30 REASONS THE BIBLE DOES NOT TEACH FINAL AUTHORITY OR ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGNTY OF A SINGLE PASTOR

An Article Written by James Sundquist

1. In the multitude of Godly Counsel there is wisdom. Proverbs 15:12.

2. In every single passage of New Testament, elders is always plural.

3. Elders (again plural) govern (direct) the affairs of the church. I Timothy 5:17.

4. Obey the laws of the land. In Romans Paul commands Christians to submit to authorities — once again plural. Romans 13:1-6. Non profit law requires a board of directors (board is plural). Word of caution. This applies primarily to the United States, as most countries don’t have the privileges or rights afforded by Non-Profit Status Corporations. In fact, it is illegal up to being punishable by death to even assemble in the Name of Jesus Christ.

5. Spiritual gifts of wisdom, knowledge, discerner of spirits are given to many. I Co. 12:10,28.

6. Paul instructs Timothy to appoint elders (plural) to govern local church. Titus 1:5.

7. I Timothy 4:14 states: “Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through a prophetic message when the body of elders laid their hands on you.” Once again “elders” is plural. But equally revealing is that the object (person) whose hands are being laid upon could be an individual receiving the gift of administration which adds one more voice to singular rule — making the plural even larger.

8. That James presided over a meeting in the Council in Jerusalem in the Book of Acts does not mean he had absolute authority . Conflict and policy was hammered about by many elders (not just James). “apostle and elders met to consider” Acts 15:6. “Then the Apostles, Elders, with the whole church (plural) decided…” Acts 15:22.

9. Even apostles subjected themselves to decision of the multitude of counsel at Council in Jerusalem. Acts Chapter 15.

10. Rehoboam refused counsel of elders who were older. Rehoboam in I Kings and II Chronicles, who would not listen to the older elders who served him, but surrounded himself with the young men he grew up with. I Kings 12:8, II Chronicles 10:8.

11. Peter appeals to fellow elders (plural) to be good shepherds (plural). Could this possibly mean there is only one elder who could be a shepherd? I Peter 5:1,2,5.

12. Let something be established in the witness of two or three. Matthew 18:16. (accountability is plural and non-unilateral).

13. Jesus said to “call no man master.” Matthew 23:8-11.

14. A WISE MAN ACCEPTS COUNSEL OR CORRECTION. An absolute dictator does not have to receive correction. To accept correction, there is at least a second party involved. Therefore a second party means at least two — not one. So it is the fool who thinks he is not subject to correction.

15. A serious matter can eventually be brought before the congregation who decides the ultimate fate of an unrepentant brother. If one man has final authority, then why is the final appeal and decision is left to the congregation in Matthew 18? Isn’t a congregation more than one? (Here I am not suggesting democracy, as all who decide must be believers).

16. Even in the time of the Apostles, no one man was an absolute authority. James (not Paul) presided over the church in Jerusalem. The final decision came of consensus among many elders.

17. What about the argument for the “Moses” model of government? Then who is Moses today for the entire church? He would have to be one person for the whole world — unless we want to become Roman Catholic.

18. PREFERRING OTHERS BEFORE YOURSELF – Romans 12:10. Once again, does having elders to whom the pastor is not accountable sound like preferring others before oneself? Is showing absolutely no interest in inquiring what each prospective individual elder might want to do and is able to do in such a role, preferring others before oneself? Is constantly planning what the church is going to do without bothering to first ask anyone, preferring others before oneself? What about trusting the elders so much that an individual pastor tells them they are afraid of them? Absolute authority rules out preferring others before self! Romans 12:10, I Timothy 5:21.

19. PRIVATE AGENDAS EXCLUDE CONSIDERATION FOR BEING AN ELDER. Does a form of government that says pastors alone set the agenda sound like a private agenda to you? (The Bible says an elder should NOT have a private agenda). If a pastor has a vision for the church is it exempt from being tested by fire and other men of God? Is a vision exempt from being changed if it continually fails? Note II Peter and Jude regarding false shepherds.

20. Three cords can not be easily broken. This sounds a whole lot like more than one to me? Ecclesiastes 4:12.

21. Absolute authority of one man (or woman) is the exact form of government of most cults. They have no outside testing the spirits to see if they are of God. I John 4:1. Ronald Reagan’s modern day vernacular of these Scriptures certainly applies: “Trust but verify!”

22. Moses as one man rule in the Old Testament was correct. Miriam and the Sons of Korah were wrong in suggesting “Does not God also speak to us?” Numbers 12:2, Numbers Chapter 16. Certainly we can not suggest that any man alive today can speak with the SINGLE authority of Moses who heard from God directly. Can we dare suggest that a pastor alone in the New Testament age alone hears from God at a local church? Moses had authority given him directly by God who said of Moses he spoke face to face. Is there any man alive who can say that they have seen God face to face? Is there any pastor that can make that claim? Jesus said that John the Baptist was the greatest — so this would mean that he out ranks Moses. Yet he said the least Christian is greater than John the Baptist. Matthew 11:11. And once the Holy Spirit was sent, the Scriptures record — Jesus speaking “My sheep hear my voice and follow me? That sounds a whole lot like many people besides one “hear my voice”. John 10:27.

23. If every true believer is a priest and king according the Apostle Peter, then this would require that there would be a multitude who govern, not one. II Peter 2:9.

24. Can one Scripture be found which supports “the job of the congregation and elders is to support the vision of the pastor — one person?”

25. “Submit to authority God has placed over you (elders).” Once again plural. Hebrews 3:17.

26. Paul rebuked people for trying to make Paul and Barnabas a king or god over them. Acts 14:12.

27. If a single pope is not acceptable for the whole world, why is one acceptable for a local church? Did we fight the Revolutionary War in America to get rid of the Divine Rights of Kings only to hand it right over to a single pastor?

28. Paul commended the Bereans to not simply take his word for something, but study the Scriptures as the final authority. Acts 17:11.

29. I Timothy it gives the requirements of an elder. It does not state that pastors govern the affairs of the church. Pastoring is a gifting NOT an office, as are teachers and evangelists. Ephesians 4:11. Do evangelists govern affairs of the church? Do teachers? Clearly not. And once again even pastors here is PLURAL. Even after the collapse of the shepherding movement, I still hear “rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft”. I Samuel 15:23. To be in rebellion, one would have to be talking about rebelling against God’s form of New Testament government. So truly, someone is indeed in rebellion, if they submit to only one counsel. Following one counsel, alone, would therefore be as the sin of witchcraft.

30. Matthew 18 brings a person before the entire congregation as the final authority regarding church discipline — NOT a single man or pastor. Most importantly, as the Prophet Isaiah states, “His government is upon His shoulders”. Isaiah 8:6.(c)1999 James Sundquist, Last Generation Artists, Inc.- – Return to Top of this Page – Go To Next Article – Listing of All Articles – Back To Leadership Articles – – Download This Article

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Elder Rule – From Wolf to Wolf Pack

Another thing we see among elder rule advocates is the nonsensical idea of “first among equals”. This is the insane notion that one of the “equal” ruling elders is the “head” elder. But the whole idea of “first among equals” is an obvious contradiction in terms that immediately collapses in upon itself. This is because as soon as one of the “equals” is considered to be the “first” or “greatest” among them, he is no longer an equal. He is a superior. Simple logic and simple math. Something cannot be both equal to and greater than a given thing all at the same time. It has to be one or the other, equal to or greater than, but not both. These are mathematical concepts that are mutually exclusive. They are not one and the same. So the “first (or greatest) among equals” doctrine is pure garbage and is nowhere to be found in the Bible. It is based on gross self-serving assumption, in fact a very convenient assumption.  

Advocates of this position dance quite a doctrinal tight rope in an attempt to incorrectly establish validity for one of the elders to ultimately be in charge over all the other elders. The elders as a group are allegedly in charge of the whole assembly but the truth of the matter is the head elder, the “first among equals”, is really the one who is in charge and is pulling the strings from behind the scenes. This is pretty much back to where they started, one man ultimately in charge, just in a more cleverly disguised and insulated form that beguiles the congregation into thinking that control-based man-centered authoritarianism is not present in their church. “ Paul Howey

Introduction

Many Christians within home church circles and even in some institutional church circles incorrectly believe that the key to solving problems caused by an errant one-man pastor is to spread that power and authority out over a small group of elders so that no one individual has “too much” power. This is typically called “elder rule”. 

This might sound like a profound improvement over a runaway pastor, but this doesn’t work because this establishes a runaway elder system and elders are not supposed to rule either. Elders are supposed to watch, warn and encourage those who they care for to understand and obey the Bible. That is all the authority that they have. They have no power or authority whatsoever to control God’s people.

(Actually all Christians have the exact same authority to watch, warn and encourage others to understand and obey the Bible. The main difference in this is a general overall watch, while elders have a more specific watch that God has given them where they are responsible to care for a small specific group of Christians but of course not in a controlling way. This doesn’t make elders better or more important than other Christians. They just have a different role.) 

Another popular argument and justification for “elder rule” that we hear is that elders will police and cross check each other to make it more difficult for any one of them to gain too much power or prominence. This brings to mind a picture of wolves in a hen house keeping an eye on each other to make sure none of them eats too many hens, to make sure there is enough food to go around.

It is also believed that in a church governed by a plurality of controlling elders it is allegedly more difficult and less likely for one of them to rise up and take the church off of a doctrinal cliff. But this kind of so-called elders have already taken the church off a doctrinal cliff so this doesn’t matter. It’s just a shell game. Even worse, what happens if all or most of the ruling elders are in gross theological error or worse what if all or most of them are corrupt? The church is off for another even bumpier ride, this time likely much more serious.  

These arguments for elder rule might sound like at least a step in the right direction, but this is simply not the case. In either scenario, one-man or multi-man rule, far too much weight rests on celebrity-level personalities and if the personality goes wrong so does the church. This is a sure sign of an unbiblical hijacked church, which can be very much likened to a cult.

The bottom line is all authority has been given to Jesus Christ and He has not left His church in the hands of man, not one man or a small group of men. Jesus is still the Head of His church and He has left the doctrinal policing of His church in the hands of all faithful obedient Christians working together as a body to encourage obedience to the Scriptures.

Without realizing it, those who believe that controlling elders are an improvement over a one-man controlling pastor tend to go from wolf to wolf pack, from the strength of one to strength in numbers, from a more isolated power base to dangerous synergy of power that often makes things much worse. The truth is a lone wolf is easier to catch and conquer than an entire wolf pack.

“Biblical Eldership” –  Elder Rule in Disguise?

(This section is a recently revised and updated version of a posting that I did awhile back on another website)

While I have already outlined what genuine biblical eldership really is, the term “biblical eldership” is a buzzword today that has often been redefined to incorrectly represent elder rule in disguise. Many articles and even some books have been written about such so-called biblical eldership. Take for example Alexander Strauch’s book “Biblical Eldership”.

While this book teaches a number of things that are consistent with what the Bible teaches, Mr. Strauch misses the bigger picture: The source of true authority, the reality of the Headship of Christ and the fact that we have One Master Christ and we are all brothers and equals. 

Mr. Strauch is quite right in saying things along the lines that, “It was never our Lord’s will for one individual to control the local church.” But what he doesn’t seem to realize is that it was never the Lords intention for a group of men to control the church either! (See Mark 10:42-45, Matt 23:8-10, 1 Pet 5:1-4, etc.)

Mr. Strauch is apparently a church elder within an obvious framework of man-centered power and control so he probably cannot see these problems. This is likely because he has probably not submitted some of his key doctrines on these issues to Scriptural examination. In general, Christians tend to fail to examine unbiblical practices that they unwittingly take part in.

Mr. Strauch’s book, like similar works from other authors, is an attempt to shift the control of a church from a one-man to a multi-man team. This is really no help. It can actually cause more problems as it has an “appearance” of wisdom and will therefore tempt many to drop their guards even further. The average Christian today needs a predisposition towards more discernment not less. 

Even worse than a one-man novice or one-man wolf is a group of three or four novices or wolves in synergy with each other drawing off each other’s diversities in abilities. This can create a very dangerous and beguiling multi-minded “super-leader” with a diversity of earthly talents.  A church so governed has not the headship of Christ. Therefore, as bad as a one-man controlling pastor is, a plurality of elders operating in “elder rule” is potentially much worse.

And, what if these men are doctrinal nutcases, which is not at all uncommon but actually rampant today? Now with their newfound power in numbers they can, even more easily, convince the whole congregation to believe that they are right! By showing agreement and unity among themselves even on false doctrines they can deceive many into following them. Less people are likely to question an errant synergistic eldership compared to an errant one-man pastorate.

“Elder rule” establishes multiple authoritarians in place and in power, a multiple headed monster that can devour far more. It has more mouths and more teeth! Now they can devour the church as a pack of wolves with much more skill, power and efficiency compared to a single wolf. 

In fact, today we regularly see far more dangerous wolf packs emerging where a lone wolf once ruled and devoured. This is not the solution. Wolf packs can give the impression of even more false humility than a lone ranger. (If unavoidable it would likely be much less dangerous to contend with a single lone wolf rather than an entire wolf pack.)

While a proper plurality of true elders is a good thing, books like “Biblical Eldership” advocate a type of controlling plurality of eldership that is nothing more than a multi-man dictatorial leadership system that is often a wolf pack in disguise. Again, true elders are faithful servant-guard protectors who watch, warn, advise, admonish, plead with and try to convince members to obey the Bible, but they do not control them. There are specific Christians that they watch over and care for. They have an advisory role but nothing in the realm of power and control. This is a key thing to remember.

First Among Equals? 

Another thing we see among elder rule advocates is the nonsensical idea of “first among equals”. This is the insane notion that one of the “equal” ruling elders is the “head” elder. But the whole idea of “first among equals” is an obvious contradiction in terms that immediately collapses in upon itself. This is because as soon as one of the “equals” is considered to be the “first” or “greatest” among them, he is no longer an equal. He is a superior. Simple logic and simple math. Something cannot be both equal to and greater than a given thing all at the same time. It has to be one or the other, equal to or greater than, but not both. These are mathematical concepts that are mutually exclusive. They are not one and the same. So the “first (or greatest) among equals” doctrine is pure garbage and is nowhere to be found in the Bible. It is based on gross self-serving assumption, in fact a very convenient assumption. 

Advocates of this position dance quite a doctrinal tight rope in an attempt to incorrectly establish validity for one of the elders to ultimately be in charge over all the other elders. The elders as a group are allegedly in charge of the whole assembly but the truth of the matter is the head elder, the “first among equals”, is really the one who is in charge and is pulling the strings from behind the scenes. This is pretty much back to where they started, one man ultimately in charge, just in a more cleverly disguised and insulated form that beguiles the congregation into thinking that control-based man-centered authoritarianism is not present in their church.

In Conclusion

It is astonishing how the few Christians who are finally fed up with one-man pastor political machines think that a multi-man elder rule machine would solve the problem and be much better. The reality of the situation is some problems can appear to be solved but can actually get much worse. It doesn’t matter whether a church has a one, two, three or a six man regime. Regimes like this in and of themselves are unbiblical and are therefore a huge problem.

The solution to the rampant one-man authoritarian pastor problem is NOT to establish and authoritarian eldership. Otherwise, all this does is change the problem into a different form. The problem is still there because the root problem itself of control-based leadership has not been dealt with. The problem is that control is still vested in men. Until control is vested in Christ, things will not change for the better. Things may be cleverly masked and may appear to be an improvement but that is just a short-term illusion at best. 

Regardless of whether a church is controlled by one man or a small group of men, it is still controlled by men and authoritarianism remains present. A church must be controlled by God through Christ. This means controlled solely by the written Word. Christ must remain the sole Head otherwise we have multiple masters in our midst and in Matt 6:24 and Luke 16:13 Jesus made it very clear that it is impossible to obey two masters (let alone three, four, five or more). He said that you will love the one and hate the other. The sad fact of the matter is Jesus is getting a lot of hatred today from a multitude of professing Christians, while authoritarians in the church are getting a lot of love.

Paul Howey

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WILLOWCREEK CHURCH & BILL HYBELS’ THEOLOGY Biblical Christianity or the Church of Laodicea?

The seeker friendly non offensive “gospel” has been around for quite some time. Their philosophy is simply: “Hey, if the cross offends you, then remove it!” By the time they repackage the Christian faith, there is nothing left that is Christian or truly Biblical in their faith. Below is a two decade old article exposing Willowcreek Church by discernment author James Sundquist:

WILLOWCREEK CHURCH & BILL HYBELS’ THEOLOGY
Biblical Christianity or the Church of Laodicea?
By James Sundquist


There is an epidemic movement which has infected even the most conservative denominations and seminaries, which began in the United States more than a decade ago, and is now being manifested throughout the Church globally. One of the founders of this “seeker-friendly” movement is Bill Hybels, Senior Pastor of Willowcreek Church in the Chicago area.

REMOVE THE CROSS

The Ten Commandments have been removed from being posted in Public Schools and now we are reaping what we have sown — children shooting children — consciences seared like a hot iron. Similarly, now the seeker-friendly philosophy asks the Church remove the symbol of the cross. Of course, you don’t have to have the symbol of a cross in a church for it to be fervently evangelical or God-fearing. It has much more to do with the REASON the cross is being removed — the theology and philosophy behind this epidemic movement.

BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF THIS WORLD

This “seeker” or sinner-friendly church growth movement theology suggests that the Church needs to be conformed to the image of the world. But the Apostle Paul writes that we (and the world) are to be conformed to the image of Christ (Romans 12:2). Christ is a rock of offense to the world and we are trying to make Him appealing. Decorate and disguise Christ and then you can reach “unchurched Harry and Mary” and draw people into the Kingdom? Entertain people into repentance? Whatever happened to the scriptural commandment “come out from among them, be ye separate?” (II Corinthians 6:17). Christ was willing to become publicly humiliated (not decorated), scourged, disgraced, shamed, pulverized beyond recognition for us. But the seeker-friendly movement seems to suggest that we have to apologize for the gospel in order not to offend anyone. The Church in Symrna was one of only two churches in Revelation which Christ commended and had NOTHING against. Why? Because they were faithful even to the point of death (Revelation 2:10). These saints were willing to be (and were) martyred. At the end of time we see again saints who “loved their lives not unto death” (Revelation 12:11). In fact, even in the Twentieth Century there have been more saints martyred than since the foundation of the Church. Christ commends Christians for overcoming this world by the blood of the Lamb, not by some clever marketing plan or “felt needs.” This whole theology is a reproach to Christ and the persecuted and martyred saints throughout the ages! And again, Hebrews 11:37-38 tells us that the destitute, persecuted and mistreated saints of this present world, the world was not worthy of them. Paul says earlier: “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek” (Romans 1:16).

REMOVE RELIGIOUS WORDS

One of the Willowcreek theory papers on small groups in churches suggests that we need to remove “religious words” in our efforts to reach the community. Well, it is with these very Biblical religious words that we confess our faith. What religious words used by every major and minor Prophet in the Torah and by Christ and His Apostles would you suggest we remove? It is with these very Biblical religious words that we praise His Holy Name. Heaven and earth are hung by the [religious] word of His power (Hebrews 1:3). Jesus used religious words when he called forth Lazarus from the grave. The halt, the lame and the blind went bounding through the streets with religious words after being cured by Jesus or the Apostles. Religious words are precisely what Noah preached to them that all perished in the Flood because they did not fear God and hearken unto his words. Religious words are what Jonah preached to turn 120,000 people (the entire population of Nineveh) to repent…”repent”…another religious word. These Ninevites were not only not “post-Christian era,” but their culture NEVER heard the Gospel or had any Biblical form of religion. There was NO modification of the message or methodology simply because they were unchurched, but Jonah used the very same message in that age and nation as we need in this present age and every nation, and that message is simply “Repent”. And guess what? It worked!! God’s Word was NOT defective and did NOT return void!

“Born again” is a religious word. But Jesus said “Except a man be born again, he can NOT enter the Kingdom of Heaven” (John 3:3-7). Jesus used this religious word, so why shouldn’t we? How do you carry out the Great Commission without using religious words in Scripture to proclaim the Gospel…another religious word? “Saved” is a religious word to every tribe and nation to the ends of the earth to every generation throughout the ages. And, once again, what does the Bible say? “Whosoever believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, even on His name shall be “saved” (Acts 16:31).

Jesus used religious words in the Sermon on the Mount, whose audience was both churched and unchurched Harry and Mary. Same message for both audiences!!! Religious words were spoken at the upper room at Pentecost. If it is good enough for the 120 who started the church in the First Century, it is good enough for me in the 21st Century. Are we now to go into all of the world and preach the Gospel (of repentance unto salvation and fear God and give him glory) without using religious words!?!

CHRIST BUILT HIS CHURCH IN THE RIGHT ZIP CODE?

Market research tells a church planting committee what Zip Code to build your church. But Christ would have built one of his churches in the worst Zip Code. The Willowcreek theory paper on small groups (and this epidemic philosophy) further states that, “There was a time in the early 50s that people could build small groups completely around the disciplines of Bible study and prayer.” Once again, if it was good enough for the early disciples and founding fathers, it is good enough for me. When Jesus overturned the money changers tables in the Temple in righteous anger, He said “My house shall be called a house of prayer” (Matthew 21:13). We are not called to be successful, we are called to be faithful and holy. If a church remains at three people or becomes 3,000 that is God’s problem. The Scripture does not say “seek the fellowship (or church growth movement) and I will supply the light.” It says “seek the light and I will supply the fellowship” ( ). “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin” (I John 1:6-8).

MAKE SURE YOU’RE A PLEASING (“CONTAGIOUS”) CHRISTIAN

Friendship with the world is enmity with God. In the Book of Revelation, the Church of Pergamum was condemned for its marriage of the world to Christ. Christ commended the saints “who loved their lives not unto death.” So much for a politically correct church whose doctrine is Tolerance. In II Corinthians 2:14-16, Paul says that our procession is a stench of death to world who is perishing, but a pleasing fragrance to the Lord. Paul counted himself (and the other Apostles) scum and refuse to the world. But some have now made the churches become a pleasing aroma to the world, but a stench to the nostrils of the Lord.

OH FOOLISH AMERICANS, WHO HAS BEWITCHED YOU?

What we need in the United States is a New Reformation. A New American Revolution. As the Prophet Jeremiah preached: “Thus says the Lord: ‘Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; Then you will find rest for your souls’” (Jeremiah 6:16). But what we hear today is “this is the 21st Century!” This sinner-friendly theology like the Church of Pergamos has married the Bride of Christ to the unholy world which has a form of godliness but is bankrupt in spirit. This spiritual harlotry God will judge. This epidemic in the church has given birth to the Church of Laodicea (neither hot nor cold) whom Christ will spew out of his mouth. It is time to trust the Gospel. It is time to trust that God’s word will NOT return void! “If I be lifted up I will draw all men unto myself” (John 12:32). And how was He lifted up? He was lifted up on the cross. It is time to get back to preaching the cross and Him crucified.

“Except for the shedding of blood, there is NO remission of sins” (Hebrews 9:22, Hebrews 10:18)…oh no…another religious word.

“And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin” (Romans 14:23).

“All Scripture is profitable [including every ‘religious’ word in the Scripture) for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” (II Timothy 3:16-17).

Not using every word (religious word) of Scripture renders us and anyone we teach spiritual cripples unquipped to do the work of the ministry and lacking the full armor of God to fend off the fiery darts of the enemy and fight the good fight of spiritual warfare and run a good race. That is the true Gospel. Oh foolish Americans, who hath bewitched you? This seeker-sensitive theology is not the Gospel of Christ, but a theology of apology. It is a faith without armor, incapable of withstanding the fiery darts of the enemy. It is a fleet of boats in a sail boat regatta, when what we need are battleships in formation for a spiritual war against the principalities. What we need are spiritual World Trade Center tragedy firefighters who are running up the stairway to Heaven who brave the Gates of Hell that none would perish. Repent while God is still giving you a season to repent!

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Apprising Ministries…..

…..awakening to the light of Scripture

The following is an article exposing more erroneous teachings coming from Saddleback Church.  You will note that the article expands into another great Christian website full of Biblical theology, discernment ministries, exposing cults and current events:

 

STEVE GLADEN, SADDLEBACK CHURCH SMALL GROUPS, AND QUAKER MYSTIC SPIRITUALITY

Key The Following Link:

http://apprising.org/2010/06/14/steve-gladen-saddleback-church-small-groups-and-quaker-mystic-spirituality/

TEN QUESTIONS FOR CELEBRATE RECOVERY LEADERS DECALOG

Do you believe in the Bible alone (Sola Scriptura) for spiritual guidance, or do you believe in a blend of the teachings of both God and man?  The following article by James Sundquist reveals how Rick Warren borrows from psychology in the Celebrate Recovery (CR) movement.  The CR plan ignores and overlooks several key scriptural principles, and adds a lot of fallen man’s philosophy.  James Sundquist has been heavily involved in discernment ministries for many years, he is author of several books including “Who’s Driving The Purpose Driven Church,” and is endorsed by John MacArthur.

Colossians 2:8, KJV: “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”

Blessings, Pastor Steve  <><

TEN QUESTIONS FOR CELEBRATE RECOVERY LEADERS
DECALOG

PRINCIPALITIES OR GRACE?

DOES CR STAND FOR CELEBRATE RECOVERY
OR COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY?

 

Read the following expose on Celebrating Recovery by James Sundquist:

TEN QUESTIONS FOR CELEBRATE RECOVERY LEADERS
DECALOG
PRINCIPALITIES OR GRACE?
DOES CR STAND FOR CELEBRATE RECOVERY
OR COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY?

I. Rick Warren: “Personal stories are also easier to relate to than principles, and people
love to hear them.” Then why are there 8 “principles” to recovery at the heart of his
Celebrate Recovery program instead of 8 “personal stories”? And why is John Maxwell
whose central core doctrine is “principles”, Warren’s key partner in his Global Peace
Plan? Maxwell’s principles are the first E for how to equip leaders in Warren’s
P.E.A.C.E. Plan. So then why does Warren have E for the principles to equip leaders
yet he publishes “7 Key Principles for Every Project” instead of personal stories in his
acronym and 7 key personal stories for every project? Personal stories are at the heart of
AA and CR, but how is it even possible to conduct these meetings without gossiping and
talebearing, forbidden in Scripture? Speaking of “persons”, did Christ teach Principles
or the Person of Christ? He is the “way the truth and the life”. So if Warren’s “story”
that people love to hear, that his Purpose Driven Life book is “bestselling nonfiction
hardback book in history” is forensically untrue and is a false claim: Proof of book sales
ranking chart:
https://amos37.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BestSellingRankingListinHistory.pdf,
and false advertising is a crime according to the FTC Statute # 15 U.S. Code § 54,
then why should why should anyone trust him with his Celebrate Recovery and believe
it is also not fake news, or have hope in his Daily Hope radio program?

II. In reading the CR 12 Steps, where is the Blood of Jesus? (Can’t find it in a Google
Search or search on CR’s website). Scripture teaches that Christ’s blood is how we draw
near to Christ, so how do you draw near to Christ without taking this step as the most
important step? Scripture teaches that we are purchased by Christ’s blood, but there is
no Scripture where we have to purchase anything to be saved or sanctified, both are
gifts. A person who lives to be 80 statistically walks about two hundred million steps.
So if they become a Christian at 40, they walk approximately a hundred million steps as
a Christian if they live to be 80. Since “the steps of the righteous man are ordered by the
Lord”, why does CR have only 12 steps, and even those are works. How is the required
“working the steps” not works?

III. The Beatitudes present the pathway to blessings, but why is their no warning or
discussion about the steps that will cursed which Christ (Matthew 7:21-23)
and the Apostle Paul (Galatians 1:8) put the greatest emphasis on? Couldn’t Paul have
not been so brutal and offer the Judaizers a type of 12 Step Recovery Program for their
hurts, habits, and hangups, so they could celebrate? Where is the warning of the
doctrines of demons and seducing spirits in CR 12 Steps, or in their website search
engine that the Apostle John commanded to not give heed to? And where is the Wrath
of God (e.g., God’s Global Warming vs. Man’s that Warren signed) in the 12 Steps or
anywhere on CR website? Since part of the Gospel is about the Judgment that we are
averting, shouldn’t that be one of the first things presented at a CR meeting?

IV. If Roman Catholic doctrine anathematizes all Protestants, why are they embracing a
spiritual program created and promoted and sold by two Protestant pastors? If
Protestants like Warren and Baker are anathematized by Roman Catholic Doctrine, how
could they ever recover or celebrate unless (in their minds) unless Rick Warren and
Founder, John Baker convert to RC? This would be like going to the witch of Endor to
get counsel and comfort. And what do they recover and celebrate if they take CR that is
not provided in the RC Sacraments?

V. If the Reformation leaders taught that the Pope and RC are antichrist, why is Rick
Warren silent about this and does not tell them that Celebrate Recovery can’t work on
antichrists? If CR is so successful, why are Catholics who take CR still Catholics after
they take the program? Wouldn’t true repentance deliver them? And where has CR
marked false teachers and named names (i.e., Bill Wilson and Carl Jung), identify false
teachers and religions (the foundation of AA and hence the foundation of CR), as
Scripture commands? Does CR tell you this in its training? You can judge a tree by its
roots (as well as by its fruit). The roots of CR are AA, and the roots of AA false
religions and teachers. And Jesus said a thorn-bush can’t produce figs. AA is a thornbush, so aren’t you eating the fruit of a poisonous tree?

VI. If the Apostle Paul says being a drunkard (alcoholic) “such WERE some of you”,
before becoming born again Christians, but now they are no longer drunkards, then why
does AA (the foundation of CR) teach that you are an alcoholic for life even if you are
sober and never take another drink for 30 years or the rest of your life? So there is no
cleansing you of ALL unrighteousness (habits, hurts, and hangups) in CR? CR’s
foundation is AA, Christ is the alleged superstructure vs. true Christianity where Christ
is the foundation and there is no other foundation.

VII. If you never recover in your lifetime, what is there to celebrate?

VIII. Where in Scripture is repentance accomplished via a formalized group program
like CR vs. individually? Many repented simultaneously at the same time in many
cases, but not because of interactive, structured programs, confidentiality, or cost.
Where is the confidentiality in a public profession of faith, and where is the
confidentiality in Matthew 18, if the person does not repent so we are required to tell the
whole church?

IX. Where are there 12 steps in Scripture and what is deficient or missing in 2 Timothy
3:16 that says Scripture is sufficient for all good works and the perfecting of saints and
being thoroughly equipped for every good work, for two thousand years. And how is
Pastor Hess Hester, the leader of CR for pastors unable to obey the Scripture “Be kind
and tender to one another. Forgive each other, just as God forgave you because of
what Christ has done” Eph. 4:32, without and before CR or 12 Steps according to his
testimony? If you are thoroughly equipped for every good work with Scripture alone,
how is CR even needed? And how does it not usurp this very Scripture?

X. Though one can attend a CR meeting without cost, the materials kit at the CR
meetings for the package, even discounted, typically cost $89.99 (and more money for
leadership training). There are specific examples of paying money for counseling or
spiritual equipping in the Bible, but both examples were condemned: Saul consulting the
Witch of Endor in the Old Testament, and Simony in the New Testament. So if the Lord
told Isaiah (Isa. 55:1) and Jesus Christ is right when he said in Revelation:
“The Spirit and the bride say, “Come ” And let the one who hears say, “Come ”
And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life
without cost.” Revelation 22:17
you could obtain everything you need in Christ freely, how are all of those Christians
who believe and obey Christ’s own words, lacking anything by never participating or
paying any money in a Celebrate Recovery meeting or program? And even if you pay
money, the statistics on AA recovery vs. returning to drinking are catastrophic: 95%
return to drinking. Would you invest in a stock that has a 95% failure rate of return?

Who’s Driving The Purpose Driven Church? ~ James Sundquist

Power point lecture slideshow presentation for Parts One and Two of Who’s Driving The Purpose Driven Church?

Key the following links to read Parts One and Two of the first book written by James Sundquist.  This book exposes many of the fallacies and false teachings within the Purpose Driven movement:

Part 1

https://studylib.net/doc/5320579/who-s-driving-the-purpose-driven-church-power-point-prese

or

https://studylib.net/WAGH2

Part 2

https://studylib.net/YAGH2

 

Political Leaders Celebrating Abortion To a Standing Ovation / James Sundquist

Key The Following Link:

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=28db4f37a8&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-f:1624475297495941784&th=168b4bad1da48298&view=att&disp=safe&realattid=f_jrp9slr10

 

A.F. Branco Cartoon – The Grim Weeper
A.F. Branco on February 4, 2019 at 8:40 am

Democrats, Northam, Racism, and Infanticide

Governor reveals the historic racism that’s been rampant in the Democrat party for years, but they have changed, they are now the party of Infanticide. Political Cartoon by A.F. Branco ©2019.

“RABID DOG, FOAMING SCRIPTURES AT THE MOUTH” aka James Sundquist

James Sundquist, a good friend of mine, is blessed by the Lord with a very unique set of gifts.  He plays the acoustic guitar in order to glorify God, and has a global discernment ministry.  He exposes error with boldness.  Many years ago I ordered his book:  “Who’s Driving The Purpose Driven Church?”  We later met on line, and now we are fellow servants with a mutual love of revealing the false gospel, false teachings, and false prophets.  He now has a category on this blog site and his postings will all go there.  The category has the same title as this article:  “Rabid Dog, Foaming Scriptures At The Mouth” aka James Sundquist.  I asked him for a category name and that is what he sent me.  Enjoy the following true story and testimony that James sent me today, in order to better appreciate where this title came from.

Blessings, Pastor Steve  <><

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Many years ago, a lady wife of a good friend who is a Christian sharply rebuked me for questioning and attacking so-called Christian leaders and authors…the harshest one I have ever received, and trust I have been called a host of names. She called me “a rabid dog foaming Scriptures at the mouth!” I shared it with another discernment older lady in the faith I know. She wrote me back her response to this charge. She said: “It is better to be a rabid dog foaming Scriptures at the mouth, than a dumb dog that does not bark when there is wolf in the sheepfold”! Isn’t that a great line and comeback? I loved it so much, I put that line in my first book on Rick Warren. So how about this for a category name for me:

“RABID DOG, FOAMING SCRIPTURES AT THE MOUTH”
aka James Sundquist

Global Conspiracy to Steal the Land of Israel by James Sundquist ~ Replacement Theology ~ Twenty Five Reasons Why Augustine Was Not A Saint

Key the following link in order to read the aforementioned slideshow:

https://studylib.net/doc/25187788/global-conspiracy-to-steal-the-land-of-israel-by-james-su

https://studylib.net/doc/25187788/global-conspiracy-to-steal-the-land-of-israel-by-james-su..

https://studylib.net/EuGH2

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Replacement Theology

Here are the 9 separate slideshow series on Replacement Theology and their accompanying audios which complement the above Israel slideshow link:

https://studylib.net/QuGH2

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LcyuYySF42DgAMJgF15znd2xn8MISn1B/view?usp=drive_web

https://studylib.net/TuGH2

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Y3MLGq4j7pIF5IhF76JQVyh1MWMS5sM/view?usp=drive_web

https://studylib.net/UuGH2

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QMCy146hyCr5sQ7zpwxwQrOVLduzLfbq/view?usp=drive_web

https://studylib.net/OAGH2

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vlh0sispOmcldDjd3CUt3sYTUCQC8ajx/view?usp=drive_web

https://studylib.net/XuGH2

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g1Hj0QX38-VZHczxRMpWm35A7RZVBP4p/view?usp=drive_web

https://studylib.net/YuGH2

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CcItLjaugFTpe1uBnXEaXwVcN8g8fDd6/view?usp=drive_web

https://studylib.net/ZuGH2

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qIL0LXZPjWhhevQN0FfF58AzHXthEKSU/view?usp=drive_web

https://studylib.net/DEGH2

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EYH3iQ8oBhcPV6H3UigXbXspEnKaF-bl/view?usp=drive_web

https://studylib.net/GEGH2

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G4fclDRGq7Gv3nqnfajwZu4zp7QyShAH/view?usp=drive_web

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TWENTY FIVE REASONS WHY AUGUSTINE WAS NOT A SAINT
The Weaponization of Christianity

Click to access Augustinewasnotasaint.pdf