The Ancient Giants Who Roamed The Earth

There are several entries on this blog site referring to giants; they are in the category: Old Testament Giants.  The first giants in the Bible are mentioned in Genesis 6, and they lived before the flood (antediluvian).  They lived all over the world, and they are mentioned in the historical, anthropological, and archaeological annuls of every major civilization on every continent.  The second group of Biblical giants came after the flood (post diluvian), and are limited to the Biblical lands in the Middle East – specifically to the land of Canaan/Israel and the surrounding nations.  Biblical examples of these giants are Goliath and his brothers, Anak, and King Og of Bashan.  Below, King Og is contrasted with an ordinary Israelite.  As we convert cubits to feet, the Bible says his bed was over 13 feet long and six feet wide.

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WND EXCLUSIVE

BIGFOOT? HOW ABOUT A FOSSILIZED GIANT FOOT?

News agency has photo of one in bedrock more than 22 inches long

Published: 19 hours ago
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/09/bigfoot-how-about-a-fossilized-giant-foot/#IlZHt0fkUOJrZlXM.99

 

The Giant Of Kandahar, Afghanistan

Killed in 2002    The Description Is An Exact Match For The Biblical Old Testament Nephilim

There is no absolute proof that this giant was killed in Afghanistan in 2002 except for the testimony of the soldiers.  The writers of the story are reliable however, and the soldiers talk about this story nonchalantly as if it were common knowledge.  The alleged “cover up” by those in charge, was classic and in total harmony with previous incidents, such as the Smithsonian Institute’s hiding of the bones of giants found throughout North America.  [Read Richard Dewhurst’s “The Giants Who Ruled America, The Missing Skeletons And The Smithsonian Cover Up”].

More Proof That The Biblical Giants Mentioned In Genesis 6 Once Walked On Our Planet

There are a plethora of historical and archaeological articles on this blog site, as well actual proof that Biblical Giants once walked the earth, under the category “Old Testament Giants.”  The following article is written from a secular standpoint, but much to the chagrin of worldly thinkers, it places an awful wrinkle in their evolutionary scheme.    Pastor Steve

Key the following link:

10 Alleged Discoveries That Suggest Giants Existed

 

The Wisconsin Giants Found In 1912, And The Twelve Huge Cyclops Giants Found In Greece And Reported In The National Geographic In 2002

Below is archaeological evidence of the ancient nephilim that once dominated the antediluvian world.  There is disagreement about the Cyclops found in Greece.  Some feel they may have been elephants, and the tusk cavity was mistaken for an eye.  Interestingly however, if Cyclops were truly found, then the logical place would be Greece!  Elephants have never been native to Greece as far as I know.  (Beware of the comments below.  Like the book of Proverbs, the comments contrast the wise man and the fool).

Blessings, Pastor Steve

Here’s yet another update to “Forbidden Archeology” in America:

A giant mystery: 18 strange giant skeletons found in Wisconsin: Sons of god; Men of renown

Kristan Harris
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Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:30 CST
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Here’s one for your “Forbidden Archaeology” file.Scientists are remaining stubbornly silent about a lost race of giants found in burial mounds near Lake Delavan, Wisconsin, in May 1912. The dig site at Lake Delavan was overseen by Beloit College and it included more than 200 effigy mounds that proved to be classic examples of 8th century Woodland Culture. But the enormous size of the skeletons and elongated skulls found in May 1912 did not fit very neatly into anyone’s concept of a textbook standard. They were enormous. These were not average human beings.

Strange Skulls

First reported in the 4 May 1912 issue of the New York Times the 18 skeletons found by the Peterson brothers on Lake Lawn Farm in southwest Wisconsin exhibited several strange and freakish features.

Their heights ranged between 7.6ft and 10 feet and their skulls “presumably those of men, are much larger than the heads of any race which inhabit America to-day.” They tend to have a double row of teeth, 6 fingers, 6 toes and like humans came in differant races. The teeth in the front of the jaw are regular molars. Heads usually found are elongated believed due to longer than normal life span.

” One must wonder how much can they lift if twice the size of a average human today? Are these the Giants the Bible & many other civilizations have in their history and painted on their walls. The Bible in Genisis 6:4 ” There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old men of renown. ” Now this is faulty logic to any scientist out there because I am using religous/cultural history to fill a hole in science.

Over 200 Giant digs have been found in recent years. Giant skeleton finds have not made the local/national news since the 1950’s for the most part. It seems in most peoples opinion do to the fear that people would question evolution . If anything a de-evolution.

In 2002, National Geographic reported a dozen Cyclops skeletons found in Greece that stood 12-15 1/2 Ft tall. That is 3 humans tall. One eye socket. Giants in history are typically cannibalistic in nature. The reason why I am bringing up giants will all tie into politics, and word happenings. Look at a basketball hoop and add 5 feet. That tall. Greek Mythology talks about war with cyclops learning they had to bring down by taking out their legs rendering them slow and helpless. American Giants (Red Hair Giants) where found with egyptian writing on their tombs have been found in multiple locations.

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Mystery of The Wisconsin Giants

Was this some sort of prank, a hoax played by local farm boys or a demented taxidermist for fun and the attention of the press? The answer is no.

The Lake Delavan find of May 1912 was only one of dozens and dozens of similar finds that were reported in local newspapers from 1851 forward to the present day. It was not even the first set of giant skeletons found in Wisconsin.

On 10 August 1891, the New York Times reported that scientists from the Smithsonian Institution had discovered several large “pyramidal monuments” on Lake Mills, near Madison, Wisconsin. “Madison was in ancient days the centre of a teeming population numbering not less than 200,000,” the Times said. The excavators found an elaborate system of defensive works which they named Fort Aztalan.

“The celebrated mounds of Ohio and Indiana can bear no comparison, either in size, design or the skill displayed in their construction with these gigantic and mysterious monuments of earth — erected we know not by whom, and for what purpose we can only conjecture,” said the Times.

On 20 December 1897, the Times followed up with a report on three large burial mounds that had been discovered in Maple Creek, Wisconsin. One had recently been opened.

“In it was found the skeleton of a man of gigantic size. The bones measured from head to foot over nine feet and were in a fair state of preservation. The skull was as large as a half bushel measure. Some finely tempered rods of copper and other relics were lying near the bones.”

Giant skulls and skeletons of a race of “Goliaths” have been found on a very regular basis throughout the Midwestern states for more than 100 years. Giants have been found in Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, Ohio, Kentucky and New York, and their burial sites are similar to the well-known mounds of the Mound Builder people.

The spectrum of Mound builder history spans a period of more than 5,000 years (from 3400 BCE to the 16th CE), a period greater than the history of Ancient Egypt and all of its dynasties.

There is a “prevailing scholarly consensus” that we have an adequate historical understanding of the peoples who lived in North America during this period. However, the long record of anomalous finds like those at Lake Delavan suggests otherwise.

The Great Smithsonian Cover-Up

Has there been a giant cover-up? Why aren’t there public displays of gigantic Native American skeletons at natural history museums?

The skeletons of some Mound Builders are certainly on display. There is a wonderful exhibit, for example, at the Aztalan State Park where one may see the skeleton of a “Princess of Aztalan” in the museum.
But the skeletons placed on display are normal-sized, and according to some sources, the skeletons of giants have been covered up.

Specifically, the Smithsonian Institution has been accused of making a deliberate effort to hide the “telling of the bones” and to keep the giant skeletons locked away.

In the words of Vine Deloria, a Native American author and professor of law:

“Modern day archaeology and anthropology have nearly sealed the door on our imaginations, broadly interpreting the North American past as devoid of anything unusual in the way of great cultures characterized by a people of unusual demeanor. The great interloper of ancient burial grounds, the nineteenth century Smithsonian Institution, created a one-way portal, through which uncounted bones have been spirited. This door and the contents of its vault are virtually sealed off to anyone, but government officials. Among these bones may lay answers not even sought by these officials concerning the deep past.”

Two Giant Skeletons Near Potosi, WI

The January 13th, 1870 edition of the Wisconsin Decatur Republican reported that two giant, well-preserved skeletons of an unknown race were discovered near Potosi, WI by workers digging the foundation of a saw mill near the bank of the Mississippi river. One skeleton measured seven-and-a-half feet, the other eight feet. The skulls of each had prominent cheek bones and double rows of teeth. A large collection of arrowheads and “strange toys” were found buried with the remains.

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Giant Skeleton Discovered in Maple Creek, WI

On December 20th, 1897 the New York Times reported that three large burial mounds had been discovered near Maple Creek, WI. Upon excavation, a skeleton measuring over nine feet from head to toe was discovered with finely tempered copper rods and other relics.

Giant Skeleton in West Bend, WI

A giant skeleton was unearthed outside of West Bend near Lizard Mound County Park and assembled by local farmers to a height of eight feet. More about this can be found in Washington County Paranormal: A Wisconsin Legend Trip by local author and investigator J. Nathan Couch.

While a normal-sized skeleton of a supposed mound builder (the “Princess of Aztalan”) is on display at the site of several large pyramidal monuments near Madison called Aztalan State Park, the goliath remains of Wisconsin’s giants have vanished along with the hundreds of others discovered throughout the midwest.

Many have accused the Smithsonian Institution of covering up these discoveries, locking the giant skeletons away and depriving the public of their findings.

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Here’s a True “Story Behind the Story” – an incredible article that was printed back in 1909 in the Arizona Gazette newspaper.  Imagine – a great series of ancient caverns and chambers deep in the Grand Canyon.  Indeed – this is another example of Forbidden Archeology and COVERUP!!

 

” ARIZONA GAZETTE, MONDAY EVENING, APRIL 5, 1909
EXPLORATIONS IN GRAND CANYON
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Mysteries of Immense Rich Cavern Being Brought to Light
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JORDAN IS ENTHUSED
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Remarkable Finds Indicate Ancient People Migrated From Orient
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The latest news of the progress of the explorations of what is now regarded by scientists as not only the oldest archaeological discovery in the United States, but one of the most valuable in the world, which was mentioned some time ago in the Gazette, was brought to the city yesterday by G.E. Kinkaid, the explorer who found the great underground citadel of the Grand Canyon during a trip from Green River, Wyoming, down the Colorado in a wooden boat, to Yuma, several months ago.
According to the story yesterday to the Gazette by Mr. Kinkaid, the archaeologist of the Smithsonian Institute, which is financing the explorations, have made discoveries which almost conclusively prove that the race which inhabited this mysterious cavern, hewn in solid rock by human hands, was of Oriental origin or possibly from Egypt tracing back to Ramses. If their theories are borne out of the translation of the tablets engraved with hieroglyphics, the mystery of the prehistoric peoples of North America, their ancient arts, who they were and whence they came, will be solved. Egypt and the Nile and Arizona and the Colorado will be linked by a historical chain running back to ages which staggers the wildest fancy of the fictionist.

A Thorough Investigation
Under the direction of professor S.A. Jordan, the Smithsonian Institute is now prosecuting the most thorough explorations, which will be continued until the last link in the chain has been forged. Nearly a mile underground, about 1480 feet below the surface, the long main passage has been delved into, to find another mammoth chamber from which radiates scores of passageways, like the spokes of a wheel. Several hundred rooms have been discovered, reached by passageways running from the main passage, one of them having been explored for 854 feet and another 634 feet.
The recent finds include articles which have never been known as native to this country and doubtless they had their origin in the Orient. War weapons, copper instruments sharp edged and hard as steel, indicate the high state of civilization reached by these strange people. So interested have the scientists become that preparations are being made to equip the camp for extensive studies and the force will be increased to thirty or forty persons. Before going further into the cavern, better facilities for lighting have to be installed, for the darkness is dense and impenetrable for the average flash light. In order to avoid being lost, wires are being strung from the entrance to all passageways leading directly to large chambers. How far this cavern extends no one can guess, but it is now the belief of many that what has already been explored is merely the “Barracks”, to use an American term, for the soldiers, and that far into the underworld will be found the main communal dwellings of the families and possibly other shrines. The perfect ventilation of the cavern, the steady drought that blows through, indicates that it has another outlet to the surface.
Mr. Kinkaids Report
Mr. Kinkaid was the first white child born in Idaho and has been an explorer and hunter all his life. Thirty years having been in the service of the Smithsonian Institute. Even briefly recounted, his history sounds fabulous, almost grotesque. “First, I would impress that the cavern is almost inaccessible. The entrance is almost 1486 feet down a shear canyon wall. It is located on government land and no visitor will be allowed there under penalty of trespass. The scientists wish to work unmolested, without fear of the archaeological discoveries being disturbed by curio or relic hunters. A trip there would be fruitless and the visitor would be sent on his way.
The story of how I found the cavern has already been recounted, but in a paragraph: I was journeying down the Colorado river in a boat, alone, looking for mineral. Some forty two miles up the river from El Tovar Crystal canyon, I saw on the east wall, stains in the sedimentary formation about 2000 feet above the river bed. There was no trail to this point, but I finally reached it with great difficulty. Above a shelf, which hid it from view of the river, was the mouth of the cave. There are steps leading from this entrance some thirty yards from what was at the time the cavern was inhabited, the level of the river. When I saw the chisel marks on the wall inside the entrance, I became interested, secured my gun and went in. During that trip I went back several hundred feet along the main passage, till I came to the main crypt in which I discovered the mummies. One of these I stood up and photographed by flashlight. I gathered a number of relics, which I carried down the Colorado to Yuma, from whence I shipped them to Washington with details of the discovery. Following this, the explorations were undertaken”.

The Passages
“The main passageway is about 12 feet wide, narrowing to 9 feet toward the farther end. About 57 feet from the entrance, the first passages branch off to the right and left, along which, on both sides, are a number of rooms about the size of ordinary living rooms of today, though some are 30 to 40 feet square.
These are entered by oval shaped doors and are ventilated by round air spaces through the walls into the passages. The walls are about 3 feet 6 inches in thickness. The passages are chiseled or hewn as straight as could be laid out by any engineer. The ceilings of many of the rooms converge to a center. The side passages near the entrance run at a sharp angle from the main hall, but toward the rear they gradually reach a right angle in direction”.

The Shrine
“Over a hundred feet from the entrance is a cross-hall, several hundred feet long, in which was found the idol, or image, of the peoples god, sitting cross-legged, with a Lotus flower or Lily in each hand. The cast of the face is Oriental, and the carving shows a skillful hand, and the entire is remarkably well preserved, as is everything in this cavern. The idol most resembles Buddha, though the scientists are not certain as to what religious worship it represents. Taking into consideration everything found thus far, it is possible that the worship most resembles the ancient people of Thibet. Surrounding this idol are smaller images, some beautiful in form, other crooked necked and distorted shapes, symbolical, probably, of good and evil. There are two large cacti with protruding arms, one on each side of the dais on which the god squats. All this is carved out of hard rock resembling marble.
In the opposite corner of this cross-hall were found tools of all descriptions, made of copper. This people undoubtedly knew the lost art of hardening this metal, which has been sought by chemists for centuries without result. On a bench running around the workroom was some charcoal and other material probably used in the process. There is also slag and stuff similar to matte, showing that these ancient peoples smelted ores, but so far, no trace of where of how this was done has been discovered, nor the origin of the ore. Among other finds are vases or urns and cups of copper and gold made very artistic in design. The pottery work includes enameled ware and glazed vessels.
Another passageway leads to granaries such as are found in the Oriental temples. They contain seeds of various kinds. One very large storehouse has not been entered, as it is twelve feet high and can be reached only from above. Two copper hooks extend on the edge,(continued on page 7) which indicates that some sort of ladder was attached. These granaries are rounded and the materials of which they are constructed, I think, is a very hard cement. A grey metal is also found in this cavern which puzzles the scientists, for it’s identity has not been established. It resembles platinum. Strewn promiscuously over the floor everywhere are what people call “Cats eyes” or “Tiger eyes”, a yellow stone of no great value. Each one is engraved with a head of a Malay type.”

The Hieroglyphics
“On all the urns, on the walls over the doorways and tablets of stone which were found by the image are mysterious hieroglyphics, the key to which the Smithsonian Institution hopes yet to discover. These writings resemble those found on the rocks about this valley. The engraving on the tablets probably has something to do with the religion of the people, Similar hieroglyphics have been found in the peninsula of Yucatan, but these are not found in the Orient. Some believe that these cave dwellers built the old canals in the Salt River valley. Among the pictorial writings only two animals are found. One is of prehistoric type”.

The Crypt
“The tomb or crypt in which the mummies are found is one of the largest of the chambers, the walls slanting back at an angle of about 35 degrees. One these are tiers of mummies, each one occupying a separate hewn shelf. At the head of each is a small bench on which is found copper cups and pieces of broken swords. Some of the mummies are covered with clay and all are wrapped in a bark fabric. The urns or cups on the lower tiers are crude, while as the higher shelves are reached, the urns are finer in design showing a interstage of civilization. It is worthy of note that all the mummies examined so far have proved to be male, no children or females being buried here. This leads to the belief that this interior section was the warriors barracks,
Among the discoveries no bones of animals have been found, no skins, no clothing nor bedding. Many of the rooms are bare but for the water vessels. One room, about 400 by 700 feet, was probably the main dining hall for cooking utensils are found here. What these people lived on is a problem, though it is presumed that they came south for the winter and farmed in the valleys, going back north in the summer. Upwards of 50,000 people could have lived in the cavern comfortably. One theory is that the present indian tribe found in Arizona are descendants of the serfs or slaves of the people which inhabited the cave. Undoubtedly a good many thousands of years before the Christian era a people lived here which reached a high state of civilization. The chronology of human history is full of gaps. Prof. Jordan is much enthused over the discoveries and believes that the find will prove of incalculable value in archaeological work.
“One thing I have spoken of may be of interest. There is one chamber the passageways to which is not ventilated and when we approach it a deadly, snaky smell struck us. Our lights would not penetrate the gloom and until stronger ones are available, we will not know what the chamber contains. Some say snakes, but others boo-hoo this idea and think that it may contain a deadly gas or chemicals used by the ancients. No sounds are heard, but it smells snaky just the same.
The whole underground institution gives one of shaky nerves the creeps. The gloom is like a weight on ones shoulders and our flashlights and candles only make the darkness blacker.
Imagination can revel in conjectures and ungodly day-dreams back through the ages that have elapsed till the mind reels dizzily in space”.
An Indian Legend
In connection with this story, it is notable that among the Hopis the tradition is told that their ancestors once lived in an underworld in the Grand Canyon! till dissension arose between the good and the bad, the people of one heart, the people of two hearts (Manchoto) who was their chief, counselled them to leave the underworld, but there was no way out. The chief then caused a tree to grow up and pierce the roof of the underworld and then the people of one heart climbed out. They tarried by Palsiaval (Red River), which is the Colorado, and grew grain and corn. They sent out a message to the temple of the sun, asking the blessing of peace, good will and rain for the people of one heart. That messenger never returned but, today at the Hopi village, at sundown can be seen the old men of the tribe out on the housetops gazing towards the sun, looking for the messenger. When he returns, their land and ancient dwelling place will be restored to them. That is the tradition.
Among the engravings of animals in the cave is seen a image of a heart over the spot where it is located. The legend was learned by W.E. Rollins, the artist, during a year spent with the Hopi Indians. There are two theories of the origin of the Egyptians. One is that they came from Asia: another is that the racial cradle was in the upper Nile region. Heeren, an Egyptologist, believed in the Indian origin of the Egyptians. The discoveries in the Grand Canyon may throw further light on human evolution and prehistoric ages.”
End
The Smithsonian Institution would prefer you believe that it was all an Aril Fools joke. It’s their standardized response to all inquiries about this article. Not too many major publishers would promote such an April Fools jokes four days AFTER April Fools day and leave it without explanation!
Here’s an off-hand report of Kincaid’s arrival in Yuma three weeks, 3 days prior to the interview with the reporter.
ARIZONA GAZETTE, FRIDAY EVENING, MARCH 12, 1909
“G.E. Kincaid Reaches Yuma.
G.E. Kincaid of Lewiston, Idaho, arrived in Yuma after a trip from Green River, Wyoming, down the entire course of the Colorado river. He is the second man to make this journey and came alone in a small skiff, stopping at his pleasure to investigate the surrounding country. He left Green River in October, having a small covered boat with oars, and carrying a fine camera, with which he secured over seven hundred views of the river and canyons which are unsurpassed. Mr. Kincaid says that one of the most interesting features of the trip was passing through the sluiceways at Laguna dam. He made this perilous passage with only the loss of an oar. Some interesting archaeological discoveries were unearthed and altogether the trip was of such interest that he will repeat it next winter, in the company of friends.”
END

Fee, Fi, Fo, Fum

Nevada’s mysterious cave of the red-haired giants

Many Native American tribes from the Northeast and Southwest still relate the legends of the red-haired giants and how their ancestors fought terrible, protracted wars against the giants when they first encountered them in North America almost 15,000 years ago.

Others, like the Aztecs and Mayans recorded their encounters with a race of giants to the north when they ventured out on exploratory expeditions.

Who were these red-haired giants that history books have ignored? Their burial sites and remains have been discovered on almost every continent.

In the United States they have been unearthed in Virginia and New York state, Michigan, Illinois and Tennessee, Arizona and Nevada.  Early Spanish explorers reported encountering red-haired giants in the mountains of Utah and Arizona as well.

And it’s the state of Nevada that the story of the native Paiute’s wars against the giant red-haired men transformed from a local myth to a scientific reality during 1924 when the Lovelock Caves were excavated.

At one time the Lovelock Cave was known as Horseshoe cave because of its U-shaped interior. The cavern—located about 20 miles south of modern day Lovelock, Nevada, is approximately 40-feet deep and 60-feet wide.

It’s a very old cave that pre-dates humans on this continent. In prehistoric times it lay underneath a giant inland lake called Lahontan that covered much of western Nevada. Geologists have determined the cavern was formed by the lake’s currents and wave action.

The legend

The Paiutes, a Native-American tribe indigenous to parts of Nevada, Utah and Arizona, told early white settlers about their ancestors’ battles with a ferocious race of white, red-haired giants. According to the Paiutes, the giants were already living in the area.

The Paiutes named the giants “Si-Te-Cah” that literally means “tule-eaters.” The tule is a fibrous water plant the giants wove into rafts to escape the Paiutes continuous attacks. They used the rafts to navigate across what remained of Lake Lahontan.

According to the Paiutes, the red-haired giants stood as tall as 12-feet and were a vicious, unapproachable people that killed and ate captured Paiutes as food.

The Paiutes told the early settlers that after many years of warfare, all the tribes in the area finally joined together to rid themselves of the giants.

One day as they chased down the few remaining red-haired enemy, the fleeing giants took refuge in a cave. The tribal warriors demanded their enemy come out and fight, but the giants steadfastly refused to leave their sanctuary.

Frustrated at not defeating their enemy with honor, the tribal chiefs had warriors fill the entrance to the cavern with brush and then set it on fire in a bid to force the giants out of the cave.
The few that did emerge were instantly slain with volleys of arrows. The giants that remained inside the cavern were asphyxiated.

Later, an earthquake rocked the region and the cave entrance collapsed leaving only enough room for bats to enter it and make it their home.

The excavation

Thousands of years later the cave was rediscovered and found to be loaded with bat guano almost 6-feet deep. Decaying bat guano becomes saltpeter, the chief ingredient of gunpowder, and was very valuable.

Therefore, in 1911 a company was created specifically to mine the guano. As the mining operation progressed, skeletons and fossils were found.

The guano was mined for almost 13 years before archaeologists were notified about the findings. Unfortunately, by then many of the artifacts had been accidentally destroyed or simply discarded.

Nevertheless, what the scientific researchers did recover was staggering: over 10,000 artifacts were unearthed including the mummified remains of two red-haired giants—one, a female 6.5-feet tall, the other male, over 8-feet tall.

Many of the artifacts (but not the giants) can be viewed at the small natural history museum located in Winnemucca, Nevada.

Confirmation of the myth

As the excavation of the cave progressed, the archaeologists came to the inescapable conclusion that the Paiutes myth was no myth; it was true.

What led them to this realization was the discovery of many broken arrows that had been shot into the cave and a dark layer of burned material under sections of the overlaying guano.

Among the thousands of artifacts recovered from this site of an unknown people is what some scientists are convinced is a calendar: a donut-shaped stone with exactly 365 notches carved along its outside rim and 52 corresponding notches along the inside.

But that was not to be the final chapter of red-haired giants in Nevada.

In February and June of 1931, two very large skeletons were found in the Humboldt dry lake bed near Lovelock, Nevada.

One of the skeletons measured 8.5-feet tall and was later described as having been wrapped in a gum-covered fabric similar to Egyptian mummies. The other was nearly 10-feet long.

[Nevada Review-Miner newspaper, June 19, 1931.]

INCREDIBLE NEW FIND:

This is absolutely HUGE….and it guts the wimp-out of Dr Dennis Stanford of the Smithsonian who under (doubtless Jewish/Mormon) pressure, and as an obedient fed-government employee, came up with the lame reasoning  that “we don’t even know if the Solutreans of the Ice Age (22,000-17,000 BC) left any descendants at all among modern Europeans…..” This is the same group of “scientists” at the Smithsonian who completely covered up the Johnson Canyon mummies found in BORED HOLES in solid sandstone cliffs near Kanab, Utah in the early 70’s!!!

Well, it seems the European “Solutreans” surely still had descendants in 5000 BC in Florida!

Back in 1984, a building contractor working near Windover Pond in the area of Titusville, Florida came upon NEARLY TWO HUNDRED  well-preserved ANCIENT skeletons and bodies! They had been buried at the bottom of a pond and the pond bottom had become peat, which as elsewhere in the world preserved their bodies in the most amazing manner.

178 bodies in the peat, dated at around 5000 BC,  were WHITE-SKINNED CAUCASIANS, some with intact brains, clothed in very complex woven textiles! This sight is very near Cape Canaveral!

IMAGINE — they sat on the DNA testing of who these mummies actually were until just recently!

Look from the time from 6:20 to the end of this video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2OIfcA6hWw&NR=1

Here is the expert shown on the video.
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Prof Joseph Lorenz

Department of Anthropology

Central Washington University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Washington_University)

(509) 963-3448 (office)

lorenzj@cwu.edu

(Maybe soon he will be selling bags of oranges at the interstate off-ramp, fired for telling the truth that these skeletons are of EUROPEANS FROM 5000 BC ;-) )

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2OIfcA6hWw&NR=1

As Hungarian-American George Kadar, a contributing editor (especially on “ancient white Americans”) to The Barnes Review magazine wrote me (slightly edited):

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Needless to say, the Establishment boys are freaking out and after realizing that further excavation cannot be avoided they are sending in their best-paid prominent character, Glen H. Doran, to do the damage control for them.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/mar/04/scientists-urge-full-scale-excavation-of-vero/

Doran was the one who was (mis)managing the extremely important recoveries at Windover, Florida.

A whopping 168 fully preserved skeletons under water, soft tissue of the brains still in the skulls in most cases, aged 7,000 to 8,000 years!

Doran simply refused to do the DNA tests or to take a stand on the racial characteristics of the Windover group!!!
Furthermore, check out this incredible website: http://www.first-americans.blogspot.com  Especially take note of the “Spirit Cave” discoveries made near Fallon, Nevada.

I grew up in Hawthorne, Nevada — and was intimately aware of the “Spirit Cave” discoveries.  To the local Mormons in the Fallon Stake in the 60’s and 70’s, this was PROOF of the Book of Mormon — a mummy of an ancient Nephite with fine linen clothing.  As a young boy, I accompanied my father and others numerous times to the “Spirit Cave” site.  Now, through DNA testing — we find it is NOT a “Nephite” from the Middle East – but is conclusively a European Caucasian.

True

In Central Utah, a gentleman named John Brewer discovered a hidden cave a few decades ago.

This cave contained two mummified bodies in an elaborate sarcophagus.  Additionally, there was a stone table covered with engraving tools.  Walls of the cave consisted of stone boxes filled with strange engraved metal plates.

Here are just a few pictures of Mr. Brewer’s controversial discoveries. (The official LDS (Mormon) Church believes these artifacts are fraudulent, and has ex-communicated members for becoming involved in such things.  However, I personally believe that Mr. Brewer (now deceased) was completely honest and genuine in every way.)

To date, “Johnny Brewer’s Cave” of mystery remains undisturbed and silent, awaiting the spotlight of HONEST researchers and historians.

Drawing of the room, the  stone table and male and female mummies

While living in Cedar City, Utah – I, A. True Ott, became intimately acquainted with Mr. Brandt Child of Kanab Utah.  On numerous occasions, I accompanied him on “excavation attempts” on his property near Kanab, Utah.  I can personally attest to the facts outlined in the following bizarre story printed in The Spectrum Newspaper, April 13, 2010.

Tales of gold haunt lake near Kanab

The Spectrum – St. George, Utah

Date: Apr 13, 2010
Start Page: 1
Section: C
Text Word Count: 1164
Document Text

Russell W. Estlack

Montezuma’s Revenge

In the summer of 1914, Freddy Crystal, an excited young man on a bicycle, rode into a small town in Southern Utah. He was waving an old newspaper clipping of Mexican petroglyphs and a map he found in an old book.

It wasn’t long before a crowd gathered around him. He explained that an old medicine man down in Mexico interpreted the symbols for him and directed him to caves in Johnson Canyon.

“In those caves,” the old man said, “you will find Montezuma’s treasure.”

Freddy obtained a grubstake and headed for the canyon. He dug holes and sank exploratory shafts. After eight years of backbreaking work, he uncovered an old tunnel that was sealed with crude bricks and mortar.

When the news of the discovery reached Kanab, the residents of the town went wild.

For the next several weeks, the townspeople worked at clearing the entrance. They broke through and entered a big room that contained bones, a few artifacts and another tunnel.

At the end of the second tunnel they found a room with a sacrificial alter, a handful of pre-Columbian artifacts and a large human skeleton propped up in a sitting position against a wall.

They searched the caves for more than a year, but came up empty-handed.

Freddy left the area and headed to Mexico. Two years later, he returned to Kanab with more detailed maps and information. Treasure fever gripped the town again and a large base camp was established in Johnson Canyon.

After two years of frantic searching there was still no gold.

Freddy spent long hours poring over the maps and one morning he announced he’d made a mistake. They were looking in the wrong place. The treasure was hidden in Angel Canyon, not Johnson Canyon.

With their dreams shattered, the good people of Kanab packed their gear and trudged back to town.

Every now and then, someone would go back to Johnson Canyon to search for the treasure, but as far as most folks in Kane County were concerned, the issue of Montezuma’s gold was as dead as Montezuma himself.

Most of the townspeople gave up the quest for gold, but there were those who believed there might be some truth to Freddy’s story.

Haunted waters

In the spring of 1989, Brandt Child, a long-time resident of Kanab, developed a theory that the skeleton, the altar, the artifacts and the petroglyphs in Johnson Canyon were designed to draw attention away from the real hiding place.

Six miles north of Kanab, in Three Lakes Canyon, Child discovered an Aztec treasure symbol carved in the cliffs above the lake. It was a circle with an arrow pointing down and indicating a water trap.

Despite the rumors that had circulated throughout Southern Utah for many years that the largest of the three lakes was haunted, Child purchased the property.

Tony Thurber, a long-time friend of Child, made an exploratory dive. He discovered a long, narrow opening into a tunnel. Thirty feet into the tunnel, he became disoriented in the heavy turbulence caused by strong currents. After many harrowing moments, he managed to find his way back to the surface.

Thurber agreed to make another dive, but this time he tied a rope around his leg. He became concerned when the line went limp and within minutes he surfaced again.

Child insisted the rope was taut the entire time Thurber was in the water. Thurber refused to dive again.

A team of professional divers made their first dive on June 22, 1989. Their sonar detectors indicated a tunnel 100 feet long, ending in an 80-foot chamber. The sonar also registered a heavy concentration of metal at the end of the tunnel.

Since it was late in the afternoon, an exploratory dive was scheduled for the next morning. That night, one of the divers, Russ, had a strange dream in which he swam alone into the tunnel. He was greeted by an Aztec warrior who hurled a spear at him as he surfaced.

Russ made the first dive of the day in the early morning light. He was 60 feet into the tunnel when he started screaming into his intercom, “Get me out! Get me out! There’s eerie figures all around me. I’m bein’ choked. I can’t breathe, get me out!”

Child and the other divers pulled Russ from the water. He was pale and shaking all over. It took him several hours to calm down.

The divers tried again two weeks later with identical results. Each time a diver went into the lake, they experienced the same choking sensation and saw the ghostly figures. When they came out of the water, they said they would never dive in that lake again.

Child decided to drain the lake but again was thwarted by outside forces. It turned out the lake is the last remaining habitat of the Kanab Golden Ambersnail.

Under the terms of the Endangered Species Act, it’s against the law to molest the mollusk or alter its habitat in any way. Killing one of the endangered snails carries a fine of up to $50,000. To insure compliance with the law, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service posted a warning sign and fenced off the lake.

In December 1991, a gaggle of geese were turned loose on the lake. Agents of the Federal Government accused the geese of eating the snails. They captured the suspects and forced them to cough up the evidence.

The perpetrators of the crime were never caught, and the geese were donated to a local animal sanctuary.

The curse

Residents of Kanab insist the lake is haunted, and they believe the Aztecs placed a curse on it. In 2001, Child was killed near Panguitch when the car he was riding in struck and killed a horse.

The horse seemed to appear out of nowhere and, to this day, no one can explain where the horse came from. His death may have been an accident, or perhaps it was the curse that killed him.

There have been many strange occurrences in Three Lakes Canyon. Witnesses have reported seeing ghostly figures wandering around the lake. Robert Child, the nephew of Brandt Child, reported that about three years ago, a young man climbed to the top of the cliff overlooking the lake. He drilled a large hole down into the treasure chamber and as night approached he went back to his motel room to sleep.

That night the young man suffered a massive heart attack and died. Was it the excitement of finding Montezuma’s gold or was it the curse of the Aztec warriors that ended his life?

Six miles north of Kanab, on Highway 89, in a small lake, the restless spirits of Aztec warriors and 100,000 endangered snails wait for the next brave soul to learn its secrets.

Russell W. Estlack is the author of four books and numerous articles on the American West. He can be contacted at 275-8315 or baron1899@yahoo.com.

 

122 Comments:

    • True-
      They say a picture is worth a thousand words. I read this story a couple of years ago and recently revisited it because I wanted to share this legend with a friend. Here is where it gets really interesting and my when my jaw went slack. Take a good and close look at one of our little endangered friends. Now do a little research on Aztec jewelry- particularly a golden necklace. When you find the picture of this necklace, please post the picture- it will undoubtedly add another layer of validity to this man’s testimony. If you are ever in need of a diving buddy, I live in Utah!
      PS- I have seen those sketches of Brewer’s mummies on Steve Quayle’s website. I believe he has them listed under the heading of “Utah Giants”? Any local Native American legends that merit his claims?
      Faithfully yours in the Everliving God and His Son the King of Kings,
      David Crain

        • Thanks, David. Oh yes, my friend, these pictures are literally the tip of giant iceberg. The “amber snails” are found only in a very few locales in South America, I understand. I was present when Childs attempted to drill into the chamber from the top of the sandstone cliff — the drill rig went into the sandstone like a hot knife through cold butter – until it reached the point near the cavern. At that point, the bit would jump and then break off. This was repeated four times – with the same result.
          Then Childs went to the west side, and began tunneling. Eventually, however, the red sandstone refused to budge — it was like trying to drill and blast a steel safe.
          It was at that point when Childs accepted there was some sort of ancient “force field” applied to the cavern. This is exactly what was experienced in Romania, as explained in the book “Transylvanian Sunrise” – by Radu Cinnamar and Peter Moon — http://www.skybooksusa.com

          Will post updates as they occur.

          T.O.

        • AJ

          Dave, could you post a link to a webpage with those pictures of Aztec necklaces you’re talking about? I’m very interested to see them and compare with the snails– thanks so much!!!

            • M. Palmer Hall

              Wow! The pervasive ignorance and mental simplicity on this page, especially in the comments section, is a real treat to behold. With the enormity of the web you’d think displays of such immense soft-headedness from so many individuals in concert would be more common but this one really breaks the mold! It’s almost like satire but you’re all actually serious.

              The obvious Mormon claiming not to be a Mormon, having a convenient and public ‘whoa how’d old Joe know that?’ moment. No normal person (read: not mormon person) is ever impressed with Joe Smith or Mormonism in general. Joe was a MASTER MASON, they have reading/study materials in their lodges that you can’t find in a library, your temple ceremony was copied (almost verbatim) from Masonic ceremony (he was Master Mason before he ever produced the temple rites). To the rest of the world you guys look like what the Scientologists look like to you. “They should know better, its just such obvious BS..” Get on YouTube and search “book of abraham” and watch 1or 2 videos critical of the topic, fix your head.

              And the reply OP gave fake-non-mormon’s post about necromancy? Good God man, there is no talking to the dead otherwise getting away with murder just became impossible and last I checked? Very possible. Easy even. And your assertion that the Mormons pay the Smithsonian to keep this hush-hush is so cute but misguided. You know those Mormon fools will actually call the Smithsonian from time to time, asking if they can help them find important dig sites with their Book of Mormon? You know what the Smithsonian says right back? “No, we don’t want your help because the Book of Mormon is not a historical document..” Oh and the link you provide in your OP to the 2002 National Geographic article, you might want to actually go read that article… it isn’t what you claim, at all (elephant-esque fossils found, not giant Cyclops humans you tool). And your picture of the Lovelock giant mummy is actually a picture of Ramses II, reverse image search confirms it (make a note to go for a less famous/recognizable mummy when lying in the future).

              Next we have little miss PHD in… “forensic archaeology?” Forensic.. archeology..? Do you know what these two words mean? Your desire to be a certain TV character is painfully transparent, Bones, also I’m pretty sure only Google employees get the @google.com email, you’ve got @gmail.com most likely but who knows really since your writing in general paints you as a completely inept short-bus kid. How do you get a PHD, even the fictitious variety found in your possesion, with a 1st or 2nd grade grasp of our language? I have yet to even meet someone that has English as a second language demonstrate the vast incapability you do at typed communication. Stay in school.

              I could go on but this is getting pretty long so I just want to finish with a thank you. My message might sound angry or hostile but you’ve all made my morning, God you’re all hilarious and I can’t believe no one’s really called you out on it until now.

        • Russell Estlack

          Do you know where the artifacts from Johnson canyon are now? Are the artifacts in the photos on this web page the artifacts from the cave? How can I contact the person who now has these artifacts?

          Please call me at (435) 275-8315.

        • MRSWHOUSTON

          IM NOT RACIST BUT WHY DO WHITE PEOPLE ALWAYS TRY TO THROW THEM SELVES INTO THE WORLD THAT MAYANS AND AZTEKS WERE LIVING IN B4 THEY GOT HERE THAT I HATE SO MUCH TALKING ABOUT IT WAS A EUROPEAN BODY FROM B.C FUCK YALL BASTARD DAMN ALWAYS TRYING TO SAY OH THE WHITES WERE HERE B4 HOW IS WE WERE CORRECTION ALREADY BUILT TEMPLES THAT YOU BASTARD CAMEE AND TRIED TO TAKE OVER ..

            • Daud

              I find it amazing that europeans are now trying to claim that which was already here as always. I believe that the 200 bodies found were Natives of this land which were never white.

            • Liza

              So ignorant . The thrueth is there a lot we have yet to discover we are still in our infancy in that dept.
              I take what these archeologist say with a grain of salt . I believe there is a cover up and there are very ancient things still buried and sometimes hidden from the masses

            • Phygmint

              These were redheads. I don’t know a lot of darker skinned people who have red hair. And they’ve been found all over the world, which makes it even more curious.

              But apart from that, I think the point here is that stuff is being covered up. This isn’t a conspiracy to minimize dark-skinned people, it’s an effort to ask “What the heck were these people doing here and why isn’t anyone being given the chance to know about it?” We don’t know a lot about the migration of people in North America. The fact that the indigenous people that we know of ARE darker skinned just makes this more of a mystery.

              Those who are looking for the truth aren’t interested in the color of skin, they’re interested in why stuff goes into the Smithsonian and never comes out.

            • Truth be known

              Aztecs, Incas, Mayans all show up in a fairly recent time. They took over others lives,buildings and land, that where there before them. (Damn Bas-turds!) Even the most famous tribe, the Souix took over the Black Hills and called it ‘our ancient land’,’sacred ancestral’ when they in fact came from east of the Mississippi. The NAVAJO NAZIS practiced genocide against the Anasazi (look up Sacred Ridge,Durango,Colorado) even though the Navajo word Anasazi means (Anaa–enemy, Sazi–ancestor) the Nazi Navajo have total controll of the bones. All Dark Hair Indians are Asian transplants. The true ‘natives’ are Mastadons,Horses, and Camels. Princess Winnemucca in her 1883 book ‘Life among the Paiutes’ wrote that there was a Red Hair tribe living in Nevada before her Nazi Paiute tribe migrated there. She wrote about her tribe practicing genocide against that Red Hair tribe of over 2,000 men,women and children because they were not like them.That is extreme racism. She wrote about her tribe saving the Red Hair and making a dress out of it. (Sounds a lot like the Nazis)
              The Nazis were extreme nationalist who believed in the superiority of their race. They believed in a totalitarian government, where all opposition is ruthlessly put down. Maybe they got their ideas from American Indians.
              Thanks to modern tribes and congress ancient bones can not be tested for DNA. To think every bone in the ground is your ancestor is strange to me.The truth may never be known. The Nazis may win.

            • Truth be known

              In modern times when you see a red haired person they get your attention. Why? Because it is a rare sight. Something like 3% of the earths population has the gift of red hair. 3% out 7 billion people. The majority from North America, Northern Europe and Northern Asia. Even among White Europeans Red Hair is Rare. I would like to know what% of pure blood Asian/American/Indians from South America to Alaska have Red Hair? Or are taller than 5’8

            • Truth be known

              There are A LOT of RACIST BLACK ADVOCATES that say the Greeks were black, the Romans were black, the Egyptians were black, BLA,BLA,BLA,BLA,BLA. If someone built it they were black. But its funny how little was built in Black Sub Sahara Africa. Or how little was built between north Asia and middle USA. The East coast having the oldest and most building. (Rock shelters in Penn, Ny,Mass,Platform mounds around mouth of Mississippi then moving north,Windover Bog People) Knowing is half the battle,knowledge is being held hostage in boxes at Florida State U. and good ole D.C.

            • william danials

              White Black Yellow or Green . Are the same no matter what Continent they came from. all prayed on the weak and took their lands its still going on in the 3rd world. but every one talks about the whites Europeans for some reason.

              For what reason I don’t know but white Europeans were just more advanced with there weapons and ability’s back in the day.

        • joseph

          I would like to introduce the idea that ‘giants are giant’ but ‘men of renown are like Einstein or Tesla, and no taller than any other man’. The Nephilim are not ‘giants’ nor are they ‘men of renown’. By what the Nephilim did came both sets, ie: like the twin brothers of Isaac were Jacob and Esau….born at the same time but truly opposite in nature and appearance. Nephilim ‘mated’ by dna research. They were here after the flood of Noah and are still here today. Why is the world so technological…more so than spiritual? They are a technological race and hide well in technological societies, not primitive societies. In primitive societies, such as the cowboy days of old America, these Nephilim would have stuck out like a sore thumb…But, give them a techie society and they blend right in….America has been a good cover for them…and Europe too.

    • I will get a copy of the book-sounds fascinating. So, Edgar C. was right! When he envisioned a hall of records under a sphinx- right critter, wrong country?
      The Aztec necklace is said to reside at the Dumbarton Oaks Research Library and Collection in Washington DC. Thanks for the recent show on the mysterious state of Utah!

      Respectfully,

      David

    • yenogloshi

      Howdy all. On seeing the recent interest in teh Montezuma’s Treasure, and Brandt Child, I thought I would comment.
      I was raised in Kanab, surrounded by all the stories and legends of Montezuma’s Gold. I can tell you of at least 10 families who seriously claim they “Know where the gold is, but won’t dig it up because they would have to pay taxes on it.” Really? the 10-25% finders fee for ancient treasure isn’t enough for you, considering it would be in teh tens of millions?.
      Second, although most of the stories above are true, the dive stories are not. I have personally spoken to two of the divers Mr. Child’s hired. There is no tunnel. There are two old cars at the bottom, however.

      Third, I know the people who did the drilling. I have spoken to them many times. They never broke a drill bit. And they didn’t “Come up with bits of parchment, papyrus and gold” attached to a drill bit, either.

      Last, as someone who would know, the only person who died of a heart attack that fits the description of the young man in Robert Child’s story was a tourist….who hit his head on teh bottom of a hotel pool while diving in. And he was with a tour group. If you have doubts, ask the local morticians. They are the ONLY mortuary in teh county, and have to transport ALL Medical Examiner cases to SLC. Guess what? They have NEVER transported anyone like that. Call em. Mosdell Mortuary, Kanab, Utah.

      Oh, yes. Just so you know. True or not, I still like the mystery. I have spent several days over the years diging sand out small tunnels in the Johnson Canyon site. And I will go back out and do so again. I don’t care if I ever find anything, I just like the exploration.

      Enjoy!!

        • The man who had a heart attack was a Well Driller by the name of Wayne Cox who lived in Arizona. The story of a piece of gold on the drill bit was what Wayne Cox found 40 years earlier while exploring for gold in another place. Brandt Child just borrowed it for his story.

          I grew up in Kanab, Utah and Wayne Cox is my Uncle! Brandt’s B.S. is not true when he told me how the old driller died and before he died he was witness to the gold artifacts! What Brandt did not know was while Uncle Wayne was working on the site I got the real truth from him. I swam in that Lake a lot when I was a child, I even went too deep one time and encountered some of those large Cat fish at the low part, it sure frightened me and I swam to the surface as fast as I could. I still own property a half a mile South from Brandt Child’s place known as “The Sand Caves”.

          One time Brandt Child asked me to do a story on his place (for the paper) and to indicate that the Aztec treasure was there, so he could get a better price from it. I of course declined!

          Another thing is that (unknown to Brandt) Ross W LeBaron JR and some of his children (scuba divers) entered the Lake (at night with a large search light) and went down that tunnel and cleaned out some moss and that is all they found.

          Also I am a professional in the field of detection and I did a thorough scan for Brandt when he was alive and believe me there in nothing but sand stone, water, fish, snails and old car bodies in that Lake! my web page is http://www.terrafirmaassayers.com
          Sincerely, Robert

            • I am Robert and am making a comment on my own comment. As some of you know my business is detecting underground or underwater values for people. Over the years I have improved my methods a lot. Some types of soil has been difficult to penetrate with my equipment and so I finally decided to re-check the “Three Lake” place owned by Child’s and I did truly get a reading, but it is not Aztec, but Egyptian!

              Sincerely, Robert

        • Yenogloshi,
          I interviewed Brant Childs years ago with an interest in doing a documentary fllm about the lost Montezuma treasure. Do you remember the names of the divers you interviewed and would you mind sharing trhe information with me?
          Kieth Merrill
          kwmerrill@gmail.com

            • TJ

              I do not understand why the person who wrote this post had to blame Jews/Mormons for keeping the Smithsonian quiet. Those two religions do not have any power over the Smithsonian. It is a ridiculous statement and accusation.
              If there is proof of this then present the proof.

            • Think not? Just look at who established the “Smithsonian”, and more importantly who has funded it from its inception. FOLLOW THE MONEY, and perhaps you will find your answer.

              The New Yorker magazine exposed just one such incident with the billionaire Koch family – buying off the Smithsonian’s exhibit process.

              Stay tuned – I will be exposing a huge Smithsonian archeological coverup that will make your head spin!!! Who benefits from keeping the lid on such amazing discoveries? The Mormon Church, for one – when the discovery totally disproves Joe Smith’s Book of Mormon. Who loses?? The honest people of the world. There is simply NO REASON to keep archeological discoveries hidden and under cover of darkness.

              The fact is, the Smithsonian has kept the lid on this story since 1910. WHY???

    • Dustin

      I would like any info available. I and a group of my friends having diving gear and would like to dive at the site. I cant find much info on the actual location of the lakes so please let me know.

        • The lake is directly to the west of U.S. highway 89 – about ten miles north of Kanab, Utah. It is called 3 lakes – and the site in question is the southernmost lake. Keep in mind that this is fenced and private property — and you will need permission to dive there.

    • Constantin

      Hi all

      I am romanian and i live 20 km near Sinaia , close to the romanian Sfinx.
      I’m not aware of any chamber under the Sfinx but i know that in the mountains some times strange things happens. We have a road that who climb and if you shut down the engine of the car and release the breaks the car will climb by it self whit all the people inside. That is valid for the big trucks also.
      In Bucegi mountains people disapear sometimes whitout a trace, many people says that we have a time portal or a interdimensional traveling portal, which is active…but cannot be located . Is possible to be mobile and changing the location

        • I would highly recommend contacting Mr. Peter Moon, who distributes the book, “Transylvanian Sunrise”. http://www.skybooksusa.com/books/pmoon.htm will get you there. The book discusses many similar anomalies. Please let us know what you think of it, if you haven’t read it already!!!!!
          Also, the non-fiction book “Hunt for the Skinwalker” by Kelleher can also be purchased at http://www.amazon.com This is an incredible read, and I personally know this to be factual in the extreme. Thanks, Constantin, for joining the blog!!

            • Constantin

              I find your blog very interesting. I will try to contact Mrs. Peter Moon , i want people to know what is realy happening because many officials try to hide the true.
              Thanks for your support.
              I haven’t red the Transilvanian sunrise , only a brief description .

    • Andrea Psoras

      HI True, the drawings of the room,the female and male individuals look very Norse. and their caucasian origins, their red hair and their size again, sound like they’re norse. there were norse/viking settlements/encampments found as far inland as north central US and there on the border with canada, and these were perhaps 1000 ad or so. but the dragon heads look again,norse and so do the people. the norse had a very fierce reputation while marauding through northern europe including the early regions now in germany and norther france, etc. very violent, and tribal with a main leader, etc. they only got traction after Rome was weak and dissipated and spread too thin.

    • More proof of American Indian contact with giants- right under our noses……
      If you have ever watched an old western movie, then you probably remember the way introductions were done between white man and red man. Each would raise their hand and say, “HOW!” On the surface, this simply looks like a customary, “HI.” However, the history behind this gesture is much deeper. The indians were actually making sure that the white man had 5 fingers and not 6!

        • Firedrake

          Very true David. if you research the old newspaper articles you wil find that the “Giants” had some very distinguishing charecterististics including six fingers an/or toes, double dentition, and sloping foreheads. It seems to me that generally, the older the skeletons, the larger they seem to be.
          Josh Reeves at theglobalreality.com has been doing research into the Rockwall in Rockwall TX and has made some very interesting discoveries. He has also just put out a movie dealing with this huge 20 mile structure (buried 70 feet deep according to the landsat images.) Josh believes – with research to back it up – that these giants were the Amorites that came from the middle east. There is a 22 minute teaser to the film at his website that is very intrigueing and woth a look.
          I find this subject fascinating, but apparently the Smithsonian has been carting off the evidence of these finds and hiding it away or dumping the artifacts in the ocean. They have stolen the heritage of the people of the Untied States and destroyed it !
          One more thing, watch out for the photoshopped fakes that are making the rounds online. There is an active dis-information campaign in progress to discredit any existance of a giant race on this planet.
          Happy researching 🙂

    • J. edward

      You’re a complete idiot

        • zora

          why J. edward? 😉

          I found just ‘by chance’ this story.
          I am just wondering..even if all is true…it is strange that this red hair-giants were concored by spanish ‘liliputians’..
          and where are now all these ppl from the past with ‘magic powers’..even those today..so what?
          they all have to die one day…
          or maybe not?

        • Be cautious when name calling- some of us have the Holy Spirit as our pilots. By the way, check out the video Chuck Missler has done on the Nephilim. You will see that he concurs with my statements above.

            • Robert Shrewsbury

              I have read this many times now, but it is still interesting!

              I have detected some 15 of these “Egyptian” finds in Southern Utah. Maybe some day I can dig and take a look!

              Robert

            • Robert Shrewsbury

              Robert Shrewsbury 435-287-8399

              There are a lot of very interesting Archeological sites in Utah and Arizona that are clearly Egyptian type, but there are also a lot of laws that prohibit excavation unless you are willing to get an Attorney and jump through a maze of legal hoops. Besides I suspect that there is a an upper level consensus in the Government to suppress the truth from the ancient past.

              I had a Forensic done on a parchment that came out of Jonson Canyon (8 miles from Kanab, Ut) and it turned out to be Egyptian type and very old.

              I know a fellow that let me detect on his property, because he had found unusual items. I detected such a large volume of metal there that it staggers the mind, but he is fearful that if the State knew that they would interfere with his work there and he may lose some of his property, because it may become a protected area.

              I suggested to him that he get a good Attorney and find out the parameters for sure.

              True, can you please give me a call at 435-287-8399

              Sincerely, Robert

    • SEAN C ALLY

      HEY TRUE; this story reminds me of the excavation at RockWall,Texas of a rock wall .The community that was namesd for the rockWall that forms a retangle fort of ten miles square. 1890 newpaper articles record accounts of giant skulls and giat sized axe. Chambers built along the RockWall which when part of it(the wall ) was excavated showed the wall to be 20-30 feet under the surface earth and 50 feet tall. Built upon a layer of ash,several inches thick .That was found to be part of a consistant layer tied to that period in geoligical time. the local scientists estimated the site and the intact sea life specimins to be 10,000-12,000 years old.This was another place where several artifact of unknown language glyphs were confiscated and the site was closed down by the town official without explaination. no further permits were issued and seems like an open secret that most of the inhabitants of RockWall are unaware of. except the old timers.Have you heard of this ? Ironic or not- This was the same place that was the site of the first “X-Files ” movie that had a theme aliens unearthed in a chamber -labyrinth by accident during some utility co.excavation project.-Please look into this inthe way that only you can-thanks for all the past stories and info.

    • David Allen

      FYI – I went to a link (Euopean Sleletons 5000 Years old) posted above and got this on Youtube. ( not surprised ) Much coverup goes on and on and on
      “DNA of The Florida Windover…”
      This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated due to multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement from claimant:
      •The Solstice Project

    • Fascinating. I stumbled upon this article while doing some research for a fiction novel I am writing. As an amateur genealogist, I’ve been studying my families for a couple of years including one branch of Norwegian Homesteaders. I recently took a DNA test and found that along with British Isles and Scandinavian DNA I also carry Finnish/Volga/Ural and Persian/Turkish/Caucasus DNA which was a surprise. I’ve been studying the migrations of people groups and am fascinated by the migrations of Vikings and Pre Viking types. I see evidence in both mythologies of certain groups as well as more scientific findings that corroborate Viking settlements and it seems plausible from my limited studies that Vikings could have had more than a transient presence in the Americas. While it is unsettling to some to say it – we pretty much all came from somewhere else – few of us are truly indigenous people.

        • The writing of Joseph of Arimathea documents the Six Kings (Roman numeral VI-Kings) movement from Palestine to the “Lands Northward”. These are the ancestors of the Danes (the King Dan) of Denmark (Dan’s Mark) the Fins of Finland, and the Swedes and Swiss. This is the TRUE “Israel”. The imposters calling themselves “jews” today are in reality the descendants of Cain and Esau – aka “Edomites”. This is WHY they control the world’s archeology findings and keep them “forbidden”.

          All a matter of control.

          Best of luck with your book.

          Thanks for posting.

          T

        • Interesting genealogy… my closest male relative is R1a1a Y DNA from northeastern Germany by the Baltic Sea. In comparing others with this type I find my closest match is from the Kassan area along the Volga R in Russia (Tartarstan), with only 5 markers difference out of 67 markers. I think my ancestor may have come up the Volga R with Vikings to the Baltic about 1000 years ago. I see you have DNA ancestor types from the Volga R. also.

    • Jennifer

      Come on, let’s leave the name calling out of it. Not all Jewish people do bad things, kay. That’s like saying that all Mormons are secretly marrying several people at once even the Mormons who say they are married to only one person. I’m not saying don’t bring up the subject, just be thoughtful in regards to generalizations.

        • Nobody’s “name calling” – just accurately identifying. Esau’s (remember him, the brother of Jacob) descendants became known as “Edom” (red) and thus “Edomites”. They have vengeance and terror in their very DNA. They are the authors of “Red” (Edom) Communism, and most every other unholy and impure activity including porn and sex slavery. Of course not all “Edomites” engage in this, but when you dig deep and find who is in control – these parasites crawl out from the rock EVERY TIME.

          And don’t forget Jesus – he didn’t mince words in identifying these members of the “Synagogue of Satan”.

            • Leah

              Jesus was Jewish. How can one be a Christian and hate the Jewish people? Jesus and almost all of his first followers were Jewish.

            • See, that’s the big misconception. It is true that Christ was born/raised in the Hebrew RELIGION, not the modern “jewish” bloodline – which is Khazar from Eastern Europe – aka Gog and Magog in the biblical bloodline. The Khazars embraced judaism in the 7th century, and then altered it with their earlier pagan ritual customs.

        • I’m with Jennifer about the name calling. Now a few will be calling me names. I have heard them all. Don’t care. I new johnny brewer not a lot but I knew him. He sold a rock tablit to my best friend with all kinds of old old writing on it for 2,500.$ It was fake from the word go. He sold one to the goverment trapper, it to was fake also. Certen people found all of his gear for making these things in his house. Guy Gordon Young Ephraim Utan

    • I have a phd,in forensic archaeology,I stumbled on2 ur site. I have discov ered Authentic ancientg egyptian symbols of the eternity sign & eye of Horus,its a mark of the ‘dead’,to live eternaly! colorado springs.
      also iv been on Coast 2 Coast about a city of giants iv discovered here thats crushed under flood debries!
      contact me @ mail if u wish. lexx6669@google.com
      if u need an archaeologist contact me,I will work for gas & lodeging!

        • That is very interesting! I assume you’re referring to Colorado Springs? The giant skeleton I personally discovered, with two sets of teeth, six fingers, six toes, was near the Utah/Colorado border.

          We need to meet – along with Mr. Shrewsberry.

          T

    • ur asumption is correct,colorado spings,
      i was on coast 2 coast about the unusualy large stone carved skull thativ left inseti now for almost 25 yrs,before I got my phd.
      I tried 2 send pictures but there site required a fee,first.

    • you know that an sister of one of the Cleopatra’s,left Egypt,and settled a land she called; Scootia.
      as in Scot land,its been spelled ,Scootland. the o sounds like the whole , oh,,sound.
      i forget the meaning .I think it was freedom.
      there was striff between the two princesses,and one took her group & left.
      theres,a book w/the title about it.

    • Jim

      It would be wonderful if your webpage would fit within the window. I need to scroll left and right as I read. If I shrink the text down so I can hardly read it, I can get it to fit, but then it’s useless. And I have good vision! It is rare that I find a website where this happens. I don’t know why this happens, but a website specialist shouldn’t have a problem changing it so one could make the text larger and it will still fit within the window.

    • docBonez

      Iv been A web developer,just built more pages in the last few days,im looking @ this screan w/no problem right now! on a cell phone.
      I know for a fact it is a software issue somewhere,@ some end,I would think the P.C.device u ar on. excuse the pun,,u need more Adobe’, its always nice to have Netscape,Nvidia, to see full pages! but adobe’ is the stuff.

    • misti

      WOW!
      I am a 38 year old woman, I have a rather large bone structure for a woman am 5′ 9″, red hair,had a foot with six toes on it that was removed at 5 months of age, born and raised in Utah. This story of what the giants look like gave me chills. Could there possibly be descendants of them?

        • Jillian

          This is so interesting! I live in Iceland and just recently have had conversations regarding the fact that there are quite a few very large, very strong men and women is this country. Iceland has won the ‘strongest man’ contests around the world for many years now and with their Viking heritage this comes as no surprise. Related to that, there is a well known saga about a man whose father was half giant and half troll and his mother was human. You can read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bárðar_saga_Snæfellsáss It is interesting to note that scholars believe the ‘half giant/half troll’ bit to be only a legend, which is not surprising. But the people of Snæfellnes peninsula, where this story takes place, are very open minded on the subject. Having been sheltered from much of modern day thinking until fairly recently, it is no wonder that most of the population do not question the veracity of stories of giants/trolls which has been chronicled in the Icelandic sagas of the 14th century. I did not believe in any of this stuff (being brought up in the States) until I came to Iceland, but now I myself have started to be much more open minded on the subject.

    • SuziLondon

      Hi

      Am from the UK.
      I have cousins who are born with six fingers and six toes. It is a genetic trait within their family. And yes they are taller than average. Another genetic trait in their family (which luckily they do not have) Is a disorder where they grow too tall at puberty 7-8 ft. But puts strain on the heart and the affected die young. They are irish but not red haired.

      I think there certainly was giants and some people still carry part of the genetic trail.

    • The giants with red hair are known in japan, as Yasha. They are not human and they still exist today, though not where people can see them. For a general term they are not all the same, though called Nephilim they were known in ancient times as well. When they breed with humans or have bred with humans their are genetic traces left behind in the family line. They are six fingers and/or six toes, abnormal body hair usually all over, lower intelligence and IQ rates, and cranial ridge growth from increased bone mass.

      The Yasha were part of Buhda’s contigency in fighting demons. They tend to like to boil things in large pots, even humans. If you keep your eyes open you will find that they truly exist and are not some myth or legend. They are in every culture and have many names from bigfoot to wendigo.

      As for people with magic powers the only thing I can say is is this. How long have you believed that all these myths and legends were not real and who is to say that since you believe that you do not have magic powers does not mean that you do or do not have them. Question everything.

      In order to learn you must be as a child, open to all possibilities without bias or disbelief.

    • May I simply just say what a relief to discover someone who really understands what they are talking about on the web.
      You certainly understand how to bring a problem to light and make it important.
      More people must check this out and understand this side of your story.
      I can’t believe you’re not more popular because you most certainly
      possess the gift.

    • james

      I am in southwest az found lots of 2 and 3 piece stone totems working tools and no info ,can any one give me a clue got pics if any one would like to see . thanks james

    • docbonez

      i volentiered to work foor these guys for free,never heard anything from theyre web site,this last few months.
      the couple do look to be wealthy Norse,in dress,hair & clothes.
      the metalic plates look like Templates,,,to be copied into simple sand,wax,or on pauperous paper with charcoal.so that the drawings and runes could be eternal.
      I think the Vikings were basic ‘white’,and early great explorers,because they built boats & persued that,,,instead of war.
      ………………………..doc Bonez……………….

    • Scott

      The more this has captured my interest and the more I look into it the more I find that all the videos people post to look at on their websites are blocked for “copyright infringment”. I’m definitely starting to feel like people are trying to hide something from us.

    • MBH

      What’s to say that these finds are not Nephite? Are you aware that the pure Judaeans were often white with red hair and blue eyes? And that they were the Hyksos of Egypt? And that they were well-travelled, carried a giantism gene in their bloodline, and probably came from Europe to begin with? Science is looking for Nephites to have Semitic/Babylonian/middle eastern DNA, but a real understanding of who the true Israelites were prior to mixing with Babylonians and Assyrians is crucial to determining who the race was that preceded the Indians/”Not -so-Native Americans”. We know for sure from the Burrows Cave artifacts that the Egyptians/Mauritanian arrived here at east 50 B.C., and maintained an empire from South America to Arizona to Nova Scotia, centered in southern Illinois until almost 500 A.D. We know this because their writing has been found in all these places and has recently been decyphered. We know that several cultures were here at the same time. So we need to consider the idea that Nephites were one of these cultures, though perhaps not generally known as Nephites.

    • DOCBONEZ

      i saw a comment abt,”fakes”.
      thats why there are Uniiversities,w/labs.Most of us have simple items in our houses,cars,garages that could make good ‘fakes’.
      simple testing @ the local U,can rule this out or you can make your own lab at home. Ive developed simple tools for testing,different colored lights,infa-red,Black light,tanning bulbs,and strong Tri Focal glasses,& lenses I pulled out of a 61″ Sony projection system! they get me to glimpsing points,where I can look for old evidence.
      …………..these items here,I blew up on my P.C. picture,,they DONT LOOK LIKE FAKES!!
      have a nice day guys!
      ………………………………………DOC BONEZ……………………………….

    • remember even those ‘sons of God’ in Genesis which lusted for and mixed with the daughters of men, women’s pelvic bones cannot pass the heads of large men, unless there are large women.

      if the women are not as large and notice they’re only finding the skeletons of large men, in order for the large creature to pass through a birth canal, and meanwhile the head of any new born is soft, and will mold, that’s possible how men then and in what was found in wisconsin had elongated heads if they were born in this earth.

      in order for a woman’s body to pass a large skull, the woman would have to be killed or the soft head, elongated in order to pass out of her body.

    • hdsnake867

      Fake or real, the questions remain: Why are there no remains of a world wide chain of “Big & Tall” shops? These giants had to buy their clothes somewhere. Also, why isn’t there any evidence of some sort of organized basketball from 5000 years ago?

    • Docbonez

      follow up,on;the coverage of “white peoples”.
      YOUR RIGHT!!!
      The first peoples,,Were a legand in ‘the Bible’,comeing from -God.
      And,,,first evidence covered up…….Aliens,,or other wordly travelers !!!!!
      ancient Pictographs all over the world depic,’others’comeing here on ships!even inside Egyptian Tombs! but THAT is COVERED UP,so that other males may gain & hold control over the populas.SHIPS were obviously-waaaay advanced,so they had to of been here first!!……..but ,,if huMans lessored our egos to that truth,it would
      be difficult then to say & beat there chests-“we are in charge here”,,and answer questions,too difficult to dream up,or excuses to hard to muster for the curious populus!!
      Earliest race of beings,were traced to a valley in the Himilayas,the one Hitler found as well,DNA Testing was done,and it was confirmed! it was documented in our decade on the disDiscovery Channel…………….They are Blue eyed BLONDES.W
      here”

    • ric 25

      In the moslem world, phanomenon and history about human with huge stature, actually is the usual thing
      we believe that Adam.As was 60 cubits ( 27.4 meters ) tall.
      Noah was 30 feet tall.
      Peoples in the early generation were giants size

    • Bob Aceton

      Yes, Noah was very large as were his children (over 30 are enumerated in old English history by Holingshed) and the non-Biblical history of the first post-deluvial generations are detailied in Greek mythology; i.e., War of the Titans, Gigantomachy, etc. It is significant that the Greeks claimed descent from Oranus’ son, Iapetos (Biblical: Japeth) and the Indians claim descent from Iyapeti (also Japeth)… Therefore Oranus must be the Biblical Noah and Oranus’ wife, Gaia, must be the mother of Shem, Ham & Japeth. Truth is stranger than fiction… coming back to the Biblical perspective. Nimrod (Ham’s grandson) is depicted in Assyrian reliefs as being about 14 feet tall holding a full grown lion with one arm and a large snake with his other hand. This is not “a religious” gesture but is reality. He was very powerful physically and his attempt to put all of Noah’s descendants under his dominion must have caused a massive flight of many peoples from the Middle East – some eventually arriving in the Western hemisphere (from both directions). Mind you, of everything I have read of the early giants, they tended to either be skittish and run to the hills or be fierce, warlike, and cruel aggressors. Not exactly either type of persona to loudly claim heritage from. I believe they were the remains of the DNA of the Nephilim that were transmitted through someone in Noah’s family.

    • john mckinney

      red hair is not a quality exclusive to white people. it is a mutation similar to and possibly related to albinism. it occures like blue eyes among all people and even among all living things (abinism). creatures with extreme prognatism and features in common with neanderthals can hardly be seen as garden variety europeans. even if their skin were as pale as the moon and their hair as red as fire. since that describes no real living person of euro-descent. i have seen pictures in national geographics of red and blond haired mummies found in the americas. to me they all look like american indians. even if their skin color were proven to be pale, there is nothing anamolous in albino indians beyond a cultural taboo, or a mystical perception of such a phenomena. i dont find it strange that there were whole tribes of giants found through out the world, anymore than i find it strange that white people are found in europe or the three toed people in south east africa. ancient people often saw strange anamolies as messages from the gods and or ancestors. it would be nothing unusual for a society to round up all those who bore such anamolies and cast them out or even kill them. also the opposite can also be the case, seeing them as messengers from the gods and diefying them. in any case, a cast out minority group will ban together for their own mutual protection fostering their own societies. granting such, all offspring within that society will carry the genetic traite of the anomoly as the dominant trait within their society. occasionally producing the original trait which may either be accepted or cast out by them as an aborration.. this behavior is seen all over the planet within every society, thus partially explaining the variatoins in race and people.

    • john mckinney

      side note: i dont altogether disagree with the alien theory. some giant skulls (the cone heads) lack the number of sutures found in human skulls. this suggest to me something “other”. whether thy were gods or the biblical nephalim giants is in fact anyones guess. whether they were black or white is entirely ones own prejudice.

    • I think it is interesting that these artifacts include engraved metal plates and the more recent population to go to that part of the world, the Mormons, did so after their prophet-founder claimed to have been given engraved metal plates and also that the Mormon mythology is rife with claims of ancient history. I personally do not accept Mormon teachings as having any validity, but I see with open enough eyes to see that there is something strange going on at a much deeper level than most people care to think about. I mean, the Mormon founder could have claimed any number of “revelations” if all he wanted to do was hoax people… so how could he have come up with such a con-incidental mythology all on his own, if he were only a young charlatan in the Eastern part of the country so long before Utah was even thought of, or these discoveries made? Hmmmmm……..

        • Oh yes – during the early 1800’s, engraved metal plates were turning up in newly plowed farmer’s fields from central New York State, to the frontiers of Ohio and Michigan with amazing regularity. Treasure- hunter Joe Smith’s fertile imagination and necromancy skills were the only legitimate thing about him. Did he access and channel spirits? Absolutely, yes he did. The Bible is very clear in condemning such practices because of the dark one’s deceptions that too often occur during the practice. (see the story of the “Witch of Endor” in Samuel). Some of the dark entities Smith accessed were undoubtedly the fallen angels – aka the “Nephilim” which were indeed giants of large stature, according to the Old Testament. Is it just a coincidence that the central figure of Smith’s mystical magic Book of Mormo (aka a KING Demon according to arch-Satanist Anton LaVey) was a similar “man of large stature” by the name of NEPHI? His people, the giant “Nephites” were completely wiped out, according to the B of M.

          The bottom line is Joe Smith didn’t “come up with the mythology all on his own”. He got it through exercising the forbidden practice of necromancy. Here’s another very strange “coincidence” for you to consider. As a young lad, Smith had multiple surgeries on the diseased bone in his leg while the family lived in Vermont, and was eventually sent to his Uncle Jesse’s farm – the original Smith Family Homestead in Salem Massachusetts to recover. A few years ago, I researched the old plat-map records of Salem, Mass. and found the Jesse Smith homestead where young Joe went to recuperate (and first began his necromancy via a spirit “tracing paper” that he carried with him till the day he died.) I was shocked to discover that today, this same exact tract of land is where Parker Brothers builds and packages OuiJa Boards!!! Talk about a Hmmmmm……!

    • Over the last five years I have found thousands of images on Google earth though over 50 countries including.ancient ruins,pyramids,crashed alien craft,giant skulls,ship wrecks,secret tunnels ,massive gold deposits.Though some may have been found in the past.I believe hundreads are undiscovered treasures.

    • tba

      19th and early 20th newspapers, etc. were often filled with hoax stories like this, proliferated by other writers, since journalistic standards were low. So you had stories about mysterious flying objects, disappearing people, Egyptian treasure at the Grand Canyon, etc., all fake and all undocumented. Then these stories were years later promulgated as “true” by other authors.

        • ah this is not a hoax story.. just because you want to think it is because of what you have already been tough and the fact you were not there when they were dug up does not mean its a hoax story.. it just means you dont want to believe it

    • Judy

      None of the links worked for me. Just a heads up. not sure when this site came out or was last updated. but the youtube videos are gone.. saying that the one who uploaded them were disabled for copyright infringement.. and there seems to be a loadblock on the rest of them..

        • Yes indeed.

          There is a “court order” against the content of this website. “Land of the Free”??? I doubt it. I don’t know how much longer this blog will be up.

          True

            • aghmm,,,,
              “newspaper”.
              started to go nationaly public in the U.S. just before the civil War.a person could get one at thyre local General store.infact it is how C.S.Lewis got his start after collage writeing fantasy childrens stories.i.e.’the looking glass’.
              most reporters back then were trying to make a name & a liveing in an art form called “writeing”.
              the only other way to ‘sell’,& make ANY CASH at all,was to pay a bookbinder/print shop out of your pocket & get a book published.then they were SOLD DOOR TO DOOR,by foot.
              Large publishing companies didnt want to invest in printing anything out of the main stream of what was opinionated as ‘standard’ & ‘aceptable’ reading!!-…that meant certian religios books,and a few others older manuscripts.
              news paper journalists were unpaid,mostly & starveing dedicated artists.they went on trips to SEE BONES,CAVES,SKULLS,on theyre own cash.and if had a camera would photograph.like most people today…we bend over backwards to report any ‘unaceptable’piece of news and sometimes this takes years!were imprisoned!or its never released at all!.
              God bless writers,one & all.
              ……………it just so happens-that,,,,,,I have met such old writers!& reporters! in my life.I have heard the stories,Ive seen thyre old dried skin & eyes of the men whom SAW THESE ARTIFACTS!!!! THEY WERE THERE!!,,and they passed the chilling truths on!!
              and…I believe them.
              I agree that sometimes,,,we read twisted information.
              on THIS CASE,,,I met witnesess.

              ………..watch the skies,inteligence is comeing back,,,,,,peace,,,,
              sincerly,DOCBONEZ.

    • terry

      Do u know where the calendar stone is? I’ve discovered a math& Geo format to space/time/mass/gravity that calculates continuum energy & removes all numerical anomalies of physics, its solves the babylon 3cycle format, match’s the Mayan calender & myth of a 10+ math system that self counts many tightly inner-twinned cycles & pattern rotations to & beyond 2,000,000, the flawless cycle patterns create a geometric blueprint that is triple 3-d & format pyramids, religious sysmbles, a mechanical system, energy physics, & a 3-d face that looks like ancient faces of warning/curse, its litterly1 geo- blueprint from a flawless math format of continuum physics that forms a triple 3-d lock box w/in a boxw/in a box ect that blueprints energy, history, faith & so much more iv found great decoding flaws in every cultures history & I’m seeking native american cultures too but can’t find much info of myths of vast wisdom in ancient north america. Iv strongly linked my math/Geo wisdom to exact Mayan Babylon Rome Chinese easter island stone templers knights templers. Hawaiian physics Einstein Tesla Egypt Hitler & all faiths in script codes & symbles from every bible verse through buddas claims of mental teleportation. It answered every culture myth, science mysteries of string d.n.a. energy all modern & ancient Calender’s & so much more.Its coded in everything to preserve wisdom far to powerful for mankind to control but to important to discard so cultures abandoned it & coded this cursed knowledge its truely universal physics wisdom to creation & destruction on a vast scale, but I greatly lack american history proof . I’d love to locate the stone w calender style carvings, a deck of cards match’s the Mayan 0-13 cycle & no1 ever figured that out, its coded in our everyday lives, proper physics wisdom unlocks the natural energy to the unulitized portions of the human minds power. Wisdom was not lost, it is cursed & was abandoned! man went from ancient engineering perfection & universal physics comprehension globally, to believing earth is flat, now man thinks math anomalies are unexplainable, math is flawless, our calculation of continuum physics is incomplete, anomalies mirror + poss./ — neg. Energy wave highs/lows proper math is an amazing numeric book of physics if vast power & I need ancient american proof of knowledge asap. T.y. 4 ur time

    • looks like you have found the “Merlins””Pandora box”!!!
      i had a dream of it once.
      you have found a depiction of Universal language!,also used in space.your right.
      I would like to know where you found it???????

    • Ray

      These giant skeletons seem t have vanished because there are people and groups who want to keep us in the dark about human evolution and will stop at nothing to keep the truth from us, I just wish we are kept up to date to what is being done to protect any new finds of these giant skeletons this should be kept in the newest news available today.

    • Last night, America Unearthed ( A show with a forensic geologist, Scott Wolter) went to the site in Kanab. Wolter met with Lon Child and asked if he could drill out a core sample. Lon’s response was a firm “No.” Then Wolter had a gentleman come to the site with an underwater rover. The silt in the tunnel was extremely bad. Wolter then asked Lon if he could drain the Lake. Of course, the answer was “No” because of the little endangered “Amber snail.” Lon proceeded to tell Wolter that each snail’s death was worth a steep $50,000! However, Lon did allow him to dive through the tunnel and attempt to vacuum out the silt with a dredge. Then, the dredge did not work as anticipated! Perhaps if they had a bigger dredge, then we could have seen the inner workings of the tunnels. But, to my knowledge, Scott Wolter did not make a connection of the amber snail with Aztec jewelry.

        • Very interesting, Dave. I guess Lon is Brandt Child’s son? We (Brandt et. al.) already tried drilling into the chamber – and every time it got to within 10 feet, the drill rig would buck and the bit would break! Lon likely knows about Brandt’s plan to tunnel in from the east side. Same problem. Relatively soft sandstone suddenly became like solid iron – blasting didn’t help at all, and Brandt was a skilled tunnel digger and blaster. I am of the opinion that an ancient technology exists to keep the “secrets” of the cave safe. I think that this involves the combinations of magnetics and specific hz. acoustics. One can either make stone light and easy to move, or it can make it extremely dense as iron. The key to how the ancients manipulated stone to change and alter its density is also found in the “Coral Castle” construction secrets of Ed Leedskalnin. See the video below:

            • We made a trip to Ed’s castle for a wedding anniversary about 10 years ago ( I know we are weird). There was a swinging door that was broken and a local university’s engineering department took a shot at fixing it. Needless to stay it was still not fixed and the stone material that the pivot rested on………..unidentified.

            • Teppo Särkkä

              When Wolter asked about drilling, Lon said they don’t want more drilling because of a curse, or because of a death that was connected to a previous attempt to drill. Wolter thought the refusal had everything to do with the curse. If the chamber is as hard as iron, there are drill bits for drilling iron. Do you mean it was even harder than iron?

              I’ve seen some posts by people on internet who claim they have tried to drill in that place last year (2013), and also were going to try this year. Why is there no concern for the “curse” or whatever when those other people attempt drilling while it was a clear ‘no’ answer from Lon when Wolter asked about it?

    • Estobhan

      You do realize that the Nat.Geo. link you put up about cyclops is actually an article about how Greeks could have seen elephant fossil or bones with the big opening for their nostril and have mistaken/come up with the explanation for cyclops? Do you ever read any legit peer reviewed scientific articles?

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The Giants Of The Bible, Taking A Close Look At The Antediluvian World, Part 5

Use your imagination coupled with the Word of God and visualize our world prior to the great flood of Noah.  The corresponding chapters in the Bible for this time period are Genesis 1-6.  The climate was warm, uniform and temperate because of the “greenhouse effect” all over the world, and the water canopy that prevents the sun’s ultraviolet rays from harming all of life, hence the great longevity of mankind often exceeded nine hundred year old!  [Adam lived to be 930 and Methuselah reached 969 years].  Severe storms and high winds are very uncommon during the early time period of God’s wonderful creation.  Natural springs and pools abound as water sources, and rain is unknown and nonexistent.  Dinosaurs are plentiful and taken for granted by mankind.  They usually leave humans alone since most are vegetarians, and the plant life food source is abundant due to the aforementioned “greenhouse effect.”  A couple Pteranodon are observed flying overhead, and my goodness, there is a Pterodactyl over towards the west!  It is hard to believe a creature that large can fly.  My favorite dinosaur, the Triceratops, is observed eating in the marshes.  They are similar to the Rhinoceros except they have three horns rather than two and are much larger.  As we enter open country, the Brachiosaurus are seen in number grazing in the valley.  They are the largest of the dinosaurs in existence, and the biggest species of them that we have uncovered to date is the Argentinosaurus.  See the Stegosaurus with exactly 17 large plates along his great spine and the spike at the end of its’ tail?  And last but not least, there is Tyrannosaurus Rex.  He is entrenched among the fern groves at the base of a smoldering caldron of a volcano, silhouetted against the indigo sky.  Tyrannosaurus Rex is not the carnivore we assumed, but is herbivorous and uses his great rows of teeth for chewing and mashing copious amounts of plants.  Yes, dinosaurs (which means terrible lizards) are everywhere but their philosophy is “you leave us alone and we will leave you alone.”  The closer that sin fallen man lives to the flood of Noah, the worse the conditions become.  Nearly 100% of men are in total rebellion against God.  Most men believe in false gods of their own making.  The sons of God (fallen angels) married the daughters of men a generation ago, and the whole human race rapidly became corrupt.  Their progeny became the giants, known in the Bible as Nephilim.  These demigods are a race of half breed giants and monsters (part man and part beast), and live in all cultures throughout the ancient world.  These monstrous hybrids are rightly feared by mankind much more than the dinosaurs.  They are wicked and nefarious, ruling over all, since in the ancient world, might makes right!  They are commonly well over ten feet tall and are cannibalistic towards ordinary humans, even desiring to drink our blood!  They live in dens and caves and hideous screeches are known to come from their abodes.  The only way they can be attacked and killed is while they are asleep.  They corrupted the entire human race because of their unparalleled dominance, and only Noah kept his family pure from them and found grace in the eyes of God.

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How Mythology Is Associated With The Ancient Biblical Nephilim-

As mentioned, the Nephilim lived all over the world and led to its’ rapid demise prior to the flood of Noah.  Stories today abound all over the globe that are related to the giants even though the facts have become clouded and distorted.  We call a lot of these stories myths or mythology.  These stories are replete in Greece, India, North America (Did you ever hear about Paul Bunyan and Babe his blue ox?), Rome, Egypt, Scandinavia, Asia, Europe and South America.  Chimeras are the hybrid beasts (part man, part beast, and demonic?) that are known in the mythology of many nations.  They include but are not limited to the Centaur, Satyr (part goat and part man), Cyclops and Minotaur.  Greek writer Homer records the Cyclops in the Odyssey as having one eye in the center of his head, resides in a labyrinth of caves, and seeks to devour flesh and drink blood.  Perhaps we can understand the legend of the Werewolf and the Vampire better now.  Werewolves fit right into the hybrid monsters of ancient times, while the legendary Vampires’ blood lust is nearly identical to that of the Nephilim!  Let us close with an observation of the sons of God and Nephilim, and their astonishing similarities to the ancient Greek gods.  Zeus is a perverted form of the true God and resides on Mount Olympus.  Neptune was god of the sea, and Uranus was god of the sky and personified the heavens.  There are many other gods as well.  In the Greek legends, mere mortals aspire to become gods like Zeus.  Men like Hercules and Achilles to name a couple.  The gods and the men who desire to become gods struggle with each other, often coming together at Mount Olympus.  The giant Greek men were called the Titans who desired deity.  They struggled with the gods in order to become gods.  I believe we can easily observe the Biblical parallels:  The Greek Titans and Chimeras (hybrid man, animal and demon) are the equivalent to the antediluvian Nephilim, while Zeus and the other Greek gods are in reality the sons of God or fallen angels.  Once we understand this, all of history falls beautifully into place.  One cannot understand ancient history unless we totally understand the fallen angels and giants of Genesis 6:1-4.  This formula from Greek mythology can be applied in a similar fashion to the stories and myths in countless other cultures, lands, nations and civilizations.

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I believe this last part of the series on the Biblical giants is accurate in so far as the Bible is concerned.  I added some data, largely based on the study of creation sciences, such as the “greenhouse effect,” etc.  I attempted to describe how legends and mythology make sense ONLY when they are seen in light of the Bible and of the facts we already know from ancient history.  As we observe consistencies within mythology all around the globe, the key is that there is an element of truth behind all of the stories.  Part 5 is a blend of the Bible, creation science, archaeology, anthropology and history.  In other words, our desire is to obtain the facts the best way we can, based on the information available.  My desire is that this study whets your appetite for further investigation.

Blessings, Pastor Steve

The Giants Of The Bible, Breaking Down The Different Biblical Giants, Part 4

In the book I Enoch, a commonly used name for the fallen angels (the sons of God) is the Watchers.  Another term used by many of the ancients for the fallen ones is the Gibborim.  The following, however, are the Biblical terms for the giants:

1)Nephilim- These are the antediluvian (pre flood) giants.  The term means fallen ones.  Archaeologists in North America believe they located possible Nephilim bones and remains, highlighted by two rows of teeth and heights exceeding eight and even nine feet.  These giants were the result of the fall depicted in Genesis 6:1-4, whereby the sons of God (sons of heaven, fallen angels) took wives for themselves among whom they chose.  The Nephilim apparently settled throughout the world prior to the great deluge of Noah.

2)Rephaim- These are the giants after the flood.  They include King Og, Goliath and his brothers, and many others.  They seem to be confined more so to the land of Canaan and surrounding nations, whereas the Nephilim settled globally.  Moses confronted giants as the Israelites journeyed towards the land of Canaan.  The Anakim giants were encountered by Moses on the way to Canaan and they are another group of the post flood Rephaim giants.  All of the  Canaanite tribes had giants among them and were also part of the Rephaim.  The twelve spies encountered the giants when they spied out the land and felt like grasshoppers in their presence.  Giants are mentioned throughout the Bible much more than most readers realize.

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Many conservative theologians throughout history, have thought there was a great spiritual fall involving angelic beings, and they “left their first estate,” thusly intervening in the affairs of men, and taking wives for themselves prior to the flood.  There was a spiritual fall both before and after the flood.  Mount Hermon is the place that ancient writings tell us the fallen angels gathered at.  We do not know exactly how this happened since it was a supernatural act.  Here is something you may have never thought of.  Most people equate the demons who plague our earth as fallen angels, BUT the Bible says that the fallen angels who left their proper domain and abode (Jude 6) are already locked in everlasting chains until the final judgment.  So how could they become the demons who currently inhabit our world?  Another possibility is that the demons who wander the earth came from the giants who were the progeny of the sons of God.  It is interesting to think about.  There will be one more part for this series on the Biblical giants.  The hybrids throughout the ancient world will be examined.  It is fascinating to realize that there is indeed fact (distorted over the centuries) behind the ancient myths that we are all familiar with.

The Giants Of The Bible, The Many Sources That Confirm Their Ancient Existence, Part 3

The common characteristics of the ancient giants were mentioned in the “Giants Of The Bible, Part 2.”  To the novice who has never carefully examined this subject, the characteristics would look surreal.  The fact is, however, that these traits are found in a myriad of cultures, civilizations and lands all around the globe, including every continent.  They are recorded in God’s Word, in the history of various nations and in the myths of the ancients.  The same could be said for the dinosaurs and the flood of Noah.  Recorded below are some of the best sources that tell us about the giants of old, and give us the overall composite picture regarding their ancient existence:

1)The Bible

2)I Enoch (The best and most comprehensive source.  Several verses about the sons of God and the giants in Jude and II Peter 2 come from I Enoch).

3)Jubilees

4)Jasher (This source is actually quoted in the Bible).

5)Sibylline Oracles

6)Terracotta’s Army in Chinese Prehistory

7)Baruch

8)The Testament Of The Twelve Patriarchs

9)Sirach

10)Wisdom of Solomon

11)Dead Sea Scrolls

12)Genesis Apocryphon (From the Dead Sea Scrolls).

13)All of Greek Mythology featuring the Serpentine Giants and Much More. (See #14 Just Below).

14)Homer’s Odyssey (Hercules, Orion the Gigantic Hunter, and Many More Giants Appear Throughout His Writings, Featuring A Myriad Of Demigods- One Half god and One Half Human.  The Cyclops Are Featured As Well, and Are Noted For Capturing and Devouring Their Victims).

15)Jewish Talmud

16)Babylonian Talmud

17)Josephus

18)Eusebius

19)Plato

20)Hesiod (Theogany)

21)III Maccabees

22)Herodotus

23)A Plethora Of Publications and Innumerable Historical Recordings Of The North American Mound Builder

***   This list is by no means comprehensive, and represents a mere fraction of the information about the giants who once dwelled on the earth.  Just like the great flood and dinosaurs, there are too many recorded annuls of the giants to be counted.  The stories of giants are replete throughout the Bible, they are in the recorded history of nearly every  ancient people, and their stories are sprinkled throughout mythology, with of course, some perversions and distortions.   ***

The Giants Of The Bible, Those Found In North America, Part II

Common Traits Of Most Giants:

The facts common to most of the ancient giants throughout recorded history are the following:  1)Two rows of teeth!  [Primarily found in giants among the Mound Builders of North America].  2)Blond or red hair.  3)Light skin.  4)A typical height of 7-9 feet, ranging up to approximately 15 feet.  [The Amorite King Og of Bashan was known as the last of the Rephaim giants.  Deuteronomy 3:11 tells us that his bed was 9 cubits long and 4 cubits wide, which is 13 1/2 feet long and 6 feet wide].  5)They were vicious, violent and domineering rulers.  6)They were buried in a special ornate fashion, usually in tombs or vaults within great mounds.  7)In America they are called the mound builders, and led great civilizations and municipalities.  8)They had a blood/flesh lust and were especially noted for their cannibalism, thus eating the dead and human flesh, even breaking the bones open in order to eat the marrow.  They also drank the blood of their victims.  9)They thrived on every continent in the world, and as previously mentioned, the indigenous people everywhere told stories of the gods (fallen angels to the Christian) coming down to the earth, copulating with human women, who produced very tall offspring that were violent ruthless cannibals.  10)They are often referred to as possessing 24 digits, 6 on each limb.  [Goliath and his brothers are famous Biblical examples; I Chronicles 20:6; II Samuel 21:20].  11)They lived in caves and made horrible sounds.  12)They had strength of a different order of magnitude.  13)They were associated with sorcery and witchcraft.  14)Added on 9/9/16:  Based on an account of American soldiers who reportedly killed a modern day Nephilim in Afghanistan in 2002.  The giant and his abode (a cave) had a tremendous stench like a skunk.  The smell was horrible and was very similar to rotting corpses.  There were also bones strewn all around the mouth of the cave, enforcing the common trait of the giants mentioned above in number 8, namely cannibalism.  [You can watch the video on this blog site about this incident.  It is in the article “The Ancient Giants Who Roamed The Earth,” entered on 9/9/16].   These ancient stories are not only in the Bible but replete around the world.  That is the objective data.

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The Giants Of North America

1)The History Channel on television presents a series called the “Search For The Lost Giants.”  In it, the Vieira brothers pool their resources and team up with archaeologists throughout our continent in search of giants.  If you are a visual person, this series will probably resonate with you.  The Vieira brothers simply follow leads from various sources in our history.  This study is fascinating, yet very limited since many of the places from the past are no longer accessible, or their archaeology has been compromised through people, as well as exposure to both time and the elements.

2)The quintessential and comprehensive book dealing with this theme is “The Ancient Giants Who Ruled America,” The Missing Skeletons and the Great Smithsonian Cover-Up, by Richard J. Dewhurst, 2014, Bear and Company, Rochester, Vermont.  This tome is destined to become a classic.  One cannot purchase a more factual book about this theme.  Drawing on 400 years of newspaper articles and photos, first-person accounts, state historical records, and illustrated field reports, Richard J. Dewhurst reveals not only that North America was once ruled by an advanced race of giants but also that the Smithsonian has been actively suppressing the physical evidence for nearly 150 years.  He shows how the thousands of giant skeletons have been unearthed at Mound Builder sites across the continent, only to disappear from the historical record.  He examines other concealed giant discoveries, such as the giant mummies found in Spirit Cave, Nevada, and wrapped in fine textiles; the hundreds of red-haired bog mummies found in sinkhole “cenotes” on the west coast of Florida; and the ruins of the giants’ cities with populations in excess of 100,000 in Arizona, Oklahoma, Alabama and Louisiana.

Dewhurst shows how the suppression began shortly after the Civil War and transformed into an outright cover-up in 1879 when Major John Wesley Powell was appointed Smithsonian director, launching a strict pro-evolution, pro-Manifest Destiny agenda.  He also reveals the 1920s’ discovery on Catalina Island of a megalithic burial complex with 6,000 years of continuous burials and over 4,000 skeletons, including a succession of kings and queens, some more than 9 feet tall- the evidence for which is hidden in the restricted-access evidence room at the Smithsonian.

***   Interestingly, the above cited Vieira brothers believe the Smithsonian cover-up was due to the scientists of the day, who did not want to repeat the error of Piltdown Man.  Piltdown Man was alleged to be the missing link.  In reality there was an orangutan’s jawbone placed on the skull of a human.  Hence scientists were supposedly concerned about repeating the errors of previous forgeries.  I do not believe this to be the case however, since the evidence of giants is so overwhelming.  I agree whole heartily with Richard Dewhurst, that the evidence in favor of giants living previously on the earth totally refuted the theory of evolution.  THAT is why the Smithsonian has suppressed the facts for nearly a century and one half.  Pastor Steve   ***

The Giants Of The Bible, Introduction, Part 1

There are four common denominators with all ancient men, namely:  1)The global flood of Noah, 2)Dinosaurs, 3)Pyramids/Ziggurats, 4)and the Giants.  This article and those to follow, concerning the Biblical Giants, will be placed under the categories of Biblical History and Biblical Archaeology on this blog site.  The Bible has three prominent passages that allude to the historical accuracy and reality of the ancient giants:  Genesis 6:1-4, II Peter 2:4-5 and Jude 6.  There are many other Biblical passages that refer to the giants both before and after the great flood of Noah, yet the aforementioned three passages tell of their origin, that is, when angels fell from heaven after “leaving their first estate.”  These scriptures are in total harmony with countless extra Biblical sources, and confirm the existence of these ancient titans.  We will examine the tremendous amount of archaeological and historical evidence, validating the giants of the Bible in every continent.  Many famous ancient men and cultures took the reality of the giants as common knowledge and wrote of their exploits.  This study will help you to have an accurate Biblical world view about ancient man, because apart from the Word of God, it simply cannot be truthfully understood!  We will also examine the common traits of giants located throughout the world.  Let me illustrate very briefly, by quoting an erudite “giant scholar,” who has a thorough  knowledge of this fascinating topic:  “On every continent on the planet, the indigenous people tell stories of gods coming down to earth, copulating with human women, who produced very tall offspring that were violent ruthless cannibals.”  This is a quotation on page 41 from the book: “Giants, Sons of the gods” by Douglas Van Dorn, Waters of Creation publishing, 2013.  [The author is pastor of the Reformed Baptist Church of Northern Colorado since founding it in 2002].  The Bible, extra Biblical sources, the spade of the archaeologist, and the over all history of  ancient man confirm the above quote to be a truism.  Stay tuned to see how the fallen angels (gods) from heaven left their first estate, copulated with human women, resulting in progeny of gigantic proportions.  Does this sound surreal to you?  I challenge you to investigate the facts…

The Giants Of The Old Testament……

The following is a mind boggling quotation if you have never been exposed to this teaching. I include this particular quote because it is given by one of the most respected and learned Christians of all time– Francis Schaeffer. Why is this important to the believer? Because “….as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man.” Blessings, Pastor Steve

Christian and ancient Jewish scholarship are in agreement with this quote by Francis Schaeffer. The article following is a synopsis of a book by Douglas Van Dorn: Giants: Sons of the Gods. This is cutting edge teaching and becoming more replete throughout Christianity in recent years:

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Giants on the Earth
“More and more we are finding that mythology in general, though greatly contorted, very often
has some historic base. And the interesting thing is that one myth that one finds over and over
again in many parts of the world is that somewhere a long time ago supernatural beings had
sexual intercourse with natural women and produced a special breed of people.”
(Francis Schaeffer, “Genesis in Space and Time”)
1 When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them,
2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any
they chose.
3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be
120 years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in
to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of
old, the men of renown.
Genesis 6:1-4
History of a Controversy
A Great Battle
“So it begins.” Thus says King Théoden as the orcs stand ready for war at
the walls of Helm’s Deep. Sometimes I feel like the passage before us today is the
Helm’s Deep of the Bible–the first great exegetical battle over Scripture. To the
victor belong the spoils and the right to govern the worldview of Christians
regarding the interpretation of many supernatural things in the Bible.
Here is a sampling of the language used to discuss this passage. “Genesis
6:1-4 is one of the most controversial passages in the Bible.”1 “The four verses
of our pericope have generated controversy and many different
1 Hank Hanegraaff, http://www.angelfire.com/realm3/thetruth77/gen614study.html.
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interpretations.”2 “There is great controversy over the identification of the
phrase ‘the sons of God.’”3 “Textual Controversy: Mischievous Angels or
Sethites?”4 “There is no question that the identity of the ‘sons of God” in Gen
6:2 has been a point of controversy for many years … the context is perhaps just
as controversial as the [phrase] … The controversy over the identity of the ‘sons
of God’ and the ‘daughters of men’ has implications.”5
What is a controversy? A controversy is a “disagreement, typically
prolonged, public, and heated.” What is the controversy? It is over the
interpretation of several words or phrases in Genesis 6:1-4: “the sons of God,”
“the daughters of men,” “and also afterward,” “Nephilim,” and “men of
renown.” That is a lot of storm over four little verses.
In my mind, there are two basic interpretations of this passage, each
having their own sub-interpretations. There is a supernatural interpretation: the
sons of God are heavenly beings, the daughters of men are human women, the
Nephilim and men of renown are the same group—gigantic hybrids who were
on the earth both prior to and after the flood. How these giants came to be is the
subject of the sub-interpretations: angels and women mated, angels somehow
manipulated human DNA, and so on.
Then there is the natural interpretation: the sons of God are godly male
Sethites from the lineage of Seth, the daughters of men are ungodly women from
the line of Cain. Together they produced a line of very wicked but perfectly
human tyrants, not physically gigantic, but spiritually gigantic in their own
eyes—tall with pride. They were only on the earth prior to the flood.
There is a third view, which some see as distinctly different from the other
two, but which I see as being compatible with either a supernatural or natural
interpretation. This is the so-called dynastic ruler view. It holds that the
Nephilim were great rulers and kings of old. Most who hold this view, like the
Rabbis of the 2nd century A.D. and later, believe that they were perfectly human.
But some who hold it believe that they were the giants and demigods like
2 Willem van Gemeren, “The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1–4 (An Example of Evangelical Demythologization?).”
Westminster Theological Journal 43 (1981): 322 [320-348].
http://www.godawa.com/chronicles_of_the_Nephilim/Articles_By_Others/Van%20Gemeren%20-
%20The%20Sons%20of%20God%20in%20Gen%206.1-4-Evangelical%20Demythologization.pdf
3 Free Bible Commentary, “Special Topic: ‘The Sons of God’ in Genesis 6,” Bible Lessons International.
http://www.freebiblecommentary.org/special_topics/sons_of_god.html
4 Chuck Missler, “Textual Controversy: Mischievous Angels or Sethites?”, Personal Update News Journal
[Aug 1997]. http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/110/
5 Thomas A. Howe, Ph.D. “Who are the Sons of God in Genesis 6? Part 2: The Tyrants View,” Professor of
Bible and Biblical Languages as Southern Evangelical Seminary, 2004: 1.
http://www.richardghowe.com/WhoaretheSonsofGodinGenesis6Pt2.pdf
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Hercules or Gilgamesh (supernatural fathers/human mothers). There seems to
me nothing about a king per se that would limit him to one category or the other.
A Brief History
The very brief history of interpretation of this text is that from
somewhere in the mid second century as far back as you want to go in Jewish
circles and for the first two and a half centuries of church history (or longer than
the United States has been a nation), the only view even known was the
supernatural view. Not only is it found dozens of times in different Jewish
works, and it was held by the likes of Justin Martyr; Irenaeus; Athenagoras;
Pseudo Clement; Clement of Alexandria; Tertullian; Lactantius; Eusebius;
Commodian; Ambrose; Jerome; and Sulpicius Severus.6
Sometime near the middle of the 3rd century A.D., a historian named
Julius Africanus wrote about an idea that he had heard, probably from the Jews,
which said Sethite men were marrying Cainite women. He said this seemed
probable to him, but he admitted that it could also be angels. This natural
interpretation mentioned by Julius seems to have been invented by Rabbis
sometime well after their temple was destroyed, quite possibly because they
began losing so many of their people to this sect called Christianity, a religion
that taught that a God-man had come claiming to be the Messiah. It was not
until Augustine and Chrysostom came along at the turn of the 5th century A.D.
that the natural interpretation really gained any traction in the church.7
A Sharp Tongue: The Weapon of a War
If you don’t know anything about this controversy, you can probably see
from these differences why it has been such a heated debate. I mean, heavenly
beings and human women? It just seems absurd, perhaps even blasphemous. So
how heated has this controversy been? Let me use the language that has been
used by some of my own personal church heroes of centuries past. Calvin said,
“That ancient figment, concerning the intercourse of angels with women, is
abundantly refuted by its own absurdity; and it is surprising that learned men
should formerly have been fascinated by ravings so gross and prodigious” (John
6 A good summary is Robert C. Newman “The Ancient Exegesis of Genesis 6:2, 4.” Grace Theological Journal
5.1 (1984): 13-36.
7 I deal with all of this in the Introduction of my book Giants: Sons of the Gods (Erie, CO: Waters of Creation
Pub., 2013).
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Calvin, Genesis 6:1).8 Martin Luther called the supernatural view, “The silly
ideas of the Jews” (Martin Luther, Genesis 6:2).9 Theodoret, a contemporary of
Augustine, calls anyone who holds the angelic view “mad fools” (Theodoret,
Questions on Genesis: XLVII). Chrysostom seems to border on turning it into an
all out war, throwing the whole tradition not only under the bus, but sending
those poor run-over souls right into the pit of hell when he says, “[We need to]
confute the fanciful interpretations of those people whose every remark is made
rashly … by demonstrating the absurdity of what is said by them … so that you
will not lend your ears idly to people uttering those blasphemies and presuming
to speak in a way that brings their own persons into jeopardy” (Chrysostom,
Homilies on Genesis 22.6).
Every one of these objections to the older view is rooted in the logical
fallacy called an ad hominem, basically, name calling. This is what children do on
the playground during recess when they say, “Your momma wears combat
boots.” Unfortunately, it isn’t an argument, but a cut down, an attempt to win
by making the other side look like idiots or even non-Christians.
Augustine is a little different. His basic argument is, “I could by no means
believe that God’s holy angels could at that time have so fallen” (Augustine, City
of God 15:23).10 Likewise, Luther similarly says, “That anything could be born
from [the union of a devil and a human being],11 this I do not believe.” In other
words, it is just too incredible. I wonder though, if the supernatural view is to be
rejected simply because it is incredible, what would happen to the virgin birth,
the deity of Jesus Christ, the Trinity, miracles and the resurrection if all theology
was accepted or rejected because it is difficult to accept?
A Moral Imperative
Before we start looking at this passage, I want to begin with a moral
imperative, something that I believe may in fact be much more important than
the interpretation of our passage today. How are we as Christians to deal with
8 John Calvin and John King, Commentary on the First Book of Moses Called Genesis (Bellingham, WA: Logos
Research Systems, Inc., 2010), Gen 6:1.
9 Martin Luther, vol. 2, Luther’s Works, Vol. 2 : Lectures on Genesis: Chapters 6-14, ed. Jaroslav Jan Pelikan,
Hilton C. Oswald and Helmut T. Lehmann, Luther’s Works (Saint Louis: Concordia Publishing House,
1999), Gen 6:2. In reality, the Sethite interpretation would also be a “silly idea of the Jews” except it would be
a newer idea.
10 Philip Schaff, The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers Vol. II (Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems, 1997), 303.
11 Luther is most likely technically incorrect. The supernatural view is not that devils mated with women, but
that the heavenly sons of God did. The early church saw a big difference between these two kinds of creatures.
See below.
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such controversies? I’m not talking about a controversy that strikes at the heart
of the Christian faith, destroying something essential to the gospel. I’m talking
about something that, while important and having far reaching implications for
one’s worldview, nevertheless is not a gospel essential (it isn’t even a confessional
issue). Both views actually get to the gospel, but neither saves nor damns anyone.
Let me suggest a couple of things. First, using logical fallacies such as name
calling and arguments like “I couldn’t believe it” are not befitting the people of
God. The later are not helpful, and the former border on being out and out
sinful. I have seen much passion on both sides of this interpretive battle. That can
be fine. But not always. I’ve seen an over-zeal that comes when people (myself
included) come to a different interpretation than the one they grew up holding.
I’ve also seen visceral anger from some that are quite fine where they are and do
not want to be bothered with another opinion. Neither of these reactions are the
best for God’s people to engage in either. And does not the way we conduct
ourselves mean as much, if not more, to the Lord God than what we believe
about a thing like this? Yes, doctrine matters, but so too does our behavior, both
internally and externally. Our internal behavior keeps us from being fair and
objective, our outward behavior can cause us to sin against our brother.
Let me suggest that we reason together, that we each look within and
think about our own presuppositions, why we hold them so tightly, that we each
be willing to fairly examine the evidence (all of which I cannot possibly give in a
sermon like this), and that when we come to our own conclusions on a matter,
that we hold one other in the highest esteem in the bonds of love, as those for
whom Christ has also died and shed his blood. This, it seems to me, may be the
most important thing we can take away practically speaking from a controversy
such as the one we will now explore together. Otherwise, we may find ourselves
behind the wall of Helm’s Deep.
A Defense of the Supernatural View
My basic view of preaching on a topic of controversy is that if I have an
opinion on the matter, I’m going to preach it. I’m not going to preach as, “Here
are the views, go and decide for yourself.” I will only do that if I don’t have an
opinion. If I believe something, it is because I believe I have reasons for it. I
believe those reasons are sound, otherwise I wouldn’t believe it (do you believe
something you think is wrong?). Since I believe they are sound, I believe others
ought to believe what I believe (do you believe things that you don’t think
others should also believe?). So, I’m going to try and persuade you of my
position.
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Nevertheless, at the same time, because it is not a matter of gospelsalvation,
I also want to make sure you know that if you disagree with me at the
end of the day, I respect your position, especially if you can give reasons for it. I
want you to know that if you disagree with me on a matter like this, that I still
love and respect you. My hope is that you will offer me that same charity and
kindness. As its pastor, this is what I desire our congregation to be known for.
Not necessarily how much we believe. Nor how passionately we believe it. But
that we believe things passionately and are still willing to talk about them with
one another, loving one another in Christ-like love with the fruit of the Spirit.
My view has changed on this matter over the past half-dozen years or so. I
used to hold Augustine’s natural-Sethite interpretation of the two-cities. I now
believe this is an error, and hold instead that the older church view was correct.
The sons of God are heavenly beings. Let me tell you some reasons why.
The Language of the Text
The first reason is linguistic. There are four main phrases up for grabs in
this passage. The first is the “sons of God.” This phrase occurs 10 times in the
OT, if you count the LXX.
“SONS OF GOD” PASSAGE HEBREW PHRASE
Genesis 6:2
Genesis 6:4
Job 1:6
Job 2:1
Job 38:7
beney ha-’elohim
Psalm 29:1
Psalm 89:6
beney ’elim
Psalm 82:6 beney ’elyon
Deut 32:8 aggelōn theou*
Deut 32:43 uioi theou*
* signifies only found in LXX12
In each case, the phrase means a heavenly being.13 You can see this best in Job
38:7, a creation story that says the sons of God were shouting for joy prior to
God creating mankind.
Those who take the Sethite interpretation will say that Israel is sometimes
called God’s son (Ex 4:22; Hos 11:1). This is true enough, but I want to say two
things here. First, our phrase is actually a technical phrase used outside of Israel,
12 The LXX reading is almost certainly the original. See Michael S. Heiser, “Deuteronomy 32:8 and the Sons
of God,” Bibliotheca Sacra: 158:629 (Jan-Mar, 2001): 52-74.
13 I realize people dispute this. So I deal with it at length in my Introduction in the Giants book.
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and it always refers to the heavenly divine council, the 70 sons of El who
administer the affairs of the cosmos. There is no technical phrase involved in
calling Israel his son. Second, this phrase is always translated as angels by the
LXX, showing that this was the view of those in the early days.14 Moreover,
there is absolutely no evidence anywhere in the Bible that “sons of God” means
“sons of Seth.” It is never used like this anywhere else. In fact, when you think
about it, what sense does it even make to substitute “Seth” for “God?” It says
sons of “God,” not “godly sons.” It is a noun, not an adverb.
In a similar fashion, there is absolutely no biblical evidence that “daughters
of men” are Cainites. Cain was a man, yes. But there were many more lines of
men than just Cain’s. These are the daughters of “men.” Is not Seth a man? Why
couldn’t they be Sethites? According to Jewish tradition, Adam had thirty other
sons, besides Cain, Abel, and Seth.15 Given how long he lived and how long they
were fertile, that seems reasonable to me. Why couldn’t the daughters of men be
those descendents? Aren’t they men too? With all things being equal, each child
of Adam having the same number of babies, simply put, the Sethite view only
even deals with 6% of all human beings on earth.16 Yet the next verse says that all
human beings had become utterly corrupt (Gen 6:5), and our passage is here
partly to demonstrate this and provide justification for exterminating mankind,
save Noah and his family.
The final two words are important. The word “Nephilim” is surrounded
by controversy. What does it mean? Most of your Bibles won’t give an opinion,
so they just transliterate the word. Many say it comes from the word naphal,
meaning “to fall.” So Nephilim are “fallen ones.” The better ground to stand on
here is that Nephilim means “giant.”17 This is how the LXX, Vulgate, and
Aramaic Targums all translate the word, and it is the only way to account for the
alternate spelling of the word in the Hebrew of Numbers 13:33. In that passage,
it is very clear that the Nephilim are giants.
14 I do not have time to deal in the sermon with how “angels” and the “sons of God” relate. Basically, the “sons
of God” was an early term used in early books of the Bible. “Angel” in those days was a technical term for a
messenger, almost always heavenly in origin. By the time the LXX was translated, the term “angel” had
become a broad word that could encompass almost any kind of heavenly being. We still use “angel” in this
broad sense today.
15 Life of Adam and Eve 24:3.
16 30 other sons divided by 32 sons (not counting Abel) is 6.25%.
17 This view is proposed by H. Gunkel, Genesis (Göttingen, 1910), 58-59, and elaborated on by Michael
Heiser, The Myth That Is True (unpublished), 79-83. Heiser interacts with a recent objection to his view here:
http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/2013/03/thoughts-Nephilim-answering-criticism/
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The “mighty heroes of old” are the Nephilim. The LXX translates both
words as gigantes. This is introduced here because in a few chapters, the first of
these mighty heroes, a fellow named Nimrod, will be discussed. At any rate, the
linguistic evidence for the Sethite view is scant to completely absent in my
estimation.
NT Interpretation
The second reason I hold my view is historical. To me, this is even more
powerful, in fact was the final nail in the coffin for me personally holding the
natural interpretation. This history is both outside and inside of the Bible.
Outside the Bible, this view of the sons of God is exactly what Israel’s neighbors
believed, using in fact the exact same phrase to talk about the heavenly beings of
the divine council. They did not believe that the sons of God were humans.
Neither does the OT.
The biblical history is much more important. It circles around the books
of 2 Peter and Jude. Again, the supernatural view is the only known view of our
text at the time of the NT. If the NT differs, it goes against all known
interpretation for 250 years in both directions, with the exception of those
Rabbis in the second century A.D. that I mentioned earlier.
The NT speaks directly to these verses. 2 Peter 2:4 says, “For if God did
not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell (tartarus) and
committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment…”
Some commentators will say that Peter is referring to the initial fall of the angels
when Satan fell. This is problematic for three reasons. First, we don’t know that
a host of angels fell with Satan. Second, Peter uses the unique word tartarus for
“hell.” Tartarus has only one use in the ancient world. It is the place where God
bound the angels who fell in the Gigantomachy (the Greek equivalent of the
supernatural interpretation of our passage). Here is Hesiod on the matter:
Among the foremost Cottus and Briareos and Gyes18 insatiate for war raised
fierce fighting: three hundred rocks, one upon another, they launched from
their strong hands and overshadowed the Titans with their missiles, and buried
them beneath the wise-pathed earth, and bound them in bitter chains when
they had conquered them by their strength for all their great spirit, as far
beneath the earth to Tartarus.
(Hesiod, Theogony 313-320)
Third, and most importantly, Peter has in mind the book of Jude. Jude and
2 Peter parallel one another in remarkable ways. Jude says, “And the angels who
18 Giants of incredible strength and ferocity, even superior to that of the Titans.
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did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper
dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the
judgment of the great day– (Jude 1:6).
Here is where I want to return to Genesis 5 for a moment, and the person
of Enoch. It says that Enoch did not die, but was translated (Gen 5:24).
Presumably, he was taken to heaven. Later in his epistle, Jude quotes Enoch,
saying that Enoch prophesied before the flood (Jude 14-15). These words of
Enoch were remembered for generations by Jews, until they were finally put
into writing in the book we know as 1 Enoch.
Now, 1 Enoch is not in our Bible, and most Christians do not consider it
to be inspired.19 The reason Augustine gave for why is that it was too old to trust
(City of God 15:23). That is, we couldn’t be sure that words not from Enoch were
added, and in fact, in certain parts later in the book, this seems to be the case.
Nevertheless, Jude says the words of Enoch are recorded here.
What is important is that throughout his tiny letter, Jesus’ half-brother
quotes or alludes to the book of 1 Enoch almost a dozen times. These are always
favorable. Considering that the letter is only 25 verses long, one could almost
call Jude the “Little Enoch.” He clearly holds this book in very high esteem. I
believe, based on this, that we should treat 1 Enoch much like Reformed
Christians treat Calvin: In very high esteem, certainly capable of telling us truth
and giving us actual history like any other book, but not holy Scripture.
SOME OF JUDE’S ALLUSIONS TO 1 ENOCH
JUDE 1 ENOCH
Jude 6 “The angels that did not keep
their own position but left
their proper dwelling.”
“[The angels] have
abandoned the high
heaven, the holy eternal
place.”
1 En 12:4
“until the judgment of the
great day”
“preserved for the day of
suffering”
1 En 45:2
(1 En 10:6)
“angels … kept in eternal
chains under gloomy
darkness”
“this is the prison of the
angels, and here they will
be imprisoned forever”
1 En 21:10
(1 En 10:4)
Jude 12 “waterless clouds” “every cloud … rain shall
be withheld”
1 En 100:11
“raging waves” “ships tossed to and fro by
the waves”
1 En 101:2
“fruitless trees” “fruit of the trees shall be
withheld”
1 En 80:3
Jude 13 “wandering stars” “stars that transgress the
order”
1 En 80:6
“the gloom of utter darkness
has been reserved forever”
“darkness shall be their
dwelling”
1 En 46:6
Jude 14 “Enoch the seventh from
Adam”
“my grandfather [Enoch] …
seventh from Adam”
1 En 60:8
Jude
14-15
… saying, “Behold, the
Lord comes with ten
“And behold!
He comes with ten
1 En 1:9
19 The Coptic Ethiopian church is the one exception in our day. A few church Fathers such as Tertullian also
believed it was inspired.
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thousands of his holy ones,
15 to execute judgment
on all and to
convict all the ungodly
of all their deeds of
ungodliness that they have
committed in such an
ungodly way,
and of all the harsh things
that ungodly sinners
have spoken against him.”
thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgment
upon all, and he will
destroy all the ungodly,
and convict all flesh about
all works of their
ungodliness which they
have ungodly
committed,
And of all the hard things
which ungodly sinners
have spoken against Him.
Why is Jude’s treatment of 1 Enoch important? It is because when Jude
makes this comment about angels, he does so in the context of a book that spends
chapter after chapter explaining our very passage, explicitly telling us that the
sons of God are heavenly beings and that the Nephilim are demi-gods and giants.
To me, it is absurd to think that Jude would favorably cite or allude to 1 Enoch
almost a dozen times in 25 verses,20 and yet at this one point, the most basic point
of 1 Enoch, he would give a view that goes directly against it without even
telling us that he is doing so. As I said, when I realized these things about 2 Peter
and Jude, that was the nail in the coffin for me, because I can’t find an honest
way to get around that fact that these two NT books are talking about Genesis
6:1-4, and I believe as Holy Scripture that they are inspired by God. Thus, I am
compelled to believe the supernatural view, even though it seems bizarre.
Why is this Passage Here?
So that is the controversy, and that is my position. For the last section of
this sermon, I want to ask the question of why this passage is here, and then how
it contributes to our understanding of the gospel, even though it, in fact, is not
good news but bad news. So why is it here?
When we consider what comes before it and after it, in some ways, it
seems out of place. However, it does serve both the immediate context and the
larger context of the whole OT going right on into the NT. As for the
immediate context, we should look at the last verse of Genesis 5. It says, “After
Noah was 500 years old, Noah fathered Shem, Ham, and Japheth” (Gen 5:32).
This introduces us to the hero of the flood story, if we can call Noah a hero. In
contrast, this story shows how everyone but Noah became polluted. If the
daughters of men really could include any and every lineage from Adam, as I
20 In fact, the book of 1 Enoch seems to be alluded to throughout the NT. I have three books that each give
various cross references between certain NT verses and corresponding verses in 1 Enoch. These are Steve
Delamarter, A Scripture Index to Charlesworth’s The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha (New York: Sheffield
Acedemic Press Ltd, 2002); Craig Evans, Noncanonical Writings and New Testament Interpretation (Peabody,
MA: Hendrickson Pub, 1992), 190-219; Ronald K. Brown, The Book of Enoch: Second Edition (San Antonio,
TX: Guadalupe Baptist Theological Seminary Press, 2000).
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believe, then we see that the corruption that spread to mankind, both of their
own prerogative and angelic initiative, was indeed universal. Rather than a mere
6% of the population from the lines of Seth and Cain, everyone is involved.
Furthermore, the kind of pollution involved here is almost unthinkable. It
is a pollution of the very meaning of what constitutes a human being. The idea
of a Nephilim is that it is not fully human. Using Genesis 1 language (which is
part of the larger context), it is a pollution of the kinds. To put it bluntly, human
beings were ceasing to be human beings.
There is a frightening parallel to this going on in the minds of mad
scientists today in the form of something known as Transhumanism. According
to the Wiki, Transhumanism is “an international cultural and intellectual
movement with an eventual goal of fundamentally transforming the human
condition by developing and making widely available technologies to
greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities.” It
sounds wonderful, until you consider the dark side portrayed by movies like The
Island of Dr. Moreau or Splice. It sounds like science fiction, until you realize
that we have fully mapped the human genome. Basically, these guys are now
tinkering with DNA. We already have state laws on the books outlawing animal
hybridization, because we actually have the scientific know-how to make animal hybrids.
These guys want to do the same thing to human beings. Consider this the idea
behind the supernatural view of Genesis 6:1-4, only it occurred at the hands of
heavenly beings that have been a around a lot longer and have an intellect that
far outstrips that of the human being. As we will see next week, on the
supernatural reading, this seems to be the idea behind telling us that Noah was
“perfect” in his “generations” (Gen 6:9). This would refer not to moral
perfection (have you read the story of Noah and the vineyard immediately after
the fall?), but to biological purity.
How This Helps our View of the Gospel
So how does this passage fit into our view of the gospel? First, let me say
something about the natural interpretation of Augustine. I will say up front that
I think Augustine had the best of intentions in giving his proposal that the sons
of God are Sethites and that the problem was basically Christians marrying non-
Christians. His idea that there is a godly line that was being mixed through these
marriages does point us to election and God’s choice to preserve a line through
which Christ would come. He was very concerned with two-cities, and making
sure that we understand how these interact and how they are to remain distinct
for Christians. That was his context, but he seems to have read his context into
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the text. As we saw last week (in Genesis 5), I believe the essential theology of a
godly line and a wicked line is basically correct. I’m not fully convinced about all
of the particulars, but the basic idea is biblical follows from Genesis 4-5.
It was out of this context and a zeal for the two cities that Augustine read
Genesis 6:1-4. His concern is pastoral. God wiped out the whole world because
Christians were not keeping themselves separate from the world. Who can blame
Augustine for that? The problem is, I’m personally convinced that Genesis 6:1-4
is just not talking about this. Rather, its context comes from something earlier.
I heard a defense of the Sethite view which said there is nothing
supernatural in the entire Bible up to Genesis 6:1-4. So all of the sudden, out of
the blue, with no warning or prior foreshadowing, I’m just supposed to accept
that angels are meant in this passage? When I heard this, I was struck by Genesis
3, because I know this pastor believes in Satan. Isn’t he a supernatural being? And
then, aren’t there two cherubim that are guarding the gates of Eden? Don’t
forget the LORD himself walking around. The whole of Genesis 3 teaches that
many supernatural beings were walking around on earth in the paradise of God.
Then there is that promise that God gave to Eve: She would have a Seed
who would crush the head of the serpent. But the serpent would also have a seed.
As we saw, spiritually speaking Satan had a seed. His name was Cain, and this is
part of the purpose of Genesis 4, to show what happens when people spiritually
belong to the devil.
But to be consistent, if Eve’s seed is physical and biological, it would make
sense that Satan would also have a physical and biological seed. I believe this is
exactly what the story of the Nephilim is. It introduces us to a lineage that not
only was partially responsible for the Flood, but which will also play a major role
in the rest of the story of Genesis, and beyond.
And I believe this strikes at the heart of Satan’s anger and futile plan to
overthrow the prophecy. “If God is going to have a seed from the woman, then I
will ensure that there are no women left that can have a seed.” And so he
corrupts the human line through the daughters of men. That way, Messiah
cannot come. Satan cannot be defeated. This idea fits the context of the
supernatural of Genesis 3 and the “kinds” that play such a prominent role in
Genesis 1 and again in Genesis 7 when God brings the kinds into the ark. It
makes sense of the NT’s interpretation, and of the great story of the Bible—the
coming seed of Christ. It makes sense of why God would elect Noah and
preserve his line all the way to the NT.
In fact, this allows us to see a golden thread of the Bible, a supernatural
war that God is waging through his chosen people that almost all commentaries
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miss. It will begin with Abraham and the giant wars of Genesis 14. It will
continue on with Esau and Jacob and Judah and Moses and especially Joshua and
David. You find it also with Saul and Balaam and even Esther. You find it in the
prophets: Isaiah, Amos, Ezekiel, and Daniel. This war will finally culminate in
none other than a war that Jesus Christ himself will wage in both his life and his
death on the cross.
This war involves both the demons of Jesus’ earthly ministry and the
heavenly beings that he conquers in his death, resurrection, and ascension. Do
you remember last week that I told you about Hesiod who believed that the
Heroes before the flood became the demons? Well, this was the same view of the
early Jews and Christians. In fact, this view was taught throughout the ancient
world in one form or another. Somehow, this became a stock belief of ancient
peoples. Justin Martyr and Eusebius are good examples of how the early church
thought. Justin says, “But the angels transgressed this appointment, and were
captivated by love of women, and begat children who are those that are called
demons” (Justin Martyr, 2 Apology 5). “For one might say that these daemons are
those giants [Gen 6:4], and that their spirits have been deified by the subsequent
generations of men, and that their battles, and their quarrels among themselves,
and their wars are the subjects of these legends that are told as of gods” (Eusebius,
Preparation for the Gospel 5.4).
As for the heavenly beings, the Scripture tells us that because of his great
work, Christ is now “above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and
above every name that is named” (Eph 1:21). This was God’s plan all along, a
secret unveiled only after the fact. For it says, “None of the rulers of this age
understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of
glory” (1 Cor 2:8). 1 Peter even uses the story of the flood to teach us about
Christ’s great work and concludes that Christ, “Has gone into heaven and is at
the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been
subjected to him” (1 Pet 3:22; cf. vv. 18-21 for context).
But there is one final thing to say. The NT uses our passage very
specifically, as a warning to us today. Both Jude and Peter use this passage along
with Sodom and Gomorrah as a warning against sexual immorality, for they
understand that supernatural beings can be involved in the sexual sins of
mankind, tempting us and even being lured by us in a kind of evil erotic dance
from hell. This is why it says, in my opinion, that a “wife ought to have a
symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels” (1 Cor 11:10). We have
no idea what kinds of things we are messing around with in sexual sin. As bad as
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it is for us, it also brings the very heavens and pits of hell into the mix. Do you
think you have the power to fight both them and yourself?
Then our passage is used as a warning by Jude to keep us under the
authority of Christ, not forsaking authority which is the cause of so much
disruption in the churches. As it also says, there are angels over the seven
churches, and some have become the very synagogues of Satan. This is
supernatural language involving these beings, is it not? We must watch
ourselves, lest we pervert or disregard God’s authority structure in the churches,
as angels did, as Korah did, as Satan did with the body of Moses.
Each of the sins listed in Jude and 2 Peter contribute to this supernatural
uprising, as well as to the uprising of wickedness in our own hearts. Beloved,
there is a supernatural world, and it is tied to this world in ways that we cannot
possible imagine. The Scripture is clear about it. Beware and open your eyes. But
most of all, trust in Christ who has overcome the devil. He is able to keep you
from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory
with great joy. To the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be
glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever.
Amen. with this quotation:

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