Another Update Re Rick Warren ~ James Sundquist

Below is an e-mailing sent from James Sundquist to this blog author, sharing several important links, and revealing how James confronted the Better Business Bureau (BBB) about the Zondervan Publishing Company, in reference to falsified statistical data concerning the sales of Purpose Driven Life (PDL) books.  Much more information is shared regarding false claims of copies sold.  Towards the end of this blog entry, information is shared about Rick Warren’s relationship and report with the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), and his encouragement for “Fake” Christians to find another church:


Another update re Rick Warren
James Sundquist

Hi Steve,

I thought you should be in the latest loop re Warren’s PDL book.

Blessings,  James


Here are the links which show Zondervan making the claims about PDL book.

And the links that show best-selling rankings. (In many cases you won’t even see PDL book or Zondervan because they don’t even make the list. So when did Zondervan cease to be accredited with BBB? I just did a search on BBB site and it still shows Zondervan with an A+ Rating. The BBB district in New Jersey indicated that can’t do anything regarding a member that is not in their district. I am glad the CDC does not have that policy that they will do nothing unless the disease or plague originates in their District.

Yesterday I revisited both Zonervan and Harper Collins site. They have changed the PDL book cover so that it no longer contains the “bestselling” quote they attributed to PW.” However, They do show the quote in description, and Harper does show PW source attribution. But I would take screen shots of my links below before they vanish from the Internet, or Zondervan does not come clean, or engages in a coverup. You posed a very good question. Is Zondervan “currently” making this claim. The answer is yes. Links below. But the bigger question is have they engaged in false advertising the last 10-15 years. Again, the answer is yes, as links below will verify.

Here is the ECPA posting the statement:

And here is the NRB publishing the statement:

I also encourage you to go into a few Christian Bookstores and Barnes and Noble to see if they have any copies left showing the claim on the front cover.

Based on the #1 international bestseller The Purpose Driven Life,” Zondervan:

“After 10 unprecedented years as the best-selling non-fiction hardback in history,”
Source: Charisma News and A. Larry Ross Communications
This when the book had sold 32 million copies. This would mean an average of 3.2 million copies sold per year.
However, it is impossible that 3.2 million copies sold in one year would render the book as the #1 bestseller, or any year.

And then there is this statement:

“the #1 international bestseller, The Purpose Driven Life-”

Note Zondervan does not say “our #1 international bestseller”, but “the #1 international bestseller”. But they have not supply a single ranking list to prove this ranking. Also Warren state that he church has now taken his teachings into all 197 countries. So one can’t help but ask which countries is Warren’s Purpose Driven Life in at all, and which countries they are sold in on his list of 197 countries?


Now I know how easy it can be to pass along information that you thought was true because you trusted the person or company submitting the information to you. But with the plague of fake news and fake dossier, going on in the world, we as Christians must be certain of our statistics and statements we publish. Therefore, it is critical to verify whether or not the statement(s) about Warren’s sales ranking can be statistically and financially verified are true or false. Agreed?

Here is the forensic evidence required to prove, and that is major book sales ranking companies. No company ranks Warren’s book as #1 seller in history.
Zondervan and Rick Warren site Publishers Weekly as the source of this claim. But as you can see from the quote below (#2) in red, the Publishers Weekly President completely renounces that they ever stated or published this claim.

Os Guinness informed me that he had confronted Warren about his claim when he spoke at Saddleback Church Oct 5, 2015, informing him that Guinness Book of Records sold far more copies than Warren’s book, therefore it could not be #1. btw by 2015, Guinness Book of World Records had sold about 123 million, Warren’s book 32 million, not even close. Not even Guinness Book was #1. Warren made no public announcement to rectify that statement, but has kept right on promoting the claim, including just one year ago, April 20, 2017, he confirmed the same claim on Calvary Chapel leader Brian Brodersen’s “Things That Matter” TV program, knowing full well his claim was not true at about 4:53 minutes into Part II of the Interview on this link:


“Things that Matter” hmmmmmmmm? Does truth matter?

Now Warren knew this was not true when he accepted the Billy Graham Award from the NRB for Excellence in Broadcasting in 2016.

I thought you would want a copy of this forensic evidence whether or not Rick Warren’s claim that his Purpose Driven Life book is “the bestselling nonfiction hardback book in history”:

First statement:

“10 years ago, Rick Warren wrote The Purpose Driven Life, which became the bestselling hardback non-fiction book in history” Source:

and here a photo of the front cover of Purpose Driven Life (on both previous editions):

Warren has removed both the quote and the PW attribution from his website too:

But not completely. If you zoom in several times to this image, you will see same same quote and attribution to Publishers Weekly on the bottom of the book cover:

Note when you zoom in on Zondervan book cover the quote is completely blacked out!

But this quote can still be found on Amazon on both the original PDL book cover as well as the New Edition:

Here is the first edition image of book with the claim at the top:

And here is the front cover of the new PDL edition (with new artwork) and quote at the bottom:

Second statement:

“I’ve checked our site which includes all of our content from about 1995.
Also touched base with our religion editors and there is no finding of a
quote like that…We don’t generally use the term hardback.” George W. Slowik, President of Publishers Weekly, September 30, 2013 11:33:08 PM EDT, tel. #: 212-377-5705 or 212-377-5703. And you can search PW website for this sentence, or “bestselling non-fiction hardback book in history” phrase at:

You can search Google and find many reputable and verifiable ranking lists of bestselling books in history, but to save you even more work, here are just a few (I have been in the music industry for half a century, the equivalent to book sales data reports in the music industry is Billboard Magazine, BMI, and ASCAP):


Since Nielsen is who Publishers Weekly uses for sales ranking here is their website:
(They will verify that Publishers Weekly uses their sales tracking data, and you can call PW to verify this too).

“The Second Best-Selling Book of All Time”: posts the top 20 “best-selling nonfiction books of all time”.
James Clear’s Best Selling books list:


Now, I say all of this because I am hope you would not want to conceal from your BBB members and the public, that is false advertising or simply a myth.

So please inform whether or not you will remain silent, even though Zondervan is not currently BBB accredited?

Thank you again for your response! I also thank you for your desire to verify everything. Had anyone done this years ago, millions of consumers would not have been deceived and defrauded.

Kindest regards,

James Sundquist


Dear Steve,
I have amended last part of my letter to SBC Pastors. This is the newest of the 4 pages:



“Finally in a world of FAKE NEWS, this should not even be named in the Church.
So in what could be the greatest irony is that Rick Warren tells “FAKE Christians to find another church.” Source:

So they are fake Christians simply because they don’t go along with his Purpose Driven Life book or Global Peace Plan? Warren quotes the Scripture that says Satan is the Accuser of the Brethren, which is certainly true. But, contrary to a host of Scripture that require accusing false teachers.

Now if Warren feels so strongly about his statement to not criticize other Christians, as he expressed in his Purpose Driven Life book, then why doesn’t he practice what he preaches and not mock and scorn and attack saints by calling them “resisters”, “enemes of the 21st Century”, and “Sanballats’ from Hell” as he and his collaborators do? Using Warren’s argument, he is indicted by his own testimony for doing precisely what he says Satan does. And why didn’t he say this to John Piper when Piper called those biblical discernment authors “slanderers” without a shred of evidence?

Did it ever occur to anyone that it is because myriads of Christians have believed Rick Warren and never warn anyone or confront him for has false teachings and false advertising, that he and his teachings have roamed the earth like a roaring lion with no accountability? And even the SBC Executive Committee will not confront Warren as they proclaim in their own words:

“The Southern Baptist Convention does not renounce
individuals.” Feb 25, 2014

Office of Convention Communications and Relations
Executive Committee of the Southern Baptist Convention
901 Commerce Street
Nashville, TN 37203
(615) 244-2355
So how is this being a good Ezekiel Watchman on the Wall vs. being a derelict watchman that remains silent in the fact of inquity and worse even promotes the same wolves in sheep’s clothing? Had someone in the SBC, or someone wise among the leaders of the SBC, or other major Christian denominations, as the Apostle Paul would ask, stepped up to the plate and had the bravery of the Biblical Deborah, it may have never come to this where we would even be having this conversation talking about Rick Warren’s book being the “bestselling nonfiction hardback book in history”. Instead they are celebrating Warren and giving him awards in broadcasting ministry.

So how does a true Christian then obey the Scriptural New Testament commands of Jesus Christ and the Apostles that used these used these verbs:

mark, expose, reject, reprove, expel, judge, name names, silence, rebuke, sharply rebuke, admonsih, confront, obey Matthew 18 to show him his fault, take two or more witnesses, and expel, with out ACCUSING? Thank God Martin Luther the leaders of the Reformation did not take Rick Warren or the SBC’s advice!

Therefore, I exhort you that if Rick Warren is your pastor, or you are a member of a Purpose Driven Church, then it is you that better find another church that does not preach another gospel! “Come out from among them and be ye separate.” And if you are truly a fake Christian why would Rick Warren send you off to another church to poison its members?

So if Rick Warren really has reached 197 nations with his Global Peace Plan, then he and his publisher Zondervan could have currently achieved the dubious honor of having spread more fake news than any Christian author and publisher in modern history. So the question remains, who is really the Fake Christian pastor/author that we should flee? And who is the real Fake Christian Publisher we should reject?

“Fake news” by Zondervan and Warren should be an oxymoron because we champion TRUTH, because Jesus Christ is the Way the TRUTH and the Life, it separates us from all other religions.

So I would like to alert you to what could be the greatest dupe in Christian publishing history by Zondervan. With one exception, virtually every SBC Pastor and Christian Radio Network in the Country that has now been apprised of the truth, has either rejected it or remained silent, and without exception, every radio station carrying Warren’s Daily Hope program continues to carry his program. Fake News did even phase them. This means all of members of these SBC Churches and all of the radio listeners will be censored from hearing the truth!

Kindest regards in Christ,

James Sundquist”


March 08, 2017 The Seeker-Friendly, Purpose-Driven Cornucopia of False Doctrine

A Blog by Steven Kozar

“For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.”
— 2 Timothy 4:3-4
March 08, 2017
The Seeker-Friendly, Purpose-Driven Cornucopia of False Doctrine

The “attractional” church model is so common that it’s practically the norm; most Christians have assumed that it is the only valid way to “do church” nowadays, or they don’t even know that other legitimate options exist. What is it? Simply put, this model of church starts with the idea that “normal” church is unattractive and can’t bring in new people, so exciting new ideas must be implemented in order to get people in the door. Once people show up for the attractive and entertaining aspects, they’ll eventually hear a gospel message and they’ll “accept Jesus in their hearts” (or something to that effect).
This philosophy makes a number of assertions and assumptions right from the start:
The needs and sensibilities of the unbeliever should determine the strategy of the church.
All of the churches in history (up till now) were doing it wrong: too old-fashioned, too boring, too stiff, too negative, too much doctrine, too ritualistic, etc.
People would be glad to go to church, but it’s just too “churchy.” All we need to do is tone down all the religious stuff, make it fun and “relevant” and people will show up.
A church should focus on meeting people’s needs through “life skills,” “success,” “psychological therapy” and “leadership” training, and it should help it’s members become “purpose-driven” people who can “accomplish their destiny.” A church doesn’t need to preach repentance and the forgiveness of sins anymore; or if it does, it must radically alter the language to appease unbelievers.

Numerical growth is proof of God’s blessing; lack of numerical growth is proof that God is not involved.
In order to build the church, God needs “vision-casting” pastors, and these pastors must then command their followers to do the work required by the “vision” that God gave them.

Robert Schuller (1926-2015) is probably the man most responsible for establishing the Attractional, Seeker-Friendly, Purpose-Driven church model; although a case could be made that Henry Emerson Fosdick (1878-1969) really laid the foundation. Schuller removed many of the “negative” aspects of Christianity like Christ dying on the cross to atone for our sin, hell, God’s anger and God’s wrath; and replaced it with the Positive Thinking philosophy he borrowed directly from his mentor, Norman Vincent Peale (1898-1993). Here’s an article with more detail: Robert Schuller and The Seeker Sensitive Church-The Roots and Fruits of Robert Schuller’s Version of Theological Liberalism by Bob DeWaay
At a very fundamental level, Schuller believed that because modern people didn’t care about their eternal salvation anymore, the church should reach them by appealing to the things that did matter to them; things like their self-esteem and their earthly success and happiness.
“The church must develop a theology for mission. I don’t think it’s done that. I accept John 3:16 as a good one if people have a fear of hell. Maybe they have, but I find a lot of secular people haven’t. At what point can I find a button to push so that I can reach them? I think their desire for self-esteem is that button.”
— Robert Schuller interviewed in Christianity Today, Aug. 10,1984
“I don’t think anything has been done in the name of Christ and under the banner of Christianity that has proven more destructive to human personality and hence counterproductive to the evangelistic enterprise than the unchristian, uncouth strategy of attempting to make people aware of their lost and sinful condition.”
— Robert Schuller “Dr. Schuller Comments,” (letter to the editor), Christianity Today, October 5, 1984, pp. 12-13




A New Reformation? The Christian Research Institute Examines the Theology of Robert Schuller
After Schuller established the Crystal Cathedral and his T.V. Show “The Hour of Power” there were two young pastors who took his ideas and implemented them on an even larger scale: Bill Hybels and Rick Warren. Both of these men learned about growing a church directly from Schuller when they were starting their new churches. Although Schuller was often viewed with skepticism by many Evangelicals (because he had so clearly altered and reduced the Gospel message), both Hybels and Warren have maintained more mainstream reputations as genuine Evangelicals and have escaped much scrutiny. But when examined more carefully, the Mega-Church/Attractional model they brought to full fruition in Willow Creek Church (Hybels) and Saddleback Church (Warren) is not really an orthodox, Biblical Church; it’s a strange hybrid that ends up creating more problems than it solves.
Rick Warren and his wife, Kay, attended Robert Schuller’s “Institute for Church Growth” in 1979 while Warren was in his last year of seminary. In a 2002 interview for Christianity Today Magazine, Kay Warren said this of their visit to the institute: “He (Schuller) had a profound effect on Rick. We were captivated by his positive appeal to non-believers. I never looked back.” (Christianity Today, Nov. 18, 2002) Rick Warren, however, has been strangely silent about the obvious influence that Schuller has had on him.
A big problem with the Mega-Church message is that it’s a watered-down and neutered message. This Christianity is focused on meeting the “felt needs” of people, but the Gospel message is about how Christ gave His life as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. He didn’t die on the cross to give us purpose or make us successful. The true and complete Gospel must be preached so that people can hear the Word of God and can understand the weight of their sin; it’s only from that point that people have the opportunity to repent and have their sins forgiven. In the worse case, “Mega-Church” scenario, the message confuses people into thinking that becoming a Christian is simply “accepting” Jesus so that He can make you more complete, or more satisfied. As an example of this, Rick Warren had a chance to preach a gospel message to a gigantic audience at a TED Talk in 2008, but he choose to preach a feel-good, non-Christian message instead:
“So the good life is not about looking good, feeling good, or having the goods. It’s about being good and doing good. The bottom line is that God gets pleasure watching you be you. Why? He made you. And when you do what you are made to do, He goes, ‘That’s my boy.’ ‘That’s my girl.’ You are using the talent and the ability that God gave you. So my advice to you is look at what is in your hand, your identity, your influence, your income. And say, ‘It’s not about me; it’s about making the world a better place. Thank you.”
— Rick Warren, TED Talk, February, 2006
(Here’s the complete TED Talk given by Rick Warren in February, 2006)

Here’s an example of Andy Stanley freely admitting that he uses “attractional” messages to get people to attend his Mega-Church:
“People are not on a truth quest; they are on a happiness quest. They will continue to attend your church – even if they don’t share your beliefs – as long as they find the content engaging and helpful.”
— Andy Stanley
One of the most striking characteristics of the Attractive, Seeker-Friendly church is the constant emphasis on LEADERSHIP. This is not surprising, since much of the philosophy behind this church model is not based on the Bible-it’s based on business principles. The non-Christian business guru Peter Drucker (1909-2005) has probably had more influence on this idea of church than any single pastor. Read: Peter Drucker’s Mega-Church Legacy. Both Hybels and Warren refer to Drucker as their primary mentor. Here’s a quote from Bill Hybels book “Courageous Leadership” that clearly portrays his near-idolatry of leadership:
“I believe that the great tragedy of the church in our time has been its failure to recognize the importance of the spiritual gift of leadership. It appears to me that only a fraction of pastors worldwide are exercising the spiritual gift of leadership, organizing the church around it, and deploying church members through it. The results, in terms of church growth and worldwide spiritual impact, are staggering.”
— Bill Hybels
The following articles are from various people coming from various theological backgrounds who all agree that the “attractional” “seeker-friendly” “purpose-driven” church model should be reconsidered:
Redefining the Church-The Church Growth Movement’s Unbiblical Definition of the Church by Bob DeWaay
Straight Talk About the Seeker Church Movement by Grace to You Ministries
Schuller Planted, Hybels Watered, Warren (Peter Drucker) Gives The Increase by Orrel Steinkamp
Many Articles about the Unbiblical Nature of the Church Growth Movement by Deception in the Church
The Problems With The Purpose-Driven Definition of a Christ Follower
Why I Left Your Seeker-Friendly Church
The Church Growth Movement: An Analysis of Rick Warren’s “Purpose Driven” Church Growth Strategy by Dennis Castella
Seeker Movement on Critical Issues Commentary Radio (5 different shows)
The Faulty Premises of the Church Growth Movement on Critical Issues Commentary Radio (4 different shows)
Celebrity Pastor is Not a Biblical Church Office by Elliott Nesch
“Church… Business… What’s the Difference?” Confused Willow Creek Leadership Conference by Steven Kozar
Bill Hybels Talks About Popeye (Much) More Than Jesus in the Museum of Idolatry
Bill Hybels: “God Uses a Re-Crafted Schedule to Transform Lives” in the Museum of Idolatry
Resistance is Futile: You Will Be Assimilated Into the Community (Fighting for the Faith with more links)
The Andy Stanley Cornucopia of False Teaching, Fast Talking and Postmodern Ambiguity
Seeker-Sensual Church Growth (Fighting for the Faith Episode with Rosebrough, Kozar and Spreeman)
Purpose Driven Dismantling of Christianity by Marsha West

The following video from our friend Elliot Nesch, is probably the most careful and comprehensive examination of the mega-church model available on the internet. This is three hours of very important material; every Christian should watch this (and then watch it again!):

The following two videos are based on the excellent “White Horse Inn” radio program:

Steven Kozar
Seeker-Friendly, Purpose-Driven, Cornucopia


Getting Booted From Elevation Church
Podcast: Marcia Montenegro Talks …
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March 2018


Shorter Version Of Seeker Sensitive/Purpose Driven Video Above:



An Examination of Rick Warren’s Teaching on “Exponential Growth”

Have you ever read or heard from someone who echoed your very words and thoughts?  That is how I felt as I read Brian Jonson’s expose on the error of Rick Warren.  Like Brian, I never finished Warren’s books because they were so theologically unsound.  Like Brian, I too noted Warren’s lack of the mention of the bedrock of our faith – repenting, becoming saved, born again and washed in His blood.  Like Brian, I am fascinated by the fact that the Southern Baptists have never held him accountable.  I could go on and on, but you get the picture.  

In Christ, Pastor Steve



An Examination of Rick Warren’s Teaching on “Exponential Growth”

by Brian Jonson


Rick Warren, pastor of the largest Southern Baptist Church in the world, has become a household name.  Author of the best selling book “Purpose-Driven Life”, he has more exposure both to the unsaved world and church than almost any other Christian author.  Clearly, when he speaks, people listen.  James 3:1 reminds us that teachers are under a different level of scrutiny from God than anyone else.  Tasked with being an evangel of the Good News, a minister must approach his calling with the utmost sobriety and care.  In this brief discussion, I have no intention of calling into question Rick Warren’s motives.  I have no reason to believe that he doesn’t love God, his church and the unsaved.  There is nothing in his life that leads me to believe he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.  However, the Bible encourages us to examine all things as Bereans and be discerning.  No one is above this Biblical examination.  The ends never justify the means when it comes to Christian ministry.


The video[1] on exponential growth, presented by Warren, is one of the most shocking teachings I have ever seen emerge from a Southern Baptist.  Our denomination is considered conservative and thoroughly Bible-based.  When a minister in the SBC presents philosophies or doctrines that are contrary to scripture, he must be rebuked.  This is true of the pastor of the smallest congregation as well as the largest.  The fact that Saddleback Church is the largest in our movement makes this action so much more urgent.


I am not ashamed to confess that I have never been a fan of The Purpose-Driven Life, Church or associated activities.  I read some of both of these books and, frankly, didn’t need to finish either one.  There are two distinct features present in Warren’s philosophy.  First, he relies on pragmatism and weak doctrine.  Second, he misuses scripture to such a degree that I question whether he had a single course in Biblical hermeneutics.


Pragmatism is the practice of relying on methods or techniques rather than our Sovereign Lord for results.  Pragmatism is the notion that meaning or worth is determined by practical consequences. It is the philosophy that looks to the world’s marketing methodologies or poll results rather than Biblical examples or mandates.  When determining how to “run” a church a Bible-based pastor will ask the question “what most honors God or is clearly revealed in Scripture” while the pragmatist will take a survey in the community.  One of Warren’s more famous actions is in the area of music.  He claims he polled the surrounding community and asked what their musical preference was.  After determining the popular consensus, he “got rid of the organ” and set up a rock band.  There is nothing unbiblical about a “rock” band, but making that determination based on a poll of unsaved people is a questionable method at best.  R.C. Sproul put it well when he said this:


The only seekers we tend to draw with seeker sensitive services are believers seeking a different church. By presenting a God who wants us to look at ourselves, who doesn’t judge and command, who has a wonderful set of insights on how to have a happy, healthy marriage we put God’s imprimatur on narcissism. There’s nothing evangelicals like more than to be told that God loves them just the way they are.

But why aren’t the seekers coming? They like pop music, so we give them pop music. They like stories so we give them dramas. They like anonymity, so we let them have it. They like convenience, so we’ll change their oil while they’re here (this by the way is being done). The problem is that we can do none of these things as well as the world can. Why get up on a Sunday morning and drive somewhere to listen to pop music, when it’s as close as my stereo? Why settle for cheesy scripts and sets when the television does it so much better? Why spend an hour getting an oil change when the pros can do it in ten minutes?[2]


Warren’s weak theology and misuse of scripture is significant and replete throughout his material.  Conspicuously absent in “The Purpose Driven Life” is a clear definition of what it is to be born-again.[3]  There is no question in my mind that this is one of the reasons it remains on the best-seller lists.  Perhaps the following quote is as close as Warren comes to explaining what it is to be redeemed:


“God won’t ask about your religious background or doctrinal views. The only thing that will matter is, did you accept what Jesus did for you and did you learn to love and trust him?” (Warren: 34).


Really?  If that is true, then the Mormons should take great comfort.  After urging his readers to believe God chose them and receive the Holy Spirit for power to “fulfill your life purpose” (Warren 58), he offers a little prayer that will save people. According to Warren, here is how you are saved: “I invite you to bow your head and quietly whisper the prayer that will change your eternity, ‘Jesus, I believe in you and I receive you.” Then he makes this promise, “If you sincerely meant that prayer congratulations! Welcome to the family of God!” (Warren: 59)


Where is the wrath of God against sinners?  Where is the atonement of the blood of Christ?  This is one example of Warren’s weak theology.


Regarding his misuse of scripture, consider the following:


“The Bible says, ‘Self-help is no help at all. Self-sacrifice is the way, my way, to finding yourself, your true self’” (Warren: 19).


The passage he quotes is Matthew 16:25.  The translation (or paraphrase) is from The Message.  The New King James reads “For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.”


Clearly, this passage is teaching that we are to consider our lives dead (carry our cross) daily in order to follow Christ.  This passage does not teach anything about self-help or self-esteem.  And yet, Warren makes an odd leap to just that when he says “It is about becoming what God created you to be” (Warren: 19).  This is simply untrue.


There are many examples of this type of error in his book.  Warren attended Robert Schuller’s school of church growth.   Schuller’s emphasis on self esteem and pragmatism are very clearly adopted in Warren’s philosophy.  Schuller endorsed “The Purpose Driven Church” in the first few pages.  How Warren could accept the endorsement of a man who has denied sin and completely lost the gospel is beyond me.


I would now like to discuss the “Exponential Thinking” video that I mentioned at the beginning.   This video is intended for pastors who are preparing for their “Purpose-Driven” church program.  In this 20 minute presentation, Rick Warren departs from sound hermeneutics over and over again.  From the first few sentences, I could easily have replaced this Southern Baptist with a modern Charismatic and would not have noticed a difference.  There was almost nothing Baptist about his brief discussion.


Here are some things Warren said in the first few minutes:


“…Most important principal – exponential thinking.”


“If you want God to do something really big in your church, you’re going to have to apply the principals of exponential thinking as taught in the Bible.”


“The Lord clearly put an idea in my mind…God spoke to me that my faith was not big enough…”you must think exponentially” was the thought that God kept putting in my mind.”


Now, my first thought is, “what is exponential thinking?”  He is asserting that it is “the most important principal” and so it is fair to examine this term as he defines it.  Essentially, Warren claims exponential thinking is “adding a zero” to whatever number you have in mind.  Let’s put this in context.  Warren is introducing a church growth strategy and claims this term is the most important principal.  What is the church?  Is the church an organization?  Is it a business?  Is it a non-profit benevolence organization?  Is it a counseling center?  No, the church is the living Body of Christ. It is not an organization; it is an organism.  Christ is the head and He is the responsible for its growth.  Consider Acts 2:46:


46 pSo continuing daily with one accord qin the temple, and rbreaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And sthe Lord added 8to the church daily those who were being saved.[4]

It seems clear to me that the “most important principal” of church growth is the sovereign oversight of the Lord Jesus Christ.  Warren’s strategy of exponential thinking supplants God’s role as the One Who ultimately grows His church.  No amount of strategies, gimmicks, persuasion or promises will result in true church growth.  Our sovereign Lord is the One responsible for that.

When Warren says “if you want God to do something really big…” then you have to think exponentially.  Also, he says “God spoke to me that my faith wasn’t big enough.”  I have to admit, when I saw him make these statements I instantly thought of the type of false teaching one sees on TBN any given day of the week.  Hebrews 1 says that “God…has in these last days spoken to us through His Son.”  No one hears the audible voice of God.  If Warren meant to say that he felt an impression that his faith wasn’t big enough, then he should be careful to word it that way.  A responsible Pastor shouldn’t be this careless.  Regardless of how it was worded, one must question whether it is a valid statement.  If God is the One who is responsible for growing His church, and no other method is therefore legitimate, then would God chastise Warren for a lack of faith in something he can’t do?  From the very beginning, his premise is faulty.  Nonetheless, he claims God gave Him 10 principles related to exponential growth.  They are:


  1. Exponential growth is possible – Gen. 47:27


With his first point, Warren begins the train wreck of faulty exegesis.


27 So Israel cdwelt in the land of Egypt, in the country of Goshen; and they had possessions there and dgrew and multiplied exceedingly.[5]


Somehow, Warren wants to take this passage out of context and attempts to apply it to a specific church growth program promise.  The Genesis passage simply states a fact; the children of Israel multiplied exceedingly, even exponentially.  However, this is directly tied to the fact that God specifically told Abraham that they would!  There is nothing revelatory here.   There is nothing related to Warren’s “40 Days of Purpose” program here.   Surprisingly, he analogously mentions Starbucks and Krispy Kreme as examples of why we should expect our churches to grow exponentially.  Instead of recognizing that the church is not a business, he compares it to two fast-growth companies.  Anyone with a reasonable amount of discernment should see the invalidity of this illustration.


  1. Exponential growth is the New Testament model – Acts 6:7


7 Then mthe word of God spread, and the number of the disciples multiplied greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many nof the priests were obedient to the faith.[6]

Warren takes a general statement about the Body of Christ and applies it to individual congregations.  Has the church grown exponentially since the book of Acts?  Certainly.  Should we expect that same growth in each congregation?  Nothing says we should.  By God’s Providence, there are Christian churches in nearly every community of America.  Many of these communities are very small.  Some of them are in dying towns.  Is it reasonable for a small, God-honoring church in a small town to experience exponential growth?  I would say no.  Does this mean the pastor’s faith is deficient?  I don’t think so.  Calling exponential growth a New Testament model is only accurate if one refers to the body of Christ as a whole and not individual congregations.


  1. Exponential growth brings honor to God – Is. 26:15


15 Thou hast increased the nation, O LORD, thou hast increased the nation: thou art glorified: thou hadst removed it far unto all the ends of the earth.[7]



This point is almost unnecessary.  No one questions the truth of what is stated here.  The passage in Isaiah is looking toward the prophetic reality that Israel would be increased after their captivity.  God would not forget them and He would restore them and return growth.  God will receive honor for that.  There is no direct application to an individual congregation here.  Worse, he makes the following statement regarding this point:


“We limit God when we think of addition instead of multiplication…God wants us to think in exponential terms”


He does?  Where does God say that in His Word?  The viewer is asked to accept this statement at face value without any support whatsoever.  Perhaps Warren relies on the fact that he has already indicated that he hears the very voice of God, so how can we question him?  The very suggestion that we “limit God” is blasphemous.  It is an ultimate affront to a Sovereign God to suggest that our actions, or inactions, somehow deny Him the ability to accomplish His purposes.  There is very, very bad theology here and I am afraid most viewers won’t even notice it.


  1. Exponential growth captures the attention of the unbelieving world – Ex. 1:12


12 But the more they afflicted them, the more they multiplied and grew. And they were grieved because of the children of Israel.[8]


Any layman bible student could identify this passage as meaningful only because of its context.  The Egyptian task-masters were laying a heavy burden on the enslaved Hebrews.  Because of the Abrahamic promise of phenomenal growth, the children of Israel continued to magnify in numbers in spite of their maltreatment.  The Egyptians were grieved because they witnessed this fact.  With complete mistreatment of God’s Word, Warren hurls this example into the New Testament age and says this, “Wouldn’t you like people…to be alarmed because your church is growing so fast?”  I don’t understand how Warren can ask this type of question.


  1. Exponential growth is caused by God – Deut. 1:10


10 The LORD your God has multiplied you, jand here you are today, as the stars of heaven in multitude.[9]


This passage is related to Israel, just as was the case in earlier points.  Nonetheless, his statement, “exponential growth is caused by God” is unarguably true.  My question for Warren is this:  If exponential growth is caused by God, then why are you teaching people how to achieve it by using your program?  I truly wonder if Warren is remotely aware of how he contradicts the purpose of his program by acquiescing to God’s sovereignty here.


  1. Exponential Growth is the result of God’s blessing on your life – Is. 51:2


2 Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him. [10]


Warren seems fixated with God’s promise to Abraham to magnify the Israelites, probably because it fits his thesis so well.  This technique, finding isolated or unrelated scriptures that support a particular thesis or position, is becoming more and more common among Southern Baptists.  When a pastor/teacher approaches the Word of God piecemeal instead of verse by verse and in context, he is in danger of serious interpretative errors.  This is a perfect example.  Additionally, the supposition he is making in point six is faulty.  It is a logical “if/then” statement.  If God blesses your life, then you will experience exponential growth.  He is attributing this growth to God’s blessing.  Then, he applies this to each church congregation equally.  As I said earlier, it is unreasonable to expect every local church to grow as Warren expects them to grow.  There are various demographic and certainly spiritual reasons why certain churches will not grow exponentially.  I’ll go so far as to say the Bible indicates growing apostasy in the last days, not a surge in church growth.  If anything, we might expect to see less growth since the Way is narrow.


  1. Exponential Growth makes God smile.  He rewards it  – no scripture reference


Warren referenced the parable of the talents after presenting this point.  Perhaps the reader has noticed what I noticed – if exponential growth is caused by God (see point 5) and if it brings God honor (point 3), then why is God rewarding man for it?  He is teaching how to cause exponential growth to occur but then says it is all up to God.  After saying it is all up to God he is claiming God will reward us for doing it.  This is contradictory and confusing, at best.


  1. The only barrier to exponential growth is our own unbelief – Mark 6:52


52 For ythey had not understood about the loaves, because their zheart was hardened.[11]

There is nothing in the above verse that relates to whether or not a local church will experience a specific amount of growth.  Does our lack of faith limit God?  No, certainly not.  Does our lack of faith limit our effectiveness or restrict what God may do through us?  That question deserves careful theological consideration.  On at least one occasion our Lord limited the miracles that he did based on a lack of man’s faith (Mark 6:5, 6).  However we deal with this issue, we can be sure it doesn’t apply as Warren supposes.  God is sovereign over His church; He is the one who causes growth.  Warren is making this a responsibility of man.


  1. The secret of exponential growth is believing God for big things – Mat. 9:29; James 5:16


29 Then He touched their eyes, saying, “According to your faith let it be to you.”[12]


16 1Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. sThe effective, 2fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. [13]


Warren’s promise in this point is contingent upon the validity of the concept of “exponential growth.”  As we are discovering, the entire premise is wrong and, therefore, this comment is irrelevant.  The passages he has provided are particularly instructive here.  It is true that our belief in God can/will result in “big things”.  Physical healing as part of Messianic prophecy and having our sins forgiven are essential biblical elements.  Believing God for a local church growth program is something else entirely.


  1. Exponential Growth begins with exponential thinking – Is. 4:2,3


2 In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautifula and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel. 3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:[14]


I am unable to find the connection between Warren’s tenth point and this passage from Isaiah.


When I read a statement like this, I think immediately of Norman Vincent Peale or Robert Schuller.  This type of “change reality with your thoughts” is from the charismatic word faith heresy.  There is no excuse for a Southern Baptist minister to be dabbling in these issues.  Unfortunately, the popularity of his books and programs appear to have numbed the doctrinal discernment of millions of evangelicals.  In my view, a statement such as this should set off red alarms immediately.


As if these ten points aren’t enough, Warren then spends a couple of minutes explaining how to utilize exponential thinking.  Here are some quotes:


“How do you think exponentially?  You simply put a zero behind the number.”


He said God said to him, “you are not thinking big enough – add a zero”.  Instead of 3000, think of 30,000.  He recommends we do this in our events.  “God would have to show up…force us to think in ways we’ve never thought before.”


“exponential thinking keeps you from making the mistake of setting up a system that won’t get bigger.”  He said the church is “stuck in a shoe that isn’t able to get any bigger.”  This is due to our faulty thinking.


“Pastors and leaders…you are limiting the growth of your church because you haven’t set a goal that forces you to think out of the box and … do things in new ways.”  “We may be limiting God’s will for our churches.” “Faith stretches us…works in the realm of the impossible…whatsoever is not of faith is sin.”


Please read these quotes again.  These statements are not being made by an Oral Roberts or Benny Hinn; they are uttered by the pastor of the largest church in the Southern Baptist Convention.  Where is the accountability?  Who is rebuking Warren on his faulty doctrine and man-centered theology?  How does this kind of program enjoy such acceptance?  I believe the answer is pragmatism.  Many pastors are unhappy and even depressed with their smaller congregations.  They feel as if preaching the Word expositionally is not interesting enough.  They see a Rick Warren take off his socks and put on a Hawaiian shirt and think the power of God is behind it.  There is a famine of the Word of God in our land.  There is no famine of mega-churches or Rick Warren’s books.  And, I fear that those who are trying to subsist on a diet of “purpose-driven” philosophy will find their ears tickled and spiritual strength gone.




[2] R.C. Sproul at

[3] Having admitted I never finished his book, I nonetheless support this statement based on discussions I’ve had with Christians who have read it and can confirm this point.

p Acts 1:14

q Luke 24:53

r Luke 24:30; Acts 2:42; 20:7; [1 Cor. 10:16]

s Acts 5:14

8 NU omits to the church

[4]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 . Thomas Nelson: Nashville

c Gen. 47:11

d Gen. 17:6; 26:4; 35:11; 46:3; Ex. 1:7; Deut. 26:5; Acts 7:17

[5]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 . Thomas Nelson: Nashville

m Acts 12:24; Col. 1:6

n John 12:42

[6]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 . Thomas Nelson: Nashville

[7]The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 . Logos Research Systems, Inc.: Oak Harbor, WA

[8]The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 . Logos Research Systems, Inc.: Oak Harbor, WA

j Gen. 15:5; 22:17; Ex. 32:13; Deut. 7:7; 10:22; 26:5; 28:62

[9]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 . Thomas Nelson: Nashville

[10]The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 . Logos Research Systems, Inc.: Oak Harbor, WA

y Matt. 16:9–11; Mark 8:17, 18

z Is. 63:17; Mark 3:5; 16:14

[11]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 . Thomas Nelson: Nashville

[12]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 . Thomas Nelson: Nashville

1 NU Therefore confess your sins

s Num. 11:2

2 supplication

[13]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 . Thomas Nelson: Nashville

a beautiful…: Heb. beauty and glory

[14] The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 . Logos Research Systems, Inc.: Oak Harbor, WA



Two Entire Books Exposing Some Of The Falsehoods Taught By Rick Warren

The following two books were written by James Sunquist, friend of this blog author, and reveal some of the falsehoods in the teachings of Rick Warren:

1)Who’s Driving The Purpose Driven Church?  A Documentary On The Teachings Of Rick Warren

2)Rick Warren’s Global PEACE Plan Vs. Scriptural Teachings On Peace


Simply key the following link, and then key 1)Who’s Driving The Purpose Driven Church and 2) Rick Warren’s Global Peace Plan  You can read the two books in their entirety:

Rick Warren’s Heresy And Lies Are Further Unveiled ~ Compiled By James Sundquist



And here is proof that his SHAPE Personality Profile is based on the foundation of Carl Jung’s Personality Theory he obtained from a spirit-guide named Philemon (published in two conservative Christian Theological Journals):
(see color charts)

And here is the article:

But this can be verified by a number of sources.


Now there are 196 countries in the world. Rick Warren identified Purpose Driven Countries, based on his list of even potential Purpose Driven Countries from above list, is twelve nations. 12 divided by 196 = .06 or 6% of the world’s countries that would be in Rick Warren’s matrix. Again this is assuming that every single country on his Global Peace Plan is, or has gone Purpose Driven Country. The only country that is in reality listed as an official PDC Country is Rwanda, which has now rejected him, and the Rwandan Embassy in Washington D.C. Confirmed on March 16, 2017, said there is no official connection to Rick Warren’s regarding calling Rwanda a Purpose Driven Country. Also see:

“according to AfroAmerican Network sources in Kinshasa. … We praise God for the fact that Rick Warren has not been in Rwanda for a while,”


Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven Countries Percentage of earth by square miles = 8%

Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven Countries Percentage of earth by population = 14%

Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven Countries (12) Percentage of total number of countries on the earth (196) = 6%

Do these figures constitute a Global Peace Plan to you?

And, like Warren’s boast about his PDL book sales being the best-selling hardback book in history, which raises the obvious question, who was second in sales, likewise, which country is the Second Purpose Driven Country, if Rwanda is First? Fifth? 54Th? Where is there a list? If there is such a list, it would be a list of one, at one point, but now would be zero. The fact is that the truth and the true number of Rick Warren Purpose Driven Countries percentage is closer to zero percent. Now one of my close friends once told me many years ago when I was touring the country in concert ministry when I was discouraged about concert attendance. He had both the wisdom of being a Christian songwriter and concert minister himself, but grew up in a legendary Gospel music singing family. I will never forget what he said to me: “Which is better, ten thousand screaming fans, or one whole person from your music ministry?” This edifying word of exhortation is something I will never forget. The point here is that the Great Commission and ministry is not a contest. The Apostle Paul rebuked Christians in Colossians for doing this. But it is Rick Warren that has turned this into a contest in his so-called God’s dream for him and God’s dream for you, with his Global Peace Plan. So where in Scripture does it tell us that God dreams? Is this God’s Dream, or God’s Nightmare? Rick Warren compares his Global Peace Plan to Nehemiah’s Wall. But Nehemiah succeeded in his righteous act of building the wall around Jerusalem. Warren tries to call Nehemiah’s building of the wall a “vision”. Really? Who’s vision? There is nothing in the Book of Nehemiah about a vision. The Prophets Moses, Ezekiel, Micah and Daniel had visions, clearly recorded in Scripture as such. Nehemiah did not! Then Warren would have us believe that God gave Nehemiah a dream (to build the wall). I challenge everyone out there to do your own search in the Book of Nehemiah, and show me one verse where the word “dream” even occurs, let alone that God gave Nehemiah a dream. So not only did Rick Warren get the facts wrong about the Book of Nehemiah, he has misappropriated what applied only to Nehemiah for himself and applied it to the Church today! This is also highly presumptuous that his Global Peace Plan is for the the entire church, not just his church or Purpose Driven Network. Read the entire book for yourself. Rick Warren wrongly presumes that his Global Peace Plan is from God. It should be obvious at this point that it could not have been from the Lord. Warren’s wall has collapsed…total failure! Warren’s wall more closely resembles the Walls of Jericho, than it does the Nehemiah’s Wall. Rick Warren is no Nehemiah. Numbers, Numbers, Numbers as he boasts with both his book sales and number of countries he as recruited or hopes to integrate into his Global Peace Plan! And it has been more than a decade since he launched this Global Peace Plan, and this is all he has to show for it? (Using his argument, not mine!) What a track record! And what a contrast what the Macedonia’s would have had in their report on the Apostle Paul vs. Rwanda’s report on Rick Warren! And what a model for Rick Warren to call RWANDA the “NATIONAL MODEL” for his entire GLOBAL PEACE PLAN? (This is nothing against the nation of RWANDA or its people, but Warren’s own catastrophic failure of his own Global Peace Plan blueprints for the total of 196 nations on the earth (the Globe)). In fact, let’s look more closely at what Rwanda really thinks about Rick Warren:
Rick Warren’s first Purpose Driven Country, Rwanda, has virtually rejected him. See:
There was a story that just ran in Rwanda in September 2016, documenting that his program there has completely collapsed.
Here is the story:





(Cartoon by professional cartoonist and former victim of Rick Warren, and friend of James Sundquist)

The following list was recently compiled by James Sundquist, thusly refuting the lie of Rick Warren’s claims that the “Purpose Driven Life” was the greatest selling non-fiction book ever.  Mr. Sundquist spent hundreds of hours researching the following data:




Zondervan (Harper/Collins) and Rick Warren would have us believe that 32 million sales of his PDL book make his the “bestselling nonfiction hardback book in history” when is takes hundreds of millions of sales to even make the top ten in history, and billions of sales to be #1 or #2. Furthermore, George Slowick, the President of Publishers Weekly totally disavows the claim that Warren and Zondervan attribute to PW.

Rick Warren’s (and Zondervan’s) Public Relations firm issued this false advertising press release which you likely also received, believing it to be true:

“After 10 unprecedented years as the best-selling non-fiction hardback in history, Rick Warren’s The Purpose Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For? is being re-tooled and re-released by Zondervan”

What this statement means is that you are claiming that the PDL book was also the bestselling book in history in 2002, as the above PR was in 2012, and continued to hold that ranking every year since through 2012. They posted that this book had sold 30 million by 2007. This is an average of 6 million books per year, or approximately 6 million in the first year (2002). So by whose authority renders 6 million as bestseller in history in 2002, and which author was eclipsed, and where is the ranking list which would show that author now #2?

But his PDL book had not even sold 6 million in the first year. Proof:

“By January, 2003 The Purpose Driven Life had sold 500,000 copies and was awarded the Gold Book Award. Just two months later it had crossed the 1 million threshold and was awarded the Platinum Book Award.”

Purpose Driven Life was award the Gold Book Award for having sold 500,000 copies by January 2003, and had sold 1 million by March 2003, by Evangelical Christian Publishers Association (ECPA). But this total pitifully short of being the bestselling nonfiction hardback book in its first year, or any year since. I don’t have an issue with the number of books Warren sold, but not telling the truth about the book sales.

At first I was willing to give Larry Ross Communications the benefit of the doubt, and that they were simply passing on and promoting what Rick Warren and Zondervan were feeding them. But now they know with certainly that this claim is fraudulent and farcical! But the fact is Warren’s book was NEVER the bestselling nonfiction hardback book in history in any year or any of the combined total for all of these years. You must certainly know this claim is fraudulent and farcical! But the fact is Warren’s book was NEVER the bestselling nonfiction hardback book in history in any year or any of the combined total for all of these years.

In this regard, we are both aware of the following Scriptures (that I am confident you agree with):

“…we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:” Isaiah 28:15
“If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” 2 John 9-11
Finally, Christianity is about TRUTH and the the Way the TRUTH, and the Life, which is Jesus Christ himself. So to promote falsehood to tens of millions, and training them in it, is the antithesis of Christianity and brings shame upon the Name of Jesus Christ.

This proves with certainty that Warren/Zondervan and PR Firm A. Larry Ross have committed fraud and false advertising, and fake endorsement (attribution).

Sincerely in Christ

James Sundquist



For your reference here is what Rick Warren posted this on his Purpose Driven website for his Global Peace Plan website:

Purpose Driven Life is “the bestselling nonfiction hardback book in history” (attributed to Publishers Weekly…meaning number 1):
and here it is on Zondervan, his publisher:


I recently received an email from Os Guinness (Guinness Book of Records). He spoke at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church. He said he teased Rick Warren that the Guinness Book of Records sold more books than Warren’s PDL Book. He would know. But Guinness own site states 138 million sold. They sell 2.5 million per year. So in 2012 that figure would have been about 123 million, when Warren had sold 32 million, when they made their claim they attributed to PW. That is about 7 times Warren’s sales (both are nonfiction). But even 123 million does not make the top ten.
Now for anyone to name their book as number one, it always comes from a list. Where is the list? All other books in top twenty, 50, or 100, lists the book and the number as well as the ranking of everyone who is NOT number one.

Rick Warren’s book is not even in the top ten Christian bestsellers list (a few of these are fiction, so this would bring Warren within the top ten…but his claim is ALL nonfiction hardback books):

“Other than the Bible, which is the far and away the best-
selling Christian book of all time with sales in the billions,
here is my list for your consideration:
The Imitation of Christby Thomas à Kempis (1418) – Sales Unknown, but widely regarded as the best-selling Christian title after the Bible.
Book of Common Prayer (various editions starting in mid 16th Century) – 300 million (estimated)
Pilgrims Progress by John Bunyan (1678) – 250 million
Foxe’s Book of Martyrs by John Foxe (1563) – 150 million

Lord of the Rings, J.R.R. Tolkien (1954) – 150 million
The Hobbit, J.R.R. Tolkien (1937) – 142 million
The Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe by C.S. Lewis (1950) – 85 million
Steps to Christ by Ellen White (1892) – 60 million (estimated)
Ben Hur by Lew Wallace (1880) – 50 million
The Late Great Planet Earth by Hal Lindsey (1970) – 35 million
In His Steps by Charles Sheldon (1896) – 30 million
The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren (2002) – 30 million
The Power of Positive Thinking by Norman Vincent Peale (1952) – 20 million
The Shack by William Paul Young (2007) – 20 million
The Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri (1320) – 12 million (in last 150+ years)
The Five Love Languages by Gary Chapman (1995) – 10 million+
Jesus Calling by Sarah Young (2004) – 10 million+
Heaven is for Real by Todd Burpo (2010) – 10 million+
More Than A Carpenter by Josh McDowell (1977) – 10 million+
The Prayer of Jabez by Bruce Wilkinson (2000) – 10 million+
The Total Woman by Marabel Morgan (1974) – 10 million
The Gospel According to Peanuts, Robert Short (1965) – 10 million”

Rick Warren and his publisher Zondervan (now Harper-Collins) claim that Publishers Weekly stated that Rick Warren’s is “the bestselling non-fiction hardback book in history.” If this were true, Warren’s book would appear on PW’s own website list of best selling non-fiction books in history. PW does have such a top 25 list, here it is, and Rick Warren is not on it!:

Note in the link that Publishers Weekly uses Nielsen tracking, one of the most reputable bookselling sales tracking and ranking companies in the world. PW can supply you with sales figures for EVERY year since 1998. Secondly, note that on that link PW and the industry at large does not use the term “hardback”, rather they use the term “hardcover”.

For example, you can type in Publishers Weekly site search engine any book such as Purpose Driven Life, or Southern Baptist author Daniel Darling’s IFAITH book:

The printed version of the review in Publishers Weekly shows the page number. In the case of Darling’s book, page 54, and date of the PW Issue: December 13, 2010. Furthermore, you can see that every book review on PW shows the author of the review.

Go to Publishers Weekly search engine to verify anything Publishers Weekly ever said about any book. In other words, if a statement is made by Publishers Weekly about a book, it is in Publishers Weekly.

One more thing here is a statement by George Slowik, President of Publishers Weekly regarding Rick Warren’s statement about his PDL book:

George W. Slowik, President of Publishers Weekly:
“I’ve checked our site which includes all of our content from about 1995.
Also touched base with our religion editors and there is no finding of a
quote like that…We don’t generally use the term hardback.” September 30, 2013 11:33:08 PM EDT

If people don’t believe my report, call Publishers Weekly yourself and ask to speak their President George Slowik or their chief religion editor, Lynn Garrett. Did you ever verify this claim yourself. If not, you should verify this. But I am surprised no one at your church, Warren’s Church, or Zondervan editors never questioned the validity of this claim. Here is PW’s tel. #: 212-377-5705 or 212-377-5703


A blog entry soon to follow from James Sundquist will examine how Rick Warren used Carl Jung’s Personality Types for his Shape Discovery 301 series, Warren’s Global Peace Plan, and his alliance with the Roman Catholic Church.

Blessings, Pastor Steve

2015 Second Orlando Prophecy Summit, Part 66

This article represents the final installation of this prophecy conference.  It was a lot of work to listen to every speaker, but what a blessing to finally complete this monumental task!  If you read and peruse the 66 articles, you will glean the main topics and teachings from each and every instructor.  In Christ, Pastor Steve


Dr. Kevin Clarkson   ~  Interview / Hagmann & Hagmann, Followed By The Closing Ceremony

Pastors are shepherds but we are also sheep.  We need to come apart and be fed also.  Many pastors are there but they are not engaged.  Some are angry or discouraged.  The Bible says:  “Strike the shepherd and the sheep scatter.”  Pastors leave the ministry every week, and that leaves the sheep without a shepherd.

Pastors need to abide in Christ, through the Word and in prayer.  The Spirit of God and the Word of God is an explosive and volatile combination.  A lot of pastors get busy and sidetracked, and fail to get alone with God.  The key to overcoming depression or burnout in ministry is to get with God and wait upon Him and you will mount up with the wings of eagles.

Dr. Kevin Clarkson stands on the shoulders of J.R. Church who founded Prophecy In The News decades ago.  The feeling in this ministry is that time is short and we must be serious in light of what is going on in the world.  Kevin’s vision is to pray for the persecuted church around the world.  Americans have lived in a religious liberty bubble which is unique in all of history.  The rest of the church throughout history has been hunted down, persecuted and martyred.  America has been the exception and not the rule.  Christians are being threatened in America as of late and we need to rise.  We need to run for office, be a voice, and defend our freedoms.  Bill Federer:  “Our most important job is to preach the Gospel.  Our second most important job is to defend our right to preach the Gospel.”  Billy Graham use to say he had the Bible in one hand and the newspaper in the other hand.  We must look at the Bible in the lens or prism of our time.  Christ is coming.  He could come before this broadcast is over.

Christians in America are being labeled as extremists.  The human rights campaign is saying that sexual liberty is more important than religious liberty.  Sexual liberty is making America go down.  We are being set aside by the Lord because of our sin.  China has passed us economically, and Russia has risen above us militarily, through the number of nuclear warheads they have.  There seems to be a desire to make worship a private issue for people in America.  The separation of church and state has been a misunderstood issue in our times.  The idea behind it is to keep the government out of the church, and NOT to keep the church out of the government.  We need to be strong with resolve and courage, and we also need to be gracious.  We were founded as a Judaeo Christian nation.  The church has been tax exempt, but with an 18 trillion dollar deficit and counting, our government will pursue every source of revenue they can find.  Churches are a rich target.  We must support Prophecy in the News.  Winston Churchill saved the world when he refused to surrender in World War II, and Benjamin Netanyahu is a similar leader today.  Bibi would like us to stand with him but even if we do not, Israel will never give in or surrender.

Kevin Clarkson stated that Western Civilization would fall to Islam in a matter of years if everything stays the same and the Lord does not return.  It may be that the torch of Christianity has been passed to Africa and Asia, where they are already persecuted – they are a lot more serious about their faith.  Everyday, over 8,000 people receive Christ in the underground church in China.  The Chinese Christians want to march back to Jerusalem with the Gospel.  This is the power of the Gospel and the Spirit of God.  In America, we must lose our indifference and become on fire for the Lord.  We need to get in our closet and pray.  George Washington said in the Revolution:  “Trust God to keep your powder dry.”  Let us do all that is humanly possible, and trust God to do all that is divinely possible.


Closing Ceremony

Dr. Kevin Clarkson thanked the audience for their hunger, thirst and zeal for the Lord.  The United States is not going to stand with Israel now, and we are going to suffer for that.  God will curse those who curse Israel.  Israel may soon strike her enemies.  Noah prepared for the flood.  We need to prepare for the end times.  Be HOT.  Be HOLY.  Be HOPEFUL.  Be Spirit filled.  Abide in the Lord and be close to Christ – be in the Word and be in prayer.  Be HOLY.  We do not want to be ashamed at His coming.  Be HOPEFUL.  Be looking for the blessed hope, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

An amazing feature of this prophecy conference was the spiritual oneness of the speakers.  The Pre Tribulation Rapture was believed by all of them.  They all recognized the errors of the emerging church.  Their mutual spiritual discernment put them all on the same page.  Interestingly, these men all came from totally different backgrounds and did not know one another in nearly every case.  Their oneness is the oneness that all true saints who are born from above experience together.  It is a God thing.

Maranatha, Pastor Steve

False Prophet Rick Warren Exposed!

These lengthly videos record many of Rick Warren’s false teachings, including Chrislam, his worldwide P.E.A.C.E. Plan, Catholicism, allegiance with the Pope, Mariolatry, universalism, promotion of the New World Order (NWO), his disparagement of Christian Fundamentalists, easy believism, no repentance required and all inclusive salvation, no mention of sin or condemnation, and much more.  Among the authors on these videos are John MacArthur, Phil Johnson, James Sundquist, Scott Johnson, Gary Gilley and Jack Van Impe.  Rick Warren is a litmus test.  Are you a Berean or a Laodicean?

In Christ, Pastor Steve

Beware Of The False Gospel Of Rick Warren


Suffering / Part 4 Of 8

Suffering is a doctrine that is found throughout the Word of God.  The Emerging Church totally ignores this teaching.  What would Job say if Joel Osteen said to him:  “Have your best life now?”  God builds us up through trials and tribulations, not through creature comforts and living on easy street.  Following are ten reasons why Christians suffer.  The list is not conclusive.  A couple of them will be mentioned in this posting with more to come.

Why Christians Suffer –

1)Suffering Silences Satan

The best example is the story of the patriarch Job.  When God pointed out to Satan what a good man Job was, the devil accused Job of doing it only for gain and profit which came to him materially because he feared the Lord.  In order to prove his point, God allowed Satan to take his possessions, health and family.  The result was that Satan was silenced.  Instead of murmuring, complaining, and becoming bitter, Job praised God and said:  “The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.”

How wonderful it is to see people love the Lord and smile while suffering.  The next time you feel like complaining, read the diary of Ann Frank.

2)Suffering Enables Us To Glorify God

The eleventh chapter of John tells us about the death of Lazarus, a dear friend of Jesus.  Jesus could have healed Lazarus, but allowed him to die in order to teach a lesson to Lazarus and his two sisters.  Jesus said in John 11:4:  “This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified by it.”

….to be continued

Rick Warren Speaks On Christian Fundamentalism

Rick Warren is a man whose teachings take a long time to unravel.  This blog site is filled with a great deal of his apostasy.  Many articles that highlight just a few of his heretical teachings can be found in the category – “Emerging Church.”

This article emphasizes the fact the Rick Warren disparages the Christian Fundamentalists, even comparing them to radical Muslim fundamentalists!  Rick, by the way, envisions himself in charge of the “New Reformation,” which emphasizes deeds and not creeds.  Even though most Christians sense that apocalyptic end time events are soon coming to our fallen world, Rick is going to implement his world P.E.A.C.E. plan.  Never mentioned in his teachings, is the Rapture of the Church, Great Tribulation, Second Coming and Millenium.  Brother Rick has a better idea. Those nasty Biblical doctrines like sin, repentance, and the atoning blood, all bother brother Rick, so he has found that the Purpose Driven Church/Life books, are much handier and easier to believe than those old fashioned and archaic Bibles.  When he does quote the scriptures, he cherry picks only the non offensive passages, and uses whatever translation he can find, that would best convey his intended message.  He blasts born again believers for following the entire list of fundamentals.  According to Rick Warren, fundamentalists not only are legalistic and narrow minded but they are also one of the big enemies and are motivated by fear.  The fundamentals that are very near and dear to me, and the bedrock of my faith, are despised by Rick Warren.  Oh yes, here are the five fundamentals that Rick seems to think only legalistic Christians adhere to:

1)The Deity of Christ.

2)The Virgin Birth.

3)The Blood Atonement.

4)The Bodily Resurrection And Second Coming.

5)The Inerrancy of the Scriptures Themselves. 


No, you are right – you cannot make this stuff up.  By the time Rick Warren strips the Gospel of the above fundamentals, the teachings of eschatology, the need to repent, the heavy cost of sin, and the reality of hell, the only “gospel” left would be a generic, down sized one size fits all theology that would offend no one.  The “Jesus” of Rick Warren can be found in any religion – Buddhism, Islam, Hindu, etc.  Rick Warren is a universalist who does not believe in the narrow way.

Matthew 7:13-14  King James Version (KJV)

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


 Sometimes his real theology comes out when he makes statements in public, such as telling Muslims:  “What is the matter?  We both believe in the same God.”  Yes, those Freudian Slips are momentary lapses when the truth comes out.  Below are a couple of the many, many articles that highlight Rick Warren’s stance on Christian Fundamentalism.  In His Service, Pastor Steve


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Rick Warren is a Southern Baptist pastor that has had a vast influence in Baptist churches. His Saddleback Church averages over 20,000 people a week. His book The Purpose Drive Life has sold over more than 30 million copies. Even John Piper has praised his theology. Rick Warren is not a leader that Baptist churches should be following. In this post we’ll just scratch the surface on the dangers of following Rick Warren.

Rick Warren has a great distaste for fundamentalists such as myself. Rick Warren says:
“Now the word “fundamentalist” actually comes from a document in the 1920s called the Five Fundamentals of the Faith. And it is a very legalistic, narrow view of Christianity, and when I say there are very few fundamentalists, I mean in the sense that they are all actually called fundamentalist churches, and those would be quite small. There are no large ones.” (The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, Event Transcript, Myths of the Modern Mega-Church, Monday, May 23, 2005)
So if you follow the Five Fundamentals of the Faith you are legalistic and narrow minded. Warren also predicts that fundamentalism, of all varieties, will be “one of the big enemies of the 21st century.” “Muslim fundamentalism, Christian fundamentalism, Jewish fundamentalism, secular fundamentalism – they’re all motivated by fear. Fear of each other.” (Philadelphia Inquirer, The purpose-driven pastor, Paul Nussbaum, Jan. 08, 2006)

So according to Rick Warren fundamentalists not only are legalistic and narrow minded but they are also one of the big enemies and are motivated by fear. They are no different than Muslim fundamentalists according to Warren. Just so we understand who Rick is talking about let us look at the Five Fundamentals of the Faith.

1. The Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:1; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8-9).

2. The Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27).

3. The Blood Atonement (Acts 20:28; Romans 3:25, 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:12-14).

4. The Bodily Resurrection (Luke 24:36-46; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 15:14-15).

5. The inerrancy of the scriptures themselves (Psalms 12:6-7; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20).

I would say any born again believer would follow this entire list. So in essence Rick Warren is blasting born again believers which makes you wonder where he stands with God on a personal basis.

With Rick Warren’s poor grasp of the gospel it is of no surprise that he would sign the Yale Center for Faith and Culture covenant A Common Word Between Us and You. The document states things such as “That this common ground consists in love of God and of neighbor gives hope that deep cooperation between us can be a hallmark of the relations between our two communities.” Muslims don’t worship the same God as Christians (John 14:6). To them Jesus was just another prophet and to consider Jesus as God is blaspheme (Surah 4:171 and Surah 5:731). Another thing the document states is “That so much common ground exists – common ground in some of the fundamentals of faith – gives hope that undeniable differences and even the very real external pressures that bear down upon us can not overshadow the common ground upon which we stand together.” It is ironic that Warren blasts the true fundamentals of Christianity and instead signs on to something like this.

Rick Warren also is in the habit of letting wolves into his church (Matthew 7:15). In 2011 Warren brought in doctors like Mark Hymand and Mehmet Oz into church for his Daniel Plan. His Daniel Plan is to help with the health and wellness of people. If you look though at these doctors it certainly won’t help with the spiritual health and wellness of people.

One of the doctors Warren brought into his church, Mehmet Oz, was voted as one of the 500 most influential Muslims. Oz supports what is called integrative medicine which is combining conventional medial treatments with things like hypnosis and energy healing. His wife is a master of Reiki which is a form of energy healing. Another doctor, Mark Hyman, isn’t any better. He promotes new age medicine and false religious leaders such as the Dalai Lama.

As I said before this just scratches the surface of the dangers of following Rick Warren. We all need to prove all things and hold fast that which is good (1 Thessalonians 5:21). Like the Bereans we need to search the scriptures daily to see what we are being taught is true (Acts 17:11).

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Friday Church News Notes, January 20, 2006 (David Cloud,, 866-295-4143

Rick Warren of Purpose Driven Life fame says that Christian fundamentalism will be “one of the big enemies of the 21st century.” He lumped Christian fundamentalism in with “Muslim fundamentalism” and “secular fundamentalism” (“The Purpose-Driven Pastor,” The Philadelphia Inquirer, Jan. 8, 2006). Thus the Christian fundamentalist who merely seeks to take God’s Word seriously and to live it and to preach it faithfully before his Heavenly Master is as dangerous to this world as a Muslim terrorist or a radical atheist. Warren said that Christian fundamentalism is motivated by fear. One of the many great problems with this statement is that the Bible often speaks of fear in a positive manner. Paul was afraid that the devil would deceive the believers through false gospels, false christs, and false spirits (2 Cor. 11:1-4). We should therefore follow the apostle’s example and fear spiritual deception, both for ourselves and for others. The Bible says pastors who sin should be rebuked before all “that others also may fear” (1 Tim. 5:20). Would that Saddleback Church would take that verse seriously and rebuke their heresy-preaching pastor publicly! Noah is commended because he feared at God’s warning (Heb. 11:7). We are to pass this earthly sojourn with fear (1 Pet. 1:17). We are to save some by fear (Jude 23). May God’s men today fear God enough to obey His Word and to preach the whole counsel of God, to “reprove, rebuke, exhort,” to warn the people of false teachers like Rick Warren. Where, by the way, are the “staunch conservative” or “nearly fundamentalist” Southern Baptist leaders who are exposing their fellow Southern Baptist Rick Warren’s errors? They ridicule men like me for warning about errors within the Southern Baptist Convention, but they don’t lift a voice on their own. Well, I think I will just keep on warning!



Laodicean church pastor Rick Warren appeared in Congress with pop icon and outspoken homosexual Elton John on Wednesday to ask for more money for AIDS research.  Key the following link…

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Rick Warren and Elton John holding hands, joking that if they kissed, it would be the kiss heard around the world.  Do you think Rick Warren warned one of the world’s most famous homosexuals about the sin of sodomy?  No, that would be legalistic and judgmental.  Rick does not approve of those nasty, narrow minded and bigoted Christian Fundamentalists.  They were on a joint venture fighting AIDS together.