet square.

These are entered by oval shaped doors and are ventilated by round air spaces through the walls into the passages. The walls are about 3 feet 6 inches in thickness. The passages are chiseled or hewn as straight as could be laid out by any engineer. The ceilings of many of the rooms converge to a center. The side passages near the entrance run at a sharp angle from the main hall, but toward the rear they gradually reach a right angle in direction”.

The Shrine
“Over a hundred feet from the entrance is a cross-hall, several hundred feet long, in which was found the idol, or image, of the peoples god, sitting cross-legged, with a Lotus flower or Lily in each hand. The cast of the face is Oriental, and the carving shows a skillful hand, and the entire is remarkably well preserved, as is everything in this cavern. The idol most resembles Buddha, though the scientists are not certain as to what religious worship it represents. Taking into consideration everything found thus far, it is possible that the worship most resembles the ancient people of Thibet. Surrounding this idol are smaller images, some beautiful in form, other crooked necked and distorted shapes, symbolical, probably, of good and evil. There are two large cacti with protruding arms, one on each side of the dais on which the god squats. All this is carved out of hard rock resembling marble.

In the opposite corner of this cross-hall were found tools of all descriptions, made of copper. This people undoubtedly knew the lost art of hardening this metal, which has been sought by chemists for centuries without result. On a bench running around the workroom was some charcoal and other material probably used in the process. There is also slag and stuff similar to matte, showing that these ancient peoples smelted ores, but so far, no trace of where of how this was done has been discovered, nor the origin of the ore. Among other finds are vases or urns and cups of copper and gold made very artistic in design. The pottery work includes enameled ware and glazed vessels.

Another passageway leads to granaries such as are found in the Oriental temples. They contain seeds of various kinds. One very large storehouse has not been entered, as it is twelve feet high and can be reached only from above. Two copper hooks extend on the edge,(continued on page 7) which indicates that some sort of ladder was attached. These granaries are rounded and the materials of which they are constructed, I think, is a very hard cement. A grey metal is also found in this cavern which puzzles the scientists, for it’s identity has not been established. It resembles platinum. Strewn promiscuously over the floor everywhere are what people call “Cats eyes” or “Tiger eyes”, a yellow stone of no great value. Each one is engraved with a head of a Malay type.”

The Hieroglyphics
“On all the urns, on the walls over the doorways and tablets of stone which were found by the image are mysterious hieroglyphics, the key to which the Smithsonian Institution hopes yet to discover. These writings resemble those found on the rocks about this valley. The engraving on the tablets probably has something to do with the religion of the people, Similar hieroglyphics have been found in the peninsula of Yucatan, but these are not found in the Orient. Some believe that these cave dwellers built the old canals in the Salt River valley. Among the pictorial writings only two animals are found. One is of prehistoric type”.

The Crypt
“The tomb or crypt in which the mummies are found is one of the largest of the chambers, the walls slanting back at an angle of about 35 degrees. One these are tiers of mummies, each one occupying a separate hewn shelf. At the head of each is a small bench on which is found copper cups and pieces of broken swords. Some of the mummies are covered with clay and all are wrapped in a bark fabric. The urns or cups on the lower tiers are crude, while as the higher shelves are reached, the urns are finer in design showing a interstage of civilization. It is worthy of note that all the mummies examined so far have proved to be male, no children or females being buried here. This leads to the belief that this interior section was the warriors barracks,

Among the discoveries no bones of animals have been found, no skins, no clothing nor bedding. Many of the rooms are bare but for the water vessels. One room, about 400 by 700 feet, was probably the main dining hall for cooking utensils are found here. What these people lived on is a problem, though it is presumed that they came south for the winter and farmed in the valleys, going back north in the summer. Upwards of 50,000 people could have lived in the cavern comfortably. One theory is that the present indian tribe found in Arizona are descendants of the serfs or slaves of the people which inhabited the cave. Undoubtedly a good many thousands of years before the Christian era a people lived here which reached a high state of civilization. The chronology of human history is full of gaps. Prof. Jordan is much enthused over the discoveries and believes that the find will prove of incalculable value in archaeological work.

“One thing I have spoken of may be of interest. There is one chamber the passageways to which is not ventilated and when we approach it a deadly, snaky smell struck us. Our lights would not penetrate the gloom and until stronger ones are available, we will not know what the chamber contains. Some say snakes, but others boo-hoo this idea and think that it may contain a deadly gas or chemicals used by the ancients. No sounds are heard, but it smells snaky just the same.

The whole underground institution gives one of shaky nerves the creeps. The gloom is like a weight on ones shoulders and our flashlights and candles only make the darkness blacker.

Imagination can revel in conjectures and ungodly day-dreams back through the ages that have elapsed till the mind reels dizzily in space”.

An Indian Legend
In connection with this story, it is notable that among the Hopis the tradition is told that their ancestors once lived in an underworld in the Grand Canyon! till dissension arose between the good and the bad, the people of one heart, the people of two hearts (Manchoto) who was their chief, counselled them to leave the underworld, but there was no way out. The chief then caused a tree to grow up and pierce the roof of the underworld and then the people of one heart climbed out. They tarried by Palsiaval (Red River), which is the Colorado, and grew grain and corn. They sent out a message to the temple of the sun, asking the blessing of peace, good will and rain for the people of one heart. That messenger never returned but, today at the Hopi village, at sundown can be seen the old men of the tribe out on the housetops gazing towards the sun, looking for the messenger. When he returns, their land and ancient dwelling place will be restored to them. That is the tradition.

Among the engravings of animals in the cave is seen a image of a heart over the spot where it is located. The legend was learned by W.E. Rollins, the artist, during a year spent with the Hopi Indians. There are two theories of the origin of the Egyptians. One is that they came from Asia: another is that the racial cradle was in the upper Nile region. Heeren, an Egyptologist, believed in the Indian origin of the Egyptians. The discoveries in the Grand Canyon may throw further light on human evolution and prehistoric ages.”

End

The Smithsonian Institution would prefer you believe that it was all an Aril Fools joke. It’s their standardized response to all inquiries about this article. Not too many major publishers would promote such an April Fools jokes four days AFTER April Fools day and leave it without explanation!

Here’s an off-hand report of Kincaid’s arrival in Yuma three weeks, 3 days prior to the interview with the reporter.

ARIZONA GAZETTE, FRIDAY EVENING, MARCH 12, 1909

“G.E. Kincaid Reaches Yuma.
G.E. Kincaid of Lewiston, Idaho, arrived in Yuma after a trip from Green River, Wyoming, down the entire course of the Colorado river. He is the second man to make this journey and came alone in a small skiff, stopping at his pleasure to investigate the surrounding country. He left Green River in October, having a small covered boat with oars, and carrying a fine camera, with which he secured over seven hundred views of the river and canyons which are unsurpassed. Mr. Kincaid says that one of the most interesting features of the trip was passing through the sluiceways at Laguna dam. He made this perilous passage with only the loss of an oar. Some interesting archaeological discoveries were unearthed and altogether the trip was of such interest that he will repeat it next winter, in the company of friends.”

END

Fee, Fi, Fo, Fum

Nevada’s mysterious cave of the red-haired giants

by Terrence Aym

Many Native American tribes from the Northeast and Southwest still relate the legends of the red-haired giants and how their ancestors fought terrible, protracted wars against the giants when they first encountered them in North America almost 15,000 years ago.

Others, like the Aztecs and Mayans recorded their encounters with a race of giants to the north when they ventured out on exploratory expeditions.

Who were these red-haired giants that history books have ignored? Their burial sites and remains have been discovered on almost every continent.

In the United States they have been unearthed in Virginia and New York state, Michigan, Illinois and Tennessee, Arizona and Nevada. Early Spanish explorers reported encountering red-haired giants in the mountains of Utah and Arizona as well.

And it’s the state of Nevada that the story of the native Paiute’s wars against the giant red-haired men transformed from a local myth to a scientific reality during 1924 when the Lovelock Caves were excavated.

At one time the Lovelock Cave was known as Horseshoe cave because of its U-shaped interior. The cavern—located about 20 miles south of modern day Lovelock, Nevada, is approximately 40-feet deep and 60-feet wide.

It’s a very old cave that pre-dates humans on this continent. In prehistoric times it lay underneath a giant inland lake called Lahontan that covered much of western Nevada. Geologists have determined the cavern was formed by the lake’s currents and wave action.

The legend

The Paiutes, a Native-American tribe indigenous to parts of Nevada, Utah and Arizona, told early white settlers about their ancestors’ battles with a ferocious race of white, red-haired giants. According to the Paiutes, the giants were already living in the area.

The Paiutes named the giants “Si-Te-Cah” that literally means “tule-eaters.” The tule is a fibrous water plant the giants wove into rafts to escape the Paiutes continuous attacks. They used the rafts to navigate across what remained of Lake Lahontan.

According to the Paiutes, the red-haired giants stood as tall as 12-feet and were a vicious, unapproachable people that killed and ate captured Paiutes as food.

The Paiutes told the early settlers that after many years of warfare, all the tribes in the area finally joined together to rid themselves of the giants.

One day as they chased down the few remaining red-haired enemy, the fleeing giants took refuge in a cave. The tribal warriors demanded their enemy come out and fight, but the giants steadfastly refused to leave their sanctuary.

Frustrated at not defeating their enemy with honor, the tribal chiefs had warriors fill the entrance to the cavern with brush and then set it on fire in a bid to force the giants out of the cave.
The few that did emerge were instantly slain with volleys of arrows. The giants that remained inside the cavern were asphyxiated.

Later, an earthquake rocked the region and the cave entrance collapsed leaving only enough room for bats to enter it and make it their home.

The excavation

Thousands of years later the cave was rediscovered and found to be loaded with bat guano almost 6-feet deep. Decaying bat guano becomes saltpeter, the chief ingredient of gunpowder, and was very valuable.

Therefore, in 1911 a company was created specifically to mine the guano. As the mining operation progressed, skeletons and fossils were found.

The guano was mined for almost 13 years before archaeologists were notified about the findings. Unfortunately, by then many of the artifacts had been accidentally destroyed or simply discarded.

Nevertheless, what the scientific researchers did recover was staggering: over 10,000 artifacts were unearthed including the mummified remains of two red-haired giants—one, a female 6.5-feet tall, the other male, over 8-feet tall.

Many of the artifacts (but not the giants) can be viewed at the small natural history museum located in Winnemucca, Nevada.

Confirmation of the myth

As the excavation of the cave progressed, the archaeologists came to the inescapable conclusion that the Paiutes myth was no myth; it was true.

What led them to this realization was the discovery of many broken arrows that had been shot into the cave and a dark layer of burned material under sections of the overlaying guano.

Among the thousands of artifacts recovered from this site of an unknown people is what some scientists are convinced is a calendar: a donut-shaped stone with exactly 365 notches carved along its outside rim and 52 corresponding notches along the inside.

But that was not to be the final chapter of red-haired giants in Nevada.

In February and June of 1931, two very large skeletons were found in the Humboldt dry lake bed near Lovelock, Nevada.

One of the skeletons measured 8.5-feet tall and was later described as having been wrapped in a gum-covered fabric similar to Egyptian mummies. The other was nearly 10-feet long.

[Nevada Review-Miner newspaper, June 19, 1931.]

INCREDIBLE NEW FIND:

This is absolutely HUGE….and it guts the wimp-out of Dr Dennis Stanford of the Smithsonian who under (doubtless Jewish/Mormon) pressure, and as an obedient fed-government employee, came up with the lame reasoning that “we don’t even know if the Solutreans of the Ice Age (22,000-17,000 BC) left any descendants at all among modern Europeans…..” This is the same group of “scientists” at the Smithsonian who completely covered up the Johnson Canyon mummies found in BORED HOLES in solid sandstone cliffs near Kanab, Utah in the early 70’s!!!

Well, it seems the European “Solutreans” surely still had descendants in 5000 BC in Florida!

Back in 1984, a building contractor working near Windover Pond in the area of Titusville, Florida came upon NEARLY TWO HUNDRED well-preserved ANCIENT skeletons and bodies! They had been buried at the bottom of a pond and the pond bottom had become peat, which as elsewhere in the world preserved their bodies in the most amazing manner.

178 bodies in the peat, dated at around 5000 BC, were WHITE-SKINNED CAUCASIANS, some with intact brains, clothed in very complex woven textiles! This sight is very near Cape Canaveral!

IMAGINE — they sat on the DNA testing of who these mummies actually were until just recently!

Look from the time from 6:20 to the end of this video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2OIfcA6hWw&NR=1

Here is the expert shown on the video.
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Prof Joseph Lorenz

Department of Anthropology

Central Washington University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Washington_University)

(509) 963-3448 (office)

lorenzj@cwu.edu

(Maybe soon he will be selling bags of oranges at the interstate off-ramp, fired for telling the truth that these skeletons are of EUROPEANS FROM 5000 BC ;-) )

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2OIfcA6hWw&NR=1

As Hungarian-American George Kadar, a contributing editor (especially on “ancient white Americans”) to The Barnes Review magazine wrote me (slightly edited):

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Needless to say, the Establishment boys are freaking out and after realizing that further excavation cannot be avoided they are sending in their best-paid prominent character, Glen H. Doran, to do the damage control for them.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/mar/04/scientists-urge-full-scale-excavation-of-vero/

Doran was the one who was (mis)managing the extremely important recoveries at Windover, Florida.

A whopping 168 fully preserved skeletons under water, soft tissue of the brains still in the skulls in most cases, aged 7,000 to 8,000 years!

Doran simply refused to do the DNA tests or to take a stand on the racial characteristics of the Windover group!!!
Furthermore, check out this incredible website: http://www.first-americans.blogspot.com Especially take note of the “Spirit Cave” discoveries made near Fallon, Nevada.

I grew up in Hawthorne, Nevada — and was intimately aware of the “Spirit Cave” discoveries. To the local Mormons in the Fallon Stake in the 60’s and 70’s, this was PROOF of the Book of Mormon — a mummy of an ancient Nephite with fine linen clothing. As a young boy, I accompanied my father and others numerous times to the “Spirit Cave” site. Now, through DNA testing — we find it is NOT a “Nephite” from the Middle East – but is conclusively a European Caucasian.

True

In Central Utah, a gentleman named John Brewer discovered a hidden cave a few decades ago.

This cave contained two mummified bodies in an elaborate sarcophagus. Additionally, there was a stone table covered with engraving tools. Walls of the cave consisted of stone boxes filled with strange engraved metal plates.

Here are just a few pictures of Mr. Brewer’s controversial discoveries. (The official LDS (Mormon) Church believes these artifacts are fraudulent, and has ex-communicated members for becoming involved in such things. However, I personally believe that Mr. Brewer (now deceased) was completely honest and genuine in every way.)

To date, “Johnny Brewer’s Cave” of mystery remains undisturbed and silent, awaiting the spotlight of HONEST researchers and historians.

Drawing of the room, the stone table and male and female mummies

While living in Cedar City, Utah – I, A. True Ott, became intimately acquainted with Mr. Brandt Child of Kanab Utah. On numerous occasions, I accompanied him on “excavation attempts” on his property near Kanab, Utah. I can personally attest to the facts outlined in the following bizarre story printed in The Spectrum Newspaper, April 13, 2010.

Tales of gold haunt lake near Kanab

The Spectrum – St. George, Utah

Date:	Apr 13, 2010
Start Page:	1
Section:	C
Text Word Count:	1164

Document Text

Russell W. Estlack

Montezuma’s Revenge

In the summer of 1914, Freddy Crystal, an excited young man on a bicycle, rode into a small town in Southern Utah. He was waving an old newspaper clipping of Mexican petroglyphs and a map he found in an old book.

It wasn’t long before a crowd gathered around him. He explained that an old medicine man down in Mexico interpreted the symbols for him and directed him to caves in Johnson Canyon.

“In those caves,” the old man said, “you will find Montezuma’s treasure.”

Freddy obtained a grubstake and headed for the canyon. He dug holes and sank exploratory shafts. After eight years of backbreaking work, he uncovered an old tunnel that was sealed with crude bricks and mortar.

When the news of the discovery reached Kanab, the residents of the town went wild.

For the next several weeks, the townspeople worked at clearing the entrance. They broke through and entered a big room that contained bones, a few artifacts and another tunnel.

At the end of the second tunnel they found a room with a sacrificial alter, a handful of pre-Columbian artifacts and a large human skeleton propped up in a sitting position against a wall.

They searched the caves for more than a year, but came up empty-handed.

Freddy left the area and headed to Mexico. Two years later, he returned to Kanab with more detailed maps and information. Treasure fever gripped the town again and a large base camp was established in Johnson Canyon.

After two years of frantic searching there was still no gold.

Freddy spent long hours poring over the maps and one morning he announced he’d made a mistake. They were looking in the wrong place. The treasure was hidden in Angel Canyon, not Johnson Canyon.

With their dreams shattered, the good people of Kanab packed their gear and trudged back to town.

Every now and then, someone would go back to Johnson Canyon to search for the treasure, but as far as most folks in Kane County were concerned, the issue of Montezuma’s gold was as dead as Montezuma himself.

Most of the townspeople gave up the quest for gold, but there were those who believed there might be some truth to Freddy’s story.

Haunted waters

In the spring of 1989, Brandt Child, a long-time resident of Kanab, developed a theory that the skeleton, the altar, the artifacts and the petroglyphs in Johnson Canyon were designed to draw attention away from the real hiding place.

Six miles north of Kanab, in Three Lakes Canyon, Child discovered an Aztec treasure symbol carved in the cliffs above the lake. It was a circle with an arrow pointing down and indicating a water trap.

Despite the rumors that had circulated throughout Southern Utah for many years that the largest of the three lakes was haunted, Child purchased the property.

Tony Thurber, a long-time friend of Child, made an exploratory dive. He discovered a long, narrow opening into a tunnel. Thirty feet into the tunnel, he became disoriented in the heavy turbulence caused by strong currents. After many harrowing moments, he managed to find his way back to the surface.

Thurber agreed to make another dive, but this time he tied a rope around his leg. He became concerned when the line went limp and within minutes he surfaced again.

Child insisted the rope was taut the entire time Thurber was in the water. Thurber refused to dive again.

A team of professional divers made their first dive on June 22, 1989. Their sonar detectors indicated a tunnel 100 feet long, ending in an 80-foot chamber. The sonar also registered a heavy concentration of metal at the end of the tunnel.

Since it was late in the afternoon, an exploratory dive was scheduled for the next morning. That night, one of the divers, Russ, had a strange dream in which he swam alone into the tunnel. He was greeted by an Aztec warrior who hurled a spear at him as he surfaced.

Russ made the first dive of the day in the early morning light. He was 60 feet into the tunnel when he started screaming into his intercom, “Get me out! Get me out! There’s eerie figures all around me. I’m bein’ choked. I can’t breathe, get me out!”

Child and the other divers pulled Russ from the water. He was pale and shaking all over. It took him several hours to calm down.

The divers tried again two weeks later with identical results. Each time a diver went into the lake, they experienced the same choking sensation and saw the ghostly figures. When they came out of the water, they said they would never dive in that lake again.

Child decided to drain the lake but again was thwarted by outside forces. It turned out the lake is the last remaining habitat of the Kanab Golden Ambersnail.

Under the terms of the Endangered Species Act, it’s against the law to molest the mollusk or alter its habitat in any way. Killing one of the endangered snails carries a fine of up to $50,000. To insure compliance with the law, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service posted a warning sign and fenced off the lake.

In December 1991, a gaggle of geese were turned loose on the lake. Agents of the Federal Government accused the geese of eating the snails. They captured the suspects and forced them to cough up the evidence.

The perpetrators of the crime were never caught, and the geese were donated to a local animal sanctuary.

The curse

Residents of Kanab insist the lake is haunted, and they believe the Aztecs placed a curse on it. In 2001, Child was killed near Panguitch when the car he was riding in struck and killed a horse.

The horse seemed to appear out of nowhere and, to this day, no one can explain where the horse came from. His death may have been an accident, or perhaps it was the curse that killed him.

There have been many strange occurrences in Three Lakes Canyon. Witnesses have reported seeing ghostly figures wandering around the lake. Robert Child, the nephew of Brandt Child, reported that about three years ago, a young man climbed to the top of the cliff overlooking the lake. He drilled a large hole down into the treasure chamber and as night approached he went back to his motel room to sleep.

That night the young man suffered a massive heart attack and died. Was it the excitement of finding Montezuma’s gold or was it the curse of the Aztec warriors that ended his life?

Six miles north of Kanab, on Highway 89, in a small lake, the restless spirits of Aztec warriors and 100,000 endangered snails wait for the next brave soul to learn its secrets.

Russell W. Estlack is the author of four books and numerous articles on the American West. He can be contacted at 275-8315 or baron1899@yahoo.com.

122 Comments:

- dave
  
  June 14, 2010 at 12:55 pm
  
  True-
  They say a picture is worth a thousand words. I read this story a couple of years ago and recently revisited it because I wanted to share this legend with a friend. Here is where it gets really interesting and my when my jaw went slack. Take a good and close look at one of our little endangered friends. Now do a little research on Aztec jewelry- particularly a golden necklace. When you find the picture of this necklace, please post the picture- it will undoubtedly add another layer of validity to this man’s testimony. If you are ever in need of a diving buddy, I live in Utah!
  PS- I have seen those sketches of Brewer’s mummies on Steve Quayle’s website. I believe he has them listed under the heading of “Utah Giants”? Any local Native American legends that merit his claims?
  Faithfully yours in the Everliving God and His Son the King of Kings,
  David Crain
  
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  - - atrueott
      
      June 15, 2010 at 2:34 am
      
      Thanks, David. Oh yes, my friend, these pictures are literally the tip of giant iceberg. The “amber snails” are found only in a very few locales in South America, I understand. I was present when Childs attempted to drill into the chamber from the top of the sandstone cliff — the drill rig went into the sandstone like a hot knife through cold butter – until it reached the point near the cavern. At that point, the bit would jump and then break off. This was repeated four times – with the same result.
      Then Childs went to the west side, and began tunneling. Eventually, however, the red sandstone refused to budge — it was like trying to drill and blast a steel safe.
      It was at that point when Childs accepted there was some sort of ancient “force field” applied to the cavern. This is exactly what was experienced in Romania, as explained in the book “Transylvanian Sunrise” – by Radu Cinnamar and Peter Moon — http://www.skybooksusa.com
      
      Will post updates as they occur.
      
      T.O.
      
      Reply
  - - AJ
      
      August 26, 2010 at 10:09 pm
      
      Dave, could you post a link to a webpage with those pictures of Aztec necklaces you’re talking about? I’m very interested to see them and compare with the snails– thanks so much!!!
      
      Reply
      - David Crain
        
        September 5, 2010 at 4:31 am
        
        http://www.angelfire.com/trek/forthetruth/snails.jpg
        
        The similarities are beyond coincedence!
      - M. Palmer Hall
        
        January 17, 2015 at 7:05 am
        
        Wow! The pervasive ignorance and mental simplicity on this page, especially in the comments section, is a real treat to behold. With the enormity of the web you’d think displays of such immense soft-headedness from so many individuals in concert would be more common but this one really breaks the mold! It’s almost like satire but you’re all actually serious.
        
        The obvious Mormon claiming not to be a Mormon, having a convenient and public ‘whoa how’d old Joe know that?’ moment. No normal person (read: not mormon person) is ever impressed with Joe Smith or Mormonism in general. Joe was a MASTER MASON, they have reading/study materials in their lodges that you can’t find in a library, your temple ceremony was copied (almost verbatim) from Masonic ceremony (he was Master Mason before he ever produced the temple rites). To the rest of the world you guys look like what the Scientologists look like to you. “They should know better, its just such obvious BS..” Get on YouTube and search “book of abraham” and watch 1or 2 videos critical of the topic, fix your head.
        
        And the reply OP gave fake-non-mormon’s post about necromancy? Good God man, there is no talking to the dead otherwise getting away with murder just became impossible and last I checked? Very possible. Easy even. And your assertion that the Mormons pay the Smithsonian to keep this hush-hush is so cute but misguided. You know those Mormon fools will actually call the Smithsonian from time to time, asking if they can help them find important dig sites with their Book of Mormon? You know what the Smithsonian says right back? “No, we don’t want your help because the Book of Mormon is not a historical document..” Oh and the link you provide in your OP to the 2002 National Geographic article, you might want to actually go read that article… it isn’t what you claim, at all (elephant-esque fossils found, not giant Cyclops humans you tool). And your picture of the Lovelock giant mummy is actually a picture of Ramses II, reverse image search confirms it (make a note to go for a less famous/recognizable mummy when lying in the future).
        
        Next we have little miss PHD in… “forensic archaeology?” Forensic.. archeology..? Do you know what these two words mean? Your desire to be a certain TV character is painfully transparent, Bones, also I’m pretty sure only Google employees get the @google.com email, you’ve got @gmail.com most likely but who knows really since your writing in general paints you as a completely inept short-bus kid. How do you get a PHD, even the fictitious variety found in your possesion, with a 1st or 2nd grade grasp of our language? I have yet to even meet someone that has English as a second language demonstrate the vast incapability you do at typed communication. Stay in school.
        
        I could go on but this is getting pretty long so I just want to finish with a thank you. My message might sound angry or hostile but you’ve all made my morning, God you’re all hilarious and I can’t believe no one’s really called you out on it until now.
  - - Russell Estlack
      
      August 28, 2010 at 11:06 am
      
      Do you know where the artifacts from Johnson canyon are now? Are the artifacts in the photos on this web page the artifacts from the cave? How can I contact the person who now has these artifacts?
      
      Please call me at (435) 275-8315.
      
      Reply
  - - MRSWHOUSTON
      
      December 13, 2011 at 5:12 am
      
      IM NOT RACIST BUT WHY DO WHITE PEOPLE ALWAYS TRY TO THROW THEM SELVES INTO THE WORLD THAT MAYANS AND AZTEKS WERE LIVING IN B4 THEY GOT HERE THAT I HATE SO MUCH TALKING ABOUT IT WAS A EUROPEAN BODY FROM B.C FUCK YALL BASTARD DAMN ALWAYS TRYING TO SAY OH THE WHITES WERE HERE B4 HOW IS WE WERE CORRECTION ALREADY BUILT TEMPLES THAT YOU BASTARD CAMEE AND TRIED TO TAKE OVER ..
      
      Reply
      - Peter T. Podunk
        
        January 29, 2012 at 11:41 pm
        
        Chill Dude!!!
      - bill
        
        February 29, 2012 at 6:41 am
        
        nigger
      - bill
        
        February 29, 2012 at 6:45 am
        
        Sorry, that was immature. And please, work on your grammar
      - Daud
        
        January 1, 2013 at 7:55 am
        
        I find it amazing that europeans are now trying to claim that which was already here as always. I believe that the 200 bodies found were Natives of this land which were never white.
      - Liza
        
        June 4, 2013 at 6:21 pm
        
        So ignorant . The thrueth is there a lot we have yet to discover we are still in our infancy in that dept.
        I take what these archeologist say with a grain of salt . I believe there is a cover up and there are very ancient things still buried and sometimes hidden from the masses
      - Phygmint
        
        August 9, 2013 at 11:02 am
        
        These were redheads. I don’t know a lot of darker skinned people who have red hair. And they’ve been found all over the world, which makes it even more curious.
        
        But apart from that, I think the point here is that stuff is being covered up. This isn’t a conspiracy to minimize dark-skinned people, it’s an effort to ask “What the heck were these people doing here and why isn’t anyone being given the chance to know about it?” We don’t know a lot about the migration of people in North America. The fact that the indigenous people that we know of ARE darker skinned just makes this more of a mystery.
        
        Those who are looking for the truth aren’t interested in the color of skin, they’re interested in why stuff goes into the Smithsonian and never comes out.
      - Truth be known
        
        October 4, 2013 at 5:31 pm
        
        Aztecs, Incas, Mayans all show up in a fairly recent time. They took over others lives,buildings and land, that where there before them. (Damn Bas-turds!) Even the most famous tribe, the Souix took over the Black Hills and called it ‘our ancient land’,’sacred ancestral’ when they in fact came from east of the Mississippi. The NAVAJO NAZIS practiced genocide against the Anasazi (look up Sacred Ridge,Durango,Colorado) even though the Navajo word Anasazi means (Anaa–enemy, Sazi–ancestor) the Nazi Navajo have total controll of the bones. All Dark Hair Indians are Asian transplants. The true ‘natives’ are Mastadons,Horses, and Camels. Princess Winnemucca in her 1883 book ‘Life among the Paiutes’ wrote that there was a Red Hair tribe living in Nevada before her Nazi Paiute tribe migrated there. She wrote about her tribe practicing genocide against that Red Hair tribe of over 2,000 men,women and children because they were not like them.That is extreme racism. She wrote about her tribe saving the Red Hair and making a dress out of it. (Sounds a lot like the Nazis)
        The Nazis were extreme nationalist who believed in the superiority of their race. They believed in a totalitarian government, where all opposition is ruthlessly put down. Maybe they got their ideas from American Indians.
        Thanks to modern tribes and congress ancient bones can not be tested for DNA. To think every bone in the ground is your ancestor is strange to me.The truth may never be known. The Nazis may win.
      - Truth be known
        
        October 4, 2013 at 5:59 pm
        
        In modern times when you see a red haired person they get your attention. Why? Because it is a rare sight. Something like 3% of the earths population has the gift of red hair. 3% out 7 billion people. The majority from North America, Northern Europe and Northern Asia. Even among White Europeans Red Hair is Rare. I would like to know what% of pure blood Asian/American/Indians from South America to Alaska have Red Hair? Or are taller than 5’8
      - asaruludu
        
        January 4, 2014 at 11:26 am
        
        yet there are a lot of black advocates that say that OLMEC WERE BLACK
      - Truth be known
        
        January 18, 2014 at 10:12 pm
        
        There are A LOT of RACIST BLACK ADVOCATES that say the Greeks were black, the Romans were black, the Egyptians were black, BLA,BLA,BLA,BLA,BLA. If someone built it they were black. But its funny how little was built in Black Sub Sahara Africa. Or how little was built between north Asia and middle USA. The East coast having the oldest and most building. (Rock shelters in Penn, Ny,Mass,Platform mounds around mouth of Mississippi then moving north,Windover Bog People) Knowing is half the battle,knowledge is being held hostage in boxes at Florida State U. and good ole D.C.
      - Truth be known
        
        January 18, 2014 at 10:19 pm
        
        I also find it funny that most of those Racist Black Advocates are 15% – 65% white.
      - atrueott
        
        January 19, 2014 at 6:58 am
        
        Once you go black, you never go back.
        LOL
      - Rose
        
        June 8, 2014 at 6:13 am
        
        Creationist “Myths” of red headed giants existing among many other races are widespread
        
        http://www.beforeus.com/email/article/article6_The_Lost_World_of_Giants.html
      - william danials
        
        July 31, 2014 at 2:26 am
        
        White Black Yellow or Green . Are the same no matter what Continent they came from. all prayed on the weak and took their lands its still going on in the 3rd world. but every one talks about the whites Europeans for some reason.
        
        For what reason I don’t know but white Europeans were just more advanced with there weapons and ability’s back in the day.
  - - joseph
      
      November 28, 2014 at 2:04 pm
      
      I would like to introduce the idea that ‘giants are giant’ but ‘men of renown are like Einstein or Tesla, and no taller than any other man’. The Nephilim are not ‘giants’ nor are they ‘men of renown’. By what the Nephilim did came both sets, ie: like the twin brothers of Isaac were Jacob and Esau….born at the same time but truly opposite in nature and appearance. Nephilim ‘mated’ by dna research. They were here after the flood of Noah and are still here today. Why is the world so technological…more so than spiritual? They are a technological race and hide well in technological societies, not primitive societies. In primitive societies, such as the cowboy days of old America, these Nephilim would have stuck out like a sore thumb…But, give them a techie society and they blend right in….America has been a good cover for them…and Europe too.
      
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- david crain
  
  June 25, 2010 at 8:49 am
  
  I will get a copy of the book-sounds fascinating. So, Edgar C. was right! When he envisioned a hall of records under a sphinx- right critter, wrong country?
  The Aztec necklace is said to reside at the Dumbarton Oaks Research Library and Collection in Washington DC. Thanks for the recent show on the mysterious state of Utah!
  
  Respectfully,
  
  David
  
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- Doug Millar
  
  July 5, 2010 at 1:47 am
  
  July 4, 2010
  
  Hi True!
  
  Just discovered this story. It sure is fascinating.
  
  Thx,
  Doug
  
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- yenogloshi
  
  July 23, 2010 at 12:37 pm
  
  Howdy all. On seeing the recent interest in teh Montezuma’s Treasure, and Brandt Child, I thought I would comment.
  I was raised in Kanab, surrounded by all the stories and legends of Montezuma’s Gold. I can tell you of at least 10 families who seriously claim they “Know where the gold is, but won’t dig it up because they would have to pay taxes on it.” Really? the 10-25% finders fee for ancient treasure isn’t enough for you, considering it would be in teh tens of millions?.
  Second, although most of the stories above are true, the dive stories are not. I have personally spoken to two of the divers Mr. Child’s hired. There is no tunnel. There are two old cars at the bottom, however.
  
  Third, I know the people who did the drilling. I have spoken to them many times. They never broke a drill bit. And they didn’t “Come up with bits of parchment, papyrus and gold” attached to a drill bit, either.
  
  Last, as someone who would know, the only person who died of a heart attack that fits the description of the young man in Robert Child’s story was a tourist….who hit his head on teh bottom of a hotel pool while diving in. And he was with a tour group. If you have doubts, ask the local morticians. They are the ONLY mortuary in teh county, and have to transport ALL Medical Examiner cases to SLC. Guess what? They have NEVER transported anyone like that. Call em. Mosdell Mortuary, Kanab, Utah.
  
  Oh, yes. Just so you know. True or not, I still like the mystery. I have spent several days over the years diging sand out small tunnels in the Johnson Canyon site. And I will go back out and do so again. I don’t care if I ever find anything, I just like the exploration.
  
  Enjoy!!
  
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  - - Robert Shrewsbury
      
      July 1, 2011 at 10:01 am
      
      The man who had a heart attack was a Well Driller by the name of Wayne Cox who lived in Arizona. The story of a piece of gold on the drill bit was what Wayne Cox found 40 years earlier while exploring for gold in another place. Brandt Child just borrowed it for his story.
      
      I grew up in Kanab, Utah and Wayne Cox is my Uncle! Brandt’s B.S. is not true when he told me how the old driller died and before he died he was witness to the gold artifacts! What Brandt did not know was while Uncle Wayne was working on the site I got the real truth from him. I swam in that Lake a lot when I was a child, I even went too deep one time and encountered some of those large Cat fish at the low part, it sure frightened me and I swam to the surface as fast as I could. I still own property a half a mile South from Brandt Child’s place known as “The Sand Caves”.
      
      One time Brandt Child asked me to do a story on his place (for the paper) and to indicate that the Aztec treasure was there, so he could get a better price from it. I of course declined!
      
      Another thing is that (unknown to Brandt) Ross W LeBaron JR and some of his children (scuba divers) entered the Lake (at night with a large search light) and went down that tunnel and cleaned out some moss and that is all they found.
      
      Also I am a professional in the field of detection and I did a thorough scan for Brandt when he was alive and believe me there in nothing but sand stone, water, fish, snails and old car bodies in that Lake! my web page is http://www.terrafirmaassayers.com
      Sincerely, Robert
      
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      - Robert Shrewsbury
        
        July 19, 2012 at 3:09 am
        
        I am Robert and am making a comment on my own comment. As some of you know my business is detecting underground or underwater values for people. Over the years I have improved my methods a lot. Some types of soil has been difficult to penetrate with my equipment and so I finally decided to re-check the “Three Lake” place owned by Child’s and I did truly get a reading, but it is not Aztec, but Egyptian!
        
        Sincerely, Robert
  - - Kieth Merrill
      
      March 7, 2014 at 10:25 pm
      
      Yenogloshi,
      I interviewed Brant Childs years ago with an interest in doing a documentary fllm about the lost Montezuma treasure. Do you remember the names of the divers you interviewed and would you mind sharing trhe information with me?
      Kieth Merrill
      kwmerrill@gmail.com
      
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      - TJ
        
        July 11, 2014 at 10:59 am
        
        I do not understand why the person who wrote this post had to blame Jews/Mormons for keeping the Smithsonian quiet. Those two religions do not have any power over the Smithsonian. It is a ridiculous statement and accusation.
        If there is proof of this then present the proof.
      - atrueott
        
        July 11, 2014 at 9:55 pm
        
        Think not? Just look at who established the “Smithsonian”, and more importantly who has funded it from its inception. FOLLOW THE MONEY, and perhaps you will find your answer.
        
        The New Yorker magazine exposed just one such incident with the billionaire Koch family – buying off the Smithsonian’s exhibit process.
        
        Stay tuned – I will be exposing a huge Smithsonian archeological coverup that will make your head spin!!! Who benefits from keeping the lid on such amazing discoveries? The Mormon Church, for one – when the discovery totally disproves Joe Smith’s Book of Mormon. Who loses?? The honest people of the world. There is simply NO REASON to keep archeological discoveries hidden and under cover of darkness.
        
        The fact is, the Smithsonian has kept the lid on this story since 1910. WHY???

- AJ
  
  August 27, 2010 at 10:16 pm
  
  Hi yenogloshi,
  
  I am interested in investigating this intriguing mystery further and would love to talk with you! If you’d be willing, please shoot me an email at avrilj21@aol.com.
  
  Thanks so much!
  ~Avril
  
  Reply

- Dustin
  
  October 5, 2010 at 10:14 am
  
  I would like any info available. I and a group of my friends having diving gear and would like to dive at the site. I cant find much info on the actual location of the lakes so please let me know.
  
  Reply
  - - atrueott
      
      October 6, 2010 at 11:21 am
      
      The lake is directly to the west of U.S. highway 89 – about ten miles north of Kanab, Utah. It is called 3 lakes – and the site in question is the southernmost lake. Keep in mind that this is fenced and private property — and you will need permission to dive there.
      
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  - - Robert Shrewsbury
      
      December 9, 2012 at 3:12 am
      
      Lon Child owner of the property now is reached at 801-509-4484
      Lake is Lat 37° 7’56.26″N Long 112°33’58.64″W
      
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- Constantin
  
  January 19, 2011 at 9:31 pm
  
  Hi all
  
  I am romanian and i live 20 km near Sinaia , close to the romanian Sfinx.
  I’m not aware of any chamber under the Sfinx but i know that in the mountains some times strange things happens. We have a road that who climb and if you shut down the engine of the car and release the breaks the car will climb by it self whit all the people inside. That is valid for the big trucks also.
  In Bucegi mountains people disapear sometimes whitout a trace, many people says that we have a time portal or a interdimensional traveling portal, which is active…but cannot be located . Is possible to be mobile and changing the location
  
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  - - atrueott
      
      January 20, 2011 at 12:38 pm
      
      I would highly recommend contacting Mr. Peter Moon, who distributes the book, “Transylvanian Sunrise”. http://www.skybooksusa.com/books/pmoon.htm will get you there. The book discusses many similar anomalies. Please let us know what you think of it, if you haven’t read it already!!!!!
      Also, the non-fiction book “Hunt for the Skinwalker” by Kelleher can also be purchased at http://www.amazon.com This is an incredible read, and I personally know this to be factual in the extreme. Thanks, Constantin, for joining the blog!!
      
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      - Constantin
        
        January 22, 2011 at 2:30 am
        
        I find your blog very interesting. I will try to contact Mrs. Peter Moon , i want people to know what is realy happening because many officials try to hide the true.
        Thanks for your support.
        I haven’t red the Transilvanian sunrise , only a brief description .

- Andrea Psoras
  
  February 22, 2011 at 12:51 am
  
  HI True, the drawings of the room,the female and male individuals look very Norse. and their caucasian origins, their red hair and their size again, sound like they’re norse. there were norse/viking settlements/encampments found as far inland as north central US and there on the border with canada, and these were perhaps 1000 ad or so. but the dragon heads look again,norse and so do the people. the norse had a very fierce reputation while marauding through northern europe including the early regions now in germany and norther france, etc. very violent, and tribal with a main leader, etc. they only got traction after Rome was weak and dissipated and spread too thin.
  
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- Kim
  
  February 27, 2011 at 8:04 am
  
  Hi True, My friend turned me on to your site, very intriguing to say the least. Glad to have found you…
  
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- david crain
  
  May 6, 2011 at 9:47 am
  
  More proof of American Indian contact with giants- right under our noses……
  If you have ever watched an old western movie, then you probably remember the way introductions were done between white man and red man. Each would raise their hand and say, “HOW!” On the surface, this simply looks like a customary, “HI.” However, the history behind this gesture is much deeper. The indians were actually making sure that the white man had 5 fingers and not 6!
  
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  - - Firedrake
      
      March 23, 2013 at 11:21 am
      
      Very true David. if you research the old newspaper articles you wil find that the “Giants” had some very distinguishing charecterististics including six fingers an/or toes, double dentition, and sloping foreheads. It seems to me that generally, the older the skeletons, the larger they seem to be.
      Josh Reeves at theglobalreality.com has been doing research into the Rockwall in Rockwall TX and has made some very interesting discoveries. He has also just put out a movie dealing with this huge 20 mile structure (buried 70 feet deep according to the landsat images.) Josh believes – with research to back it up – that these giants were the Amorites that came from the middle east. There is a 22 minute teaser to the film at his website that is very intrigueing and woth a look.
      I find this subject fascinating, but apparently the Smithsonian has been carting off the evidence of these finds and hiding it away or dumping the artifacts in the ocean. They have stolen the heritage of the people of the Untied States and destroyed it !
      One more thing, watch out for the photoshopped fakes that are making the rounds online. There is an active dis-information campaign in progress to discredit any existance of a giant race on this planet.
      Happy researching 🙂
      
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- J. edward
  
  May 17, 2011 at 11:10 pm
  
  You’re a complete idiot
  
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  - - zora
      
      October 25, 2011 at 10:30 pm
      
      why J. edward? 😉
      
      I found just ‘by chance’ this story.
      I am just wondering..even if all is true…it is strange that this red hair-giants were concored by spanish ‘liliputians’..
      and where are now all these ppl from the past with ‘magic powers’..even those today..so what?
      they all have to die one day…
      or maybe not?
      
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  - - david crain
      
      January 30, 2013 at 12:28 pm
      
      Be cautious when name calling- some of us have the Holy Spirit as our pilots. By the way, check out the video Chuck Missler has done on the Nephilim. You will see that he concurs with my statements above.
      
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      - Robert Shrewsbury
        
        January 30, 2013 at 5:43 pm
        
        I have read this many times now, but it is still interesting!
        
        I have detected some 15 of these “Egyptian” finds in Southern Utah. Maybe some day I can dig and take a look!
        
        Robert
      - Robert Shrewsbury
        
        January 30, 2013 at 7:19 pm
        
        Robert Shrewsbury 435-287-8399
        
        There are a lot of very interesting Archeological sites in Utah and Arizona that are clearly Egyptian type, but there are also a lot of laws that prohibit excavation unless you are willing to get an Attorney and jump through a maze of legal hoops. Besides I suspect that there is a an upper level consensus in the Government to suppress the truth from the ancient past.
        
        I had a Forensic done on a parchment that came out of Jonson Canyon (8 miles from Kanab, Ut) and it turned out to be Egyptian type and very old.
        
        I know a fellow that let me detect on his property, because he had found unusual items. I detected such a large volume of metal there that it staggers the mind, but he is fearful that if the State knew that they would interfere with his work there and he may lose some of his property, because it may become a protected area.
        
        I suggested to him that he get a good Attorney and find out the parameters for sure.
        
        True, can you please give me a call at 435-287-8399
        
        Sincerely, Robert
      - A.S. Judkins
        
        April 24, 2013 at 2:05 pm
        
        Robert Shrewsbury, will you contact me regarding the Egyptian finds at manvsarchaeolgoy@gmail.com

- Asa
  
  July 8, 2011 at 7:35 am
  
  You aren’t quite the sharpest tool in the shed either there, J. edward.
  
  Reply

- SEAN C ALLY
  
  October 24, 2011 at 8:37 pm
  
  HEY TRUE; this story reminds me of the excavation at RockWall,Texas of a rock wall .The community that was namesd for the rockWall that forms a retangle fort of ten miles square. 1890 newpaper articles record accounts of giant skulls and giat sized axe. Chambers built along the RockWall which when part of it(the wall ) was excavated showed the wall to be 20-30 feet under the surface earth and 50 feet tall. Built upon a layer of ash,several inches thick .That was found to be part of a consistant layer tied to that period in geoligical time. the local scientists estimated the site and the intact sea life specimins to be 10,000-12,000 years old.This was another place where several artifact of unknown language glyphs were confiscated and the site was closed down by the town official without explaination. no further permits were issued and seems like an open secret that most of the inhabitants of RockWall are unaware of. except the old timers.Have you heard of this ? Ironic or not- This was the same place that was the site of the first “X-Files ” movie that had a theme aliens unearthed in a chamber -labyrinth by accident during some utility co.excavation project.-Please look into this inthe way that only you can-thanks for all the past stories and info.
  
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  - - A.S. Judkins
      
      April 24, 2013 at 2:03 pm
      
      http://manvsarchaeology.wordpress.com/2012/04/08/the-rock-wall-phenomenon/
      
      Reply

- Quinda
  
  January 27, 2012 at 6:18 am
  
  Here’s another discussion on Brewers Cave :
  
  http://www.ancientlosttreasures.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=8
  
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- Chuck
  
  March 12, 2012 at 3:29 am
  
  Hey, has any one ever though of sending a robotic diver down to explor? Like the ones they use in shipwrecks! ? Let me know…thanks
  
  Reply
  - - Chuck
      
      March 12, 2012 at 3:31 am
      
      I’m talking about the Aztec treasure just to clarify.
      
      Reply

- vick wylder
  
  May 19, 2012 at 7:42 am
  
  http://www.aztecs.org.uk/popups/2547.html
  
  a link to the Aztec Snail Necklace……
  
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- vick wylder
  
  May 19, 2012 at 7:49 am
  
  http://www.viewzone.com/sender.html
  
  Above link to Rockwall, Texas Supposed Ancient Fortress
  …..Careful Not to Read Too Much into What Could be
  Natural Geological Forces like Devil’s Postspile in California.
  
  However, The Incan Ruins Leave us Zero Doubt of Oddities
  
  http://sites.matrix.msu.edu/pseudoarchaeology/2010/10/12/sacsahuaman/
  
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  - - dave
      
      July 24, 2012 at 6:24 am
      
      Thanks for posting a link that is not defunct!
      
      Reply
      - True
        
        July 26, 2012 at 7:01 am
        
        Seems many links go “defunct” shortly after I write about them. LOL.
  - - A.S. Judkins
      
      April 24, 2013 at 2:02 pm
      
      http://manvsarchaeology.wordpress.com/2012/04/08/the-rock-wall-phenomenon/
      
      Reply

- David Allen
  
  August 16, 2012 at 9:04 pm
  
  FYI – I went to a link (Euopean Sleletons 5000 Years old) posted above and got this on Youtube. ( not surprised ) Much coverup goes on and on and on
  “DNA of The Florida Windover…”
  This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated due to multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement from claimant:
  •The Solstice Project
  
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- s.mayer
  
  November 12, 2012 at 9:46 pm
  
  What my Mother always said about the ancients migrating here from the Orient was true all along!
  
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- tlboehm
  
  November 21, 2012 at 5:20 am
  
  Fascinating. I stumbled upon this article while doing some research for a fiction novel I am writing. As an amateur genealogist, I’ve been studying my families for a couple of years including one branch of Norwegian Homesteaders. I recently took a DNA test and found that along with British Isles and Scandinavian DNA I also carry Finnish/Volga/Ural and Persian/Turkish/Caucasus DNA which was a surprise. I’ve been studying the migrations of people groups and am fascinated by the migrations of Vikings and Pre Viking types. I see evidence in both mythologies of certain groups as well as more scientific findings that corroborate Viking settlements and it seems plausible from my limited studies that Vikings could have had more than a transient presence in the Americas. While it is unsettling to some to say it – we pretty much all came from somewhere else – few of us are truly indigenous people.
  
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  - - atrueott
      
      November 22, 2012 at 12:31 am
      
      The writing of Joseph of Arimathea documents the Six Kings (Roman numeral VI-Kings) movement from Palestine to the “Lands Northward”. These are the ancestors of the Danes (the King Dan) of Denmark (Dan’s Mark) the Fins of Finland, and the Swedes and Swiss. This is the TRUE “Israel”. The imposters calling themselves “jews” today are in reality the descendants of Cain and Esau – aka “Edomites”. This is WHY they control the world’s archeology findings and keep them “forbidden”.
      
      All a matter of control.
      
      Best of luck with your book.
      
      Thanks for posting.
      
      T
      
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  - - Brian Marcks
      
      October 15, 2013 at 4:00 pm
      
      Interesting genealogy… my closest male relative is R1a1a Y DNA from northeastern Germany by the Baltic Sea. In comparing others with this type I find my closest match is from the Kassan area along the Volga R in Russia (Tartarstan), with only 5 markers difference out of 67 markers. I think my ancestor may have come up the Volga R with Vikings to the Baltic about 1000 years ago. I see you have DNA ancestor types from the Volga R. also.
      
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- Jennifer
  
  December 7, 2012 at 11:01 am
  
  Come on, let’s leave the name calling out of it. Not all Jewish people do bad things, kay. That’s like saying that all Mormons are secretly marrying several people at once even the Mormons who say they are married to only one person. I’m not saying don’t bring up the subject, just be thoughtful in regards to generalizations.
  
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  - - atrueott
      
      December 9, 2012 at 12:15 am
      
      Nobody’s “name calling” – just accurately identifying. Esau’s (remember him, the brother of Jacob) descendants became known as “Edom” (red) and thus “Edomites”. They have vengeance and terror in their very DNA. They are the authors of “Red” (Edom) Communism, and most every other unholy and impure activity including porn and sex slavery. Of course not all “Edomites” engage in this, but when you dig deep and find who is in control – these parasites crawl out from the rock EVERY TIME.
      
      And don’t forget Jesus – he didn’t mince words in identifying these members of the “Synagogue of Satan”.
      
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      - Robert Shrewsbury
        
        December 9, 2012 at 2:30 am
        
        Oh yeah I keep getting this one, so I have read it a few times now!
      - Leah
        
        November 6, 2014 at 8:25 pm
        
        Jesus was Jewish. How can one be a Christian and hate the Jewish people? Jesus and almost all of his first followers were Jewish.
      - atrueott
        
        November 7, 2014 at 8:01 pm
        
        See, that’s the big misconception. It is true that Christ was born/raised in the Hebrew RELIGION, not the modern “jewish” bloodline – which is Khazar from Eastern Europe – aka Gog and Magog in the biblical bloodline. The Khazars embraced judaism in the 7th century, and then altered it with their earlier pagan ritual customs.
  - - Guy Gordon Young
      
      July 2, 2013 at 6:39 pm
      
      I’m with Jennifer about the name calling. Now a few will be calling me names. I have heard them all. Don’t care. I new johnny brewer not a lot but I knew him. He sold a rock tablit to my best friend with all kinds of old old writing on it for 2,500.$ It was fake from the word go. He sold one to the goverment trapper, it to was fake also. Certen people found all of his gear for making these things in his house. Guy Gordon Young Ephraim Utan
      
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- lexx69
  
  February 9, 2013 at 5:44 am
  
  I have a phd,in forensic archaeology,I stumbled on2 ur site. I have discov ered Authentic ancientg egyptian symbols of the eternity sign & eye of Horus,its a mark of the ‘dead’,to live eternaly! colorado springs.
  also iv been on Coast 2 Coast about a city of giants iv discovered here thats crushed under flood debries!
  contact me @ mail if u wish. lexx6669@google.com
  if u need an archaeologist contact me,I will work for gas & lodeging!
  
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  - - atrueott
      
      February 9, 2013 at 1:51 pm
      
      That is very interesting! I assume you’re referring to Colorado Springs? The giant skeleton I personally discovered, with two sets of teeth, six fingers, six toes, was near the Utah/Colorado border.
      
      We need to meet – along with Mr. Shrewsberry.
      
      T
      
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  - - A.S. Judkins
      
      April 24, 2013 at 1:55 pm
      
      Please contact me at manvsarchaeology@gmail.com about this.
      
      Reply

- Dr,shandon
  
  February 9, 2013 at 6:56 pm
  
  ur asumption is correct,colorado spings,
  i was on coast 2 coast about the unusualy large stone carved skull thativ left inseti now for almost 25 yrs,before I got my phd.
  I tried 2 send pictures but there site required a fee,first.
  
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- Dr,shandon
  
  February 9, 2013 at 7:03 pm
  
  you know that an sister of one of the Cleopatra’s,left Egypt,and settled a land she called; Scootia.
  as in Scot land,its been spelled ,Scootland. the o sounds like the whole , oh,,sound.
  i forget the meaning .I think it was freedom.
  there was striff between the two princesses,and one took her group & left.
  theres,a book w/the title about it.
  
  Reply
  - - atrueott
      
      February 11, 2013 at 9:09 am
      
      Hi Doc:
      
      I tried e-mailing you, but it was returned. We do need to talk privately.
      
      T
      
      Reply
      - docBonez
        
        February 12, 2013 at 7:22 pm
        
        Sorry about returned mail!
        I did get a notice,that conversations were up & running!
        you tried lexx6669@ google? then try gmail or lastly mail.com

- Jim
  
  February 12, 2013 at 3:36 pm
  
  It would be wonderful if your webpage would fit within the window. I need to scroll left and right as I read. If I shrink the text down so I can hardly read it, I can get it to fit, but then it’s useless. And I have good vision! It is rare that I find a website where this happens. I don’t know why this happens, but a website specialist shouldn’t have a problem changing it so one could make the text larger and it will still fit within the window.
  
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  - - atrueott
      
      February 12, 2013 at 4:11 pm
      
      It fits on all my computers, as well as the library’s public ones. Methinks it could be in your browser settings, perhaps?
      T
      
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- docBonez
  
  February 12, 2013 at 7:28 pm
  
  Iv been A web developer,just built more pages in the last few days,im looking @ this screan w/no problem right now! on a cell phone.
  I know for a fact it is a software issue somewhere,@ some end,I would think the P.C.device u ar on. excuse the pun,,u need more Adobe’, its always nice to have Netscape,Nvidia, to see full pages! but adobe’ is the stuff.
  
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- misti
  
  February 25, 2013 at 2:12 am
  
  WOW!
  I am a 38 year old woman, I have a rather large bone structure for a woman am 5′ 9″, red hair,had a foot with six toes on it that was removed at 5 months of age, born and raised in Utah. This story of what the giants look like gave me chills. Could there possibly be descendants of them?
  
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  - - Jillian
      
      July 20, 2014 at 6:33 am
      
      This is so interesting! I live in Iceland and just recently have had conversations regarding the fact that there are quite a few very large, very strong men and women is this country. Iceland has won the ‘strongest man’ contests around the world for many years now and with their Viking heritage this comes as no surprise. Related to that, there is a well known saga about a man whose father was half giant and half troll and his mother was human. You can read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bárðar_saga_Snæfellsáss It is interesting to note that scholars believe the ‘half giant/half troll’ bit to be only a legend, which is not surprising. But the people of Snæfellnes peninsula, where this story takes place, are very open minded on the subject. Having been sheltered from much of modern day thinking until fairly recently, it is no wonder that most of the population do not question the veracity of stories of giants/trolls which has been chronicled in the Icelandic sagas of the 14th century. I did not believe in any of this stuff (being brought up in the States) until I came to Iceland, but now I myself have started to be much more open minded on the subject.
      
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- Douglas
  
  March 23, 2013 at 10:38 am
  
  Are you sure some of those metal pieces weren’t just flattened on railroad tracks and then engraved?
  
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  - - Douglas
      
      March 23, 2013 at 10:46 am
      
      They sort of look like coins we used to leave on the tracks for the trains to smash.
      
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- SuziLondon
  
  March 30, 2013 at 5:22 am
  
  Hi
  
  Am from the UK.
  I have cousins who are born with six fingers and six toes. It is a genetic trait within their family. And yes they are taller than average. Another genetic trait in their family (which luckily they do not have) Is a disorder where they grow too tall at puberty 7-8 ft. But puts strain on the heart and the affected die young. They are irish but not red haired.
  
  I think there certainly was giants and some people still carry part of the genetic trail.
  
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  - - A.S. Judkins
      
      April 24, 2013 at 2:00 pm
      
      There is a new book coming out on this subject soon in May called “On the Trail of the Nephilim”. Go to
      http://aaronjudkins.wix.com/manvsarchaeology. I’ll have it up on the site in May as soon as it’s out.
      
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- loquai adamane
  
  April 12, 2013 at 2:19 pm
  
  The giants with red hair are known in japan, as Yasha. They are not human and they still exist today, though not where people can see them. For a general term they are not all the same, though called Nephilim they were known in ancient times as well. When they breed with humans or have bred with humans their are genetic traces left behind in the family line. They are six fingers and/or six toes, abnormal body hair usually all over, lower intelligence and IQ rates, and cranial ridge growth from increased bone mass.
  
  The Yasha were part of Buhda’s contigency in fighting demons. They tend to like to boil things in large pots, even humans. If you keep your eyes open you will find that they truly exist and are not some myth or legend. They are in every culture and have many names from bigfoot to wendigo.
  
  As for people with magic powers the only thing I can say is is this. How long have you believed that all these myths and legends were not real and who is to say that since you believe that you do not have magic powers does not mean that you do or do not have them. Question everything.
  
  In order to learn you must be as a child, open to all possibilities without bias or disbelief.
  
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- A.S. Judkins
  
  April 17, 2013 at 7:47 pm
  
  Reblogged this on Aaron Judkins and commented:
  A Giant Mystery: Sons of god; Men of Renown…
  
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- click here
  
  April 27, 2013 at 10:46 pm
  
  May I simply just say what a relief to discover someone who really understands what they are talking about on the web.
  You certainly understand how to bring a problem to light and make it important.
  More people must check this out and understand this side of your story.
  I can’t believe you’re not more popular because you most certainly
  possess the gift.
  
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- james
  
  May 30, 2013 at 7:26 pm
  
  I am in southwest az found lots of 2 and 3 piece stone totems working tools and no info ,can any one give me a clue got pics if any one would like to see . thanks james
  
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- docbonez
  
  May 31, 2013 at 4:50 am
  
  i volentiered to work foor these guys for free,never heard anything from theyre web site,this last few months.
  the couple do look to be wealthy Norse,in dress,hair & clothes.
  the metalic plates look like Templates,,,to be copied into simple sand,wax,or on pauperous paper with charcoal.so that the drawings and runes could be eternal.
  I think the Vikings were basic ‘white’,and early great explorers,because they built boats & persued that,,,instead of war.
  ………………………..doc Bonez……………….
  
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- Scott
  
  June 11, 2013 at 5:10 pm
  
  The more this has captured my interest and the more I look into it the more I find that all the videos people post to look at on their websites are blocked for “copyright infringment”. I’m definitely starting to feel like people are trying to hide something from us.
  
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- MBH
  
  June 16, 2013 at 7:46 pm
  
  What’s to say that these finds are not Nephite? Are you aware that the pure Judaeans were often white with red hair and blue eyes? And that they were the Hyksos of Egypt? And that they were well-travelled, carried a giantism gene in their bloodline, and probably came from Europe to begin with? Science is looking for Nephites to have Semitic/Babylonian/middle eastern DNA, but a real understanding of who the true Israelites were prior to mixing with Babylonians and Assyrians is crucial to determining who the race was that preceded the Indians/”Not -so-Native Americans”. We know for sure from the Burrows Cave artifacts that the Egyptians/Mauritanian arrived here at east 50 B.C., and maintained an empire from South America to Arizona to Nova Scotia, centered in southern Illinois until almost 500 A.D. We know this because their writing has been found in all these places and has recently been decyphered. We know that several cultures were here at the same time. So we need to consider the idea that Nephites were one of these cultures, though perhaps not generally known as Nephites.
  
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- DOCBONEZ
  
  July 2, 2013 at 9:21 pm
  
  i saw a comment abt,”fakes”.
  thats why there are Uniiversities,w/labs.Most of us have simple items in our houses,cars,garages that could make good ‘fakes’.
  simple testing @ the local U,can rule this out or you can make your own lab at home. Ive developed simple tools for testing,different colored lights,infa-red,Black light,tanning bulbs,and strong Tri Focal glasses,& lenses I pulled out of a 61″ Sony projection system! they get me to glimpsing points,where I can look for old evidence.
  …………..these items here,I blew up on my P.C. picture,,they DONT LOOK LIKE FAKES!!
  have a nice day guys!
  ………………………………………DOC BONEZ……………………………….
  
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- Andrea Psoras
  
  July 28, 2013 at 11:12 am
  
  remember even those ‘sons of God’ in Genesis which lusted for and mixed with the daughters of men, women’s pelvic bones cannot pass the heads of large men, unless there are large women.
  
  if the women are not as large and notice they’re only finding the skeletons of large men, in order for the large creature to pass through a birth canal, and meanwhile the head of any new born is soft, and will mold, that’s possible how men then and in what was found in wisconsin had elongated heads if they were born in this earth.
  
  in order for a woman’s body to pass a large skull, the woman would have to be killed or the soft head, elongated in order to pass out of her body.
  
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- hdsnake867
  
  August 10, 2013 at 8:27 am
  
  Fake or real, the questions remain: Why are there no remains of a world wide chain of “Big & Tall” shops? These giants had to buy their clothes somewhere. Also, why isn’t there any evidence of some sort of organized basketball from 5000 years ago?
  
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- Docbonez
  
  August 10, 2013 at 12:30 pm
  
  follow up,on;the coverage of “white peoples”.
  YOUR RIGHT!!!
  The first peoples,,Were a legand in ‘the Bible’,comeing from -God.
  And,,,first evidence covered up…….Aliens,,or other wordly travelers !!!!!
  ancient Pictographs all over the world depic,’others’comeing here on ships!even inside Egyptian Tombs! but THAT is COVERED UP,so that other males may gain & hold control over the populas.SHIPS were obviously-waaaay advanced,so they had to of been here first!!……..but ,,if huMans lessored our egos to that truth,it would
  be difficult then to say & beat there chests-“we are in charge here”,,and answer questions,too difficult to dream up,or excuses to hard to muster for the curious populus!!
  Earliest race of beings,were traced to a valley in the Himilayas,the one Hitler found as well,DNA Testing was done,and it was confirmed! it was documented in our decade on the disDiscovery Channel…………….They are Blue eyed BLONDES.W
  here”
  
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- ric 25
  
  August 12, 2013 at 2:41 am
  
  In the moslem world, phanomenon and history about human with huge stature, actually is the usual thing
  we believe that Adam.As was 60 cubits ( 27.4 meters ) tall.
  Noah was 30 feet tall.
  Peoples in the early generation were giants size
  
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- elisabethduboiselisabeth
  
  August 15, 2013 at 5:00 pm
  
  Hello David, is there any way of seeing the videos you had posted? like this link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2OIfcA6hWw&NR=1) . hate when things get taken away from the public with so called infringement….
  thank you for sharing this information.
  Elisabeth
  
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- Bob Aceton
  
  August 16, 2013 at 7:07 pm
  
  Yes, Noah was very large as were his children (over 30 are enumerated in old English history by Holingshed) and the non-Biblical history of the first post-deluvial generations are detailied in Greek mythology; i.e., War of the Titans, Gigantomachy, etc. It is significant that the Greeks claimed descent from Oranus’ son, Iapetos (Biblical: Japeth) and the Indians claim descent from Iyapeti (also Japeth)… Therefore Oranus must be the Biblical Noah and Oranus’ wife, Gaia, must be the mother of Shem, Ham & Japeth. Truth is stranger than fiction… coming back to the Biblical perspective. Nimrod (Ham’s grandson) is depicted in Assyrian reliefs as being about 14 feet tall holding a full grown lion with one arm and a large snake with his other hand. This is not “a religious” gesture but is reality. He was very powerful physically and his attempt to put all of Noah’s descendants under his dominion must have caused a massive flight of many peoples from the Middle East – some eventually arriving in the Western hemisphere (from both directions). Mind you, of everything I have read of the early giants, they tended to either be skittish and run to the hills or be fierce, warlike, and cruel aggressors. Not exactly either type of persona to loudly claim heritage from. I believe they were the remains of the DNA of the Nephilim that were transmitted through someone in Noah’s family.
  
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- john mckinney
  
  October 6, 2013 at 2:49 pm
  
  red hair is not a quality exclusive to white people. it is a mutation similar to and possibly related to albinism. it occures like blue eyes among all people and even among all living things (abinism). creatures with extreme prognatism and features in common with neanderthals can hardly be seen as garden variety europeans. even if their skin were as pale as the moon and their hair as red as fire. since that describes no real living person of euro-descent. i have seen pictures in national geographics of red and blond haired mummies found in the americas. to me they all look like american indians. even if their skin color were proven to be pale, there is nothing anamolous in albino indians beyond a cultural taboo, or a mystical perception of such a phenomena. i dont find it strange that there were whole tribes of giants found through out the world, anymore than i find it strange that white people are found in europe or the three toed people in south east africa. ancient people often saw strange anamolies as messages from the gods and or ancestors. it would be nothing unusual for a society to round up all those who bore such anamolies and cast them out or even kill them. also the opposite can also be the case, seeing them as messengers from the gods and diefying them. in any case, a cast out minority group will ban together for their own mutual protection fostering their own societies. granting such, all offspring within that society will carry the genetic traite of the anomoly as the dominant trait within their society. occasionally producing the original trait which may either be accepted or cast out by them as an aborration.. this behavior is seen all over the planet within every society, thus partially explaining the variatoins in race and people.
  
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- john mckinney
  
  October 6, 2013 at 3:11 pm
  
  side note: i dont altogether disagree with the alien theory. some giant skulls (the cone heads) lack the number of sutures found in human skulls. this suggest to me something “other”. whether thy were gods or the biblical nephalim giants is in fact anyones guess. whether they were black or white is entirely ones own prejudice.
  
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- Teresita Ann
  
  October 18, 2013 at 7:11 pm
  
  What I’d love to see is a great movie (much like the Avatar simulations) made about this Red Haired Giants. All this info is all ready and already available.
  
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- denisematteau
  
  November 12, 2013 at 10:26 am
  
  I think it is interesting that these artifacts include engraved metal plates and the more recent population to go to that part of the world, the Mormons, did so after their prophet-founder claimed to have been given engraved metal plates and also that the Mormon mythology is rife with claims of ancient history. I personally do not accept Mormon teachings as having any validity, but I see with open enough eyes to see that there is something strange going on at a much deeper level than most people care to think about. I mean, the Mormon founder could have claimed any number of “revelations” if all he wanted to do was hoax people… so how could he have come up with such a con-incidental mythology all on his own, if he were only a young charlatan in the Eastern part of the country so long before Utah was even thought of, or these discoveries made? Hmmmmm……..
  
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  - - atrueott
      
      November 12, 2013 at 11:08 am
      
      Oh yes – during the early 1800’s, engraved metal plates were turning up in newly plowed farmer’s fields from central New York State, to the frontiers of Ohio and Michigan with amazing regularity. Treasure- hunter Joe Smith’s fertile imagination and necromancy skills were the only legitimate thing about him. Did he access and channel spirits? Absolutely, yes he did. The Bible is very clear in condemning such practices because of the dark one’s deceptions that too often occur during the practice. (see the story of the “Witch of Endor” in Samuel). Some of the dark entities Smith accessed were undoubtedly the fallen angels – aka the “Nephilim” which were indeed giants of large stature, according to the Old Testament. Is it just a coincidence that the central figure of Smith’s mystical magic Book of Mormo (aka a KING Demon according to arch-Satanist Anton LaVey) was a similar “man of large stature” by the name of NEPHI? His people, the giant “Nephites” were completely wiped out, according to the B of M.
      
      The bottom line is Joe Smith didn’t “come up with the mythology all on his own”. He got it through exercising the forbidden practice of necromancy. Here’s another very strange “coincidence” for you to consider. As a young lad, Smith had multiple surgeries on the diseased bone in his leg while the family lived in Vermont, and was eventually sent to his Uncle Jesse’s farm – the original Smith Family Homestead in Salem Massachusetts to recover. A few years ago, I researched the old plat-map records of Salem, Mass. and found the Jesse Smith homestead where young Joe went to recuperate (and first began his necromancy via a spirit “tracing paper” that he carried with him till the day he died.) I was shocked to discover that today, this same exact tract of land is where Parker Brothers builds and packages OuiJa Boards!!! Talk about a Hmmmmm……!
      
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- wayne wells
  
  January 29, 2014 at 3:10 am
  
  Over the last five years I have found thousands of images on Google earth though over 50 countries including.ancient ruins,pyramids,crashed alien craft,giant skulls,ship wrecks,secret tunnels ,massive gold deposits.Though some may have been found in the past.I believe hundreads are undiscovered treasures.
  
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- Fair Oaks alternative medicine practitioner
  
  March 9, 2014 at 10:39 am
  
  Thanks for finally writing about >FORBIDDEN
  ARCHEOLOGY | The Story Behind The Story <Liked it!
  
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- tba
  
  May 14, 2014 at 12:48 pm
  
  19th and early 20th newspapers, etc. were often filled with hoax stories like this, proliferated by other writers, since journalistic standards were low. So you had stories about mysterious flying objects, disappearing people, Egyptian treasure at the Grand Canyon, etc., all fake and all undocumented. Then these stories were years later promulgated as “true” by other authors.
  
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  - - Edward
      
      July 1, 2014 at 8:06 am
      
      ah this is not a hoax story.. just because you want to think it is because of what you have already been tough and the fact you were not there when they were dug up does not mean its a hoax story.. it just means you dont want to believe it
      
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- Judy
  
  July 3, 2014 at 11:23 am
  
  None of the links worked for me. Just a heads up. not sure when this site came out or was last updated. but the youtube videos are gone.. saying that the one who uploaded them were disabled for copyright infringement.. and there seems to be a loadblock on the rest of them..
  
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  - - atrueott
      
      July 5, 2014 at 3:32 pm
      
      Yes indeed.
      
      There is a “court order” against the content of this website. “Land of the Free”??? I doubt it. I don’t know how much longer this blog will be up.
      
      True
      
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      - Docbonez
        
        July 5, 2014 at 5:14 pm
        
        aghmm,,,,
        “newspaper”.
        started to go nationaly public in the U.S. just before the civil War.a person could get one at thyre local General store.infact it is how C.S.Lewis got his start after collage writeing fantasy childrens stories.i.e.’the looking glass’.
        most reporters back then were trying to make a name & a liveing in an art form called “writeing”.
        the only other way to ‘sell’,& make ANY CASH at all,was to pay a bookbinder/print shop out of your pocket & get a book published.then they were SOLD DOOR TO DOOR,by foot.
        Large publishing companies didnt want to invest in printing anything out of the main stream of what was opinionated as ‘standard’ & ‘aceptable’ reading!!-…that meant certian religios books,and a few others older manuscripts.
        news paper journalists were unpaid,mostly & starveing dedicated artists.they went on trips to SEE BONES,CAVES,SKULLS,on theyre own cash.and if had a camera would photograph.like most people today…we bend over backwards to report any ‘unaceptable’piece of news and sometimes this takes years!were imprisoned!or its never released at all!.
        God bless writers,one & all.
        ……………it just so happens-that,,,,,,I have met such old writers!& reporters! in my life.I have heard the stories,Ive seen thyre old dried skin & eyes of the men whom SAW THESE ARTIFACTS!!!! THEY WERE THERE!!,,and they passed the chilling truths on!!
        and…I believe them.
        I agree that sometimes,,,we read twisted information.
        on THIS CASE,,,I met witnesess.
        
        ………..watch the skies,inteligence is comeing back,,,,,,peace,,,,
        sincerly,DOCBONEZ.

- terry
  
  October 3, 2014 at 8:49 pm
  
  Do u know where the calendar stone is? I’ve discovered a math& Geo format to space/time/mass/gravity that calculates continuum energy & removes all numerical anomalies of physics, its solves the babylon 3cycle format, match’s the Mayan calender & myth of a 10+ math system that self counts many tightly inner-twinned cycles & pattern rotations to & beyond 2,000,000, the flawless cycle patterns create a geometric blueprint that is triple 3-d & format pyramids, religious sysmbles, a mechanical system, energy physics, & a 3-d face that looks like ancient faces of warning/curse, its litterly1 geo- blueprint from a flawless math format of continuum physics that forms a triple 3-d lock box w/in a boxw/in a box ect that blueprints energy, history, faith & so much more iv found great decoding flaws in every cultures history & I’m seeking native american cultures too but can’t find much info of myths of vast wisdom in ancient north america. Iv strongly linked my math/Geo wisdom to exact Mayan Babylon Rome Chinese easter island stone templers knights templers. Hawaiian physics Einstein Tesla Egypt Hitler & all faiths in script codes & symbles from every bible verse through buddas claims of mental teleportation. It answered every culture myth, science mysteries of string d.n.a. energy all modern & ancient Calender’s & so much more.Its coded in everything to preserve wisdom far to powerful for mankind to control but to important to discard so cultures abandoned it & coded this cursed knowledge its truely universal physics wisdom to creation & destruction on a vast scale, but I greatly lack american history proof . I’d love to locate the stone w calender style carvings, a deck of cards match’s the Mayan 0-13 cycle & no1 ever figured that out, its coded in our everyday lives, proper physics wisdom unlocks the natural energy to the unulitized portions of the human minds power. Wisdom was not lost, it is cursed & was abandoned! man went from ancient engineering perfection & universal physics comprehension globally, to believing earth is flat, now man thinks math anomalies are unexplainable, math is flawless, our calculation of continuum physics is incomplete, anomalies mirror + poss./ — neg. Energy wave highs/lows proper math is an amazing numeric book of physics if vast power & I need ancient american proof of knowledge asap. T.y. 4 ur time
  
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  - - Reece
      
      October 14, 2014 at 10:17 am
      
      hey im really interested can you message me explaining more i am really interested in your knowledge
      
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- AntiLieGuy
  
  November 6, 2014 at 3:58 am
  
  They found and took Noahs ark from Mt Ararat, quite intact. It could be seen in google maps before they censored it but now the map shows 3 distinct boat prints where they moved it in stages and equipment tracks at the site. I have pics from before and after.
  
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  - - Ray
      
      November 24, 2014 at 11:37 pm
      
      Any more information on this ?
      
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- DocBonez
  
  November 6, 2014 at 3:28 pm
  
  looks like you have found the “Merlins””Pandora box”!!!
  i had a dream of it once.
  you have found a depiction of Universal language!,also used in space.your right.
  I would like to know where you found it???????
  
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- Ray
  
  November 24, 2014 at 11:29 pm
  
  These giant skeletons seem t have vanished because there are people and groups who want to keep us in the dark about human evolution and will stop at nothing to keep the truth from us, I just wish we are kept up to date to what is being done to protect any new finds of these giant skeletons this should be kept in the newest news available today.
  
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- dave crain
  
  November 30, 2014 at 12:20 pm
  
  Last night, America Unearthed ( A show with a forensic geologist, Scott Wolter) went to the site in Kanab. Wolter met with Lon Child and asked if he could drill out a core sample. Lon’s response was a firm “No.” Then Wolter had a gentleman come to the site with an underwater rover. The silt in the tunnel was extremely bad. Wolter then asked Lon if he could drain the Lake. Of course, the answer was “No” because of the little endangered “Amber snail.” Lon proceeded to tell Wolter that each snail’s death was worth a steep $50,000! However, Lon did allow him to dive through the tunnel and attempt to vacuum out the silt with a dredge. Then, the dredge did not work as anticipated! Perhaps if they had a bigger dredge, then we could have seen the inner workings of the tunnels. But, to my knowledge, Scott Wolter did not make a connection of the amber snail with Aztec jewelry.
  
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  - - atrueott
      
      November 30, 2014 at 3:50 pm
      
      Very interesting, Dave. I guess Lon is Brandt Child’s son? We (Brandt et. al.) already tried drilling into the chamber – and every time it got to within 10 feet, the drill rig would buck and the bit would break! Lon likely knows about Brandt’s plan to tunnel in from the east side. Same problem. Relatively soft sandstone suddenly became like solid iron – blasting didn’t help at all, and Brandt was a skilled tunnel digger and blaster. I am of the opinion that an ancient technology exists to keep the “secrets” of the cave safe. I think that this involves the combinations of magnetics and specific hz. acoustics. One can either make stone light and easy to move, or it can make it extremely dense as iron. The key to how the ancients manipulated stone to change and alter its density is also found in the “Coral Castle” construction secrets of Ed Leedskalnin. See the video below:
      
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      - dave crain
        
        November 30, 2014 at 4:22 pm
        
        We made a trip to Ed’s castle for a wedding anniversary about 10 years ago ( I know we are weird). There was a swinging door that was broken and a local university’s engineering department took a shot at fixing it. Needless to stay it was still not fixed and the stone material that the pivot rested on………..unidentified.
      - Teppo Särkkä
        
        December 9, 2014 at 3:22 am
        
        When Wolter asked about drilling, Lon said they don’t want more drilling because of a curse, or because of a death that was connected to a previous attempt to drill. Wolter thought the refusal had everything to do with the curse. If the chamber is as hard as iron, there are drill bits for drilling iron. Do you mean it was even harder than iron?
        
        I’ve seen some posts by people on internet who claim they have tried to drill in that place last year (2013), and also were going to try this year. Why is there no concern for the “curse” or whatever when those other people attempt drilling while it was a clear ‘no’ answer from Lon when Wolter asked about it?

- Estobhan
  
  January 18, 2015 at 12:38 am
  
  You do realize that the Nat.Geo. link you put up about cyclops is actually an article about how Greeks could have seen elephant fossil or bones with the big opening for their nostril and have mistaken/come up with the explanation for cyclops? Do you ever read any legit peer reviewed scientific articles?
  
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The Giants Of The Bible, Taking A Close Look At The Antediluvian World, Part 5

Use your imagination coupled with the Word of God and visualize our world prior to the great flood of Noah. The corresponding chapters in the Bible for this time period are Genesis 1-6. The climate was warm, uniform and temperate because of the “greenhouse effect” all over the world, and the water canopy that prevents the sun’s ultraviolet rays from harming all of life, hence the great longevity of mankind often exceeded nine hundred year old! [Adam lived to be 930 and Methuselah reached 969 years]. Severe storms and high winds are very uncommon during the early time period of God’s wonderful creation. Natural springs and pools abound as water sources, and rain is unknown and nonexistent. Dinosaurs are plentiful and taken for granted by mankind. They usually leave humans alone since most are vegetarians, and the plant life food source is abundant due to the aforementioned “greenhouse effect.” A couple Pteranodon are observed flying overhead, and my goodness, there is a Pterodactyl over towards the west! It is hard to believe a creature that large can fly. My favorite dinosaur, the Triceratops, is observed eating in the marshes. They are similar to the Rhinoceros except they have three horns rather than two and are much larger. As we enter open country, the Brachiosaurus are seen in number grazing in the valley. They are the largest of the dinosaurs in existence, and the biggest species of them that we have uncovered to date is the Argentinosaurus. See the Stegosaurus with exactly 17 large plates along his great spine and the spike at the end of its’ tail? And last but not least, there is Tyrannosaurus Rex. He is entrenched among the fern groves at the base of a smoldering caldron of a volcano, silhouetted against the indigo sky. Tyrannosaurus Rex is not the carnivore we assumed, but is herbivorous and uses his great rows of teeth for chewing and mashing copious amounts of plants. Yes, dinosaurs (which means terrible lizards) are everywhere but their philosophy is “you leave us alone and we will leave you alone.” The closer that sin fallen man lives to the flood of Noah, the worse the conditions become. Nearly 100% of men are in total rebellion against God. Most men believe in false gods of their own making. The sons of God (fallen angels) married the daughters of men a generation ago, and the whole human race rapidly became corrupt. Their progeny became the giants, known in the Bible as Nephilim. These demigods are a race of half breed giants and monsters (part man and part beast), and live in all cultures throughout the ancient world. These monstrous hybrids are rightly feared by mankind much more than the dinosaurs. They are wicked and nefarious, ruling over all, since in the ancient world, might makes right! They are commonly well over ten feet tall and are cannibalistic towards ordinary humans, even desiring to drink our blood! They live in dens and caves and hideous screeches are known to come from their abodes. The only way they can be attacked and killed is while they are asleep. They corrupted the entire human race because of their unparalleled dominance, and only Noah kept his family pure from them and found grace in the eyes of God.

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How Mythology Is Associated With The Ancient Biblical Nephilim-

As mentioned, the Nephilim lived all over the world and led to its’ rapid demise prior to the flood of Noah. Stories today abound all over the globe that are related to the giants even though the facts have become clouded and distorted. We call a lot of these stories myths or mythology. These stories are replete in Greece, India, North America (Did you ever hear about Paul Bunyan and Babe his blue ox?), Rome, Egypt, Scandinavia, Asia, Europe and South America. Chimeras are the hybrid beasts (part man, part beast, and demonic?) that are known in the mythology of many nations. They include but are not limited to the Centaur, Satyr (part goat and part man), Cyclops and Minotaur. Greek writer Homer records the Cyclops in the Odyssey as having one eye in the center of his head, resides in a labyrinth of caves, and seeks to devour flesh and drink blood. Perhaps we can understand the legend of the Werewolf and the Vampire better now. Werewolves fit right into the hybrid monsters of ancient times, while the legendary Vampires’ blood lust is nearly identical to that of the Nephilim! Let us close with an observation of the sons of God and Nephilim, and their astonishing similarities to the ancient Greek gods. Zeus is a perverted form of the true God and resides on Mount Olympus. Neptune was god of the sea, and Uranus was god of the sky and personified the heavens. There are many other gods as well. In the Greek legends, mere mortals aspire to become gods like Zeus. Men like Hercules and Achilles to name a couple. The gods and the men who desire to become gods struggle with each other, often coming together at Mount Olympus. The giant Greek men were called the Titans who desired deity. They struggled with the gods in order to become gods. I believe we can easily observe the Biblical parallels: The Greek Titans and Chimeras (hybrid man, animal and demon) are the equivalent to the antediluvian Nephilim, while Zeus and the other Greek gods are in reality the sons of God or fallen angels. Once we understand this, all of history falls beautifully into place. One cannot understand ancient history unless we totally understand the fallen angels and giants of Genesis 6:1-4. This formula from Greek mythology can be applied in a similar fashion to the stories and myths in countless other cultures, lands, nations and civilizations.

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I believe this last part of the series on the Biblical giants is accurate in so far as the Bible is concerned. I added some data, largely based on the study of creation sciences, such as the “greenhouse effect,” etc. I attempted to describe how legends and mythology make sense ONLY when they are seen in light of the Bible and of the facts we already know from ancient history. As we observe consistencies within mythology all around the globe, the key is that there is an element of truth behind all of the stories. Part 5 is a blend of the Bible, creation science, archaeology, anthropology and history. In other words, our desire is to obtain the facts the best way we can, based on the information available. My desire is that this study whets your appetite for further investigation.

Blessings, Pastor Steve

The Giants Of The Bible, Breaking Down The Different Biblical Giants, Part 4

In the book I Enoch, a commonly used name for the fallen angels (the sons of God) is the Watchers. Another term used by many of the ancients for the fallen ones is the Gibborim. The following, however, are the Biblical terms for the giants:

1)Nephilim- These are the antediluvian (pre flood) giants. The term means fallen ones. Archaeologists in North America believe they located possible Nephilim bones and remains, highlighted by two rows of teeth and heights exceeding eight and even nine feet. These giants were the result of the fall depicted in Genesis 6:1-4, whereby the sons of God (sons of heaven, fallen angels) took wives for themselves among whom they chose. The Nephilim apparently settled throughout the world prior to the great deluge of Noah.

2)Rephaim- These are the giants after the flood. They include King Og, Goliath and his brothers, and many others. They seem to be confined more so to the land of Canaan and surrounding nations, whereas the Nephilim settled globally. Moses confronted giants as the Israelites journeyed towards the land of Canaan. The Anakim giants were encountered by Moses on the way to Canaan and they are another group of the post flood Rephaim giants. All of the Canaanite tribes had giants among them and were also part of the Rephaim. The twelve spies encountered the giants when they spied out the land and felt like grasshoppers in their presence. Giants are mentioned throughout the Bible much more than most readers realize.

3)Anakim- Who were the Anakim? They were descendants of a man name Anak, whom we are told had three sons, Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai (Joshua 15:14; Judges 1:10, 20). Joshua later devoted the Anakim to destruction, only leaving them in Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod (Joshua 11:21-22). (1 Samuel 17:4 says that Goliath was from Gath, leading us to conclude he was a descendant of Anak.) Caleb is said to have driven out the Anakim from Hebron (Joshua 14:12; 15:14; Judges 1:20), a city that was formerly called Kiriath-arba, named after Arba, who “was the greatest man among the Anakim” (Joshua 14:15; cf. Judges 1:10).

Numbers 13:33 mentions that these sons of Anak “come from the Nephilim” (which is the only explicit connection between the Anakim and Nephilim in Scripture). Is this claim correct? Since Moses never mentions the Anakim as coming from the Nephilim, this may be the part that the spies fabricated in order to support their case against entering the land. However, there are three reasons for believing the statement in Numbers 13:33 is correct and that the Anakim in fact came from the Nephilim:

1) Genesis 6:4 says the Nephilim were on the earth at a later time—“The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward.” The “afterward” is presumably after the flood. Numbers 13:33 is the only other mention of Nephilim in Scripture, so this would explain the comment in Genesis 6:4.

2) The spies’ claim to have seen the Nephilim in Numbers 13:33 is followed with what reads like an editorial comment that seeks to connect the reference of the “sons of Anak” in 13:28 with the reference to Nephilim in 13:33—“the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim.” In this case, the author of Numbers considered the spies’ report of the Nephilim accurate and then added his own explanation that the Anakim came from the Nephilim.

3) This connection between Anakim and the Nephilim in Numbers 13:33 is the only apparent explanation as to why some of the Canaanites were so tall. While some scholars suggest that these were only giants relative to the shorter Israelites (meaning six feet would be tall), Og’s bed and Goliath’s height suggest these were in fact genuine giants over nine feet tall (see below).

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Many conservative theologians throughout history, have thought there was a great spiritual fall involving angelic beings, and they “left their first estate,” thusly intervening in the affairs of men, and taking wives for themselves prior to the flood. There was a spiritual fall both before and after the flood. Mount Hermon is the place that ancient writings tell us the fallen angels gathered at. We do not know exactly how this happened since it was a supernatural act. Here is something you may have never thought of. Most people equate the demons who plague our earth as fallen angels, BUT the Bible says that the fallen angels who left their proper domain and abode (Jude 6) are already locked in everlasting chains until the final judgment. So how could they become the demons who currently inhabit our world? Another possibility is that the demons who wander the earth came from the giants who were the progeny of the sons of God. It is interesting to think about. There will be one more part for this series on the Biblical giants. The hybrids throughout the ancient world will be examined. It is fascinating to realize that there is indeed fact (distorted over the centuries) behind the ancient myths that we are all familiar with.

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