Peter Never A Pope / Exposing Heresy And Apostasy In The Roman Catholic Church

FAKE FATHER, FAKE SON, FAKE HOLY SPIRIT, FAKE PETER, FAKE PURCHASE, FAKE APOSTLES, FAKE BAPTISM, FAKE PRIESTS, FAKE SAINTS  

VS. SCRIPTURE

BY JAMES SUNDQUIST http://www.eaglemasterworksproductions.com
Dear Founder Dominick Pepito Alpha International,
My father was a WWII U.S. Army Veteran physician in charge of all of the medical supplies in North Africa, and later stationed in Naples, Italy helped liberate your country of Italy from Nazi tyranny.
In response to your unsolicited email to sell coins to rebuild Notre Dame Cathedral:
First let me say, that If you are going to name a building, name it after Christ, not Mary as Notre Dame is French for Our Lady.  
A more accurate title and name of this building your are trying to rebuild and restore:
“SHRINE OF THE INQUISITION TORTURE CHAMBER”
Your solicitation reads:
“DIVINE PROVIDENCE CUSTOM DESIGNED COINS
HELP THE RESTORATION EFFORTS OF NOTRE-DAMECATHEDRAL THROUGH OUR “HEART OF PARIS COIN”
Our “Hearts of Paris” Notre-Dame Cathedral  coin is trademarked and was minted to help raise money for the rebuilding and restoration efforts of Notre dame Cathedral”, with the front of the coin stating ”Liberté, égalité, fraternité, and the the back of the coin stating “We will rebuild Notre-Dame Together”.  Source:

https://www.alphainternationalenterprises.com/custom-creations–notre-dame-cathedral-coins.html

There at least six very striking critical biblical problems with these slogans and promises:
First, Divine Providence is the domain of God alone, who had nothing to do with designing these coins.  And God would never design such a coin, as you will will see in the rest of this report.  
Secondly, ”Liberté, égalité, fraternité, was the slogan that launched the French Revolution in which 17,000 were beheaded by the infamous guillotine in what is called The Reign of Terror.  Today it is the national motto of France.  But this is a political cry and ideology, certainly not  even remotely a Christian religion mandate or command even remotely resembling the Great Commission of the Gospel.  
Thirdly, it makes a promise for the future, in defiance of the Lord’s own command and warning to not make pledges and promises about the future, for tomorrow is known to no man.  So this whole campaign is fatally flawed at its premise.  
Fourthly, the ad is very misleading and deceptive because it implies that the entire cathedral burned to the ground and/or is going to be completely rebuilt and restored.  But the fact is, only a small portion fo the cathedral burned at the top which was its spire and part of the roof, and therefore, only a small percentage of the entire building complex.  In fact, here is proof of precisely what burned in the fire:

 

SOURCE: https://www.vox.com/2019/4/16/18312072/notre-dame-cathedral-fire
Fifthly, the ad also gives the impression that Alpha International Enterprises is the primary channel for funding the rebuilding and restoration of the cathedral, when in fact, the government of France and many other billionaires are donating hundreds of millions of dollars in and outside of France for its reconstruction.   Proof:

https://abcnews.go.com/International/339-million-pledged-rebuild-notre-dame-fire-destroys/story?id=62424888
And even in the ad, only a portion of the sale of the coins is even going to its restoration. 
Sixthly, by integrating church and state into the campaign and coin, the promoters defy Christ’s warning of the Leaven of Herod.  And why would this organization sell coins in the U.S., whose very raison d’etre is separation of church and state? *****A host of Catholics and even Evangelicals are grieving.  I am grieving too, but not for the same reasons.  I grieve for the host of true Christians and their families of the martyrs tortured during the Inquisition by what that building symbolizes as well as for the hundreds of millions of Catholics who have been victims of RC extortion and threat of Purgatory, and the Fraud that RC committed with Indulgences.  Roman Catholics are so shaken by fire that caused the partial burning down off this building.  But where is the outcry for the fire of saints being burned at the stake during the Roman Catholic Inquisition which began in France, where Notre Dame Roman Catholic Cathedral still stands.  You name a building after Mary the Mother of Jesus.  How would think she would feel about her name being invoked for a building responsible for much of the torture and martyrdom of saints.  And even if they were heretics, is that what Jesus or the New Testament taught as the technique for evangelism and restoring a person to the faith or the church of Christ?
That is what I see.
And didn’t Christ judge another building in 70 AD that was the nerve center for another religion that Paul said was eternally damned?  Therefore, I submit the following which is not new, but we need reminding:
1.  Roman Catholicism is a religion of terrorism, extortion, and necromancy.    Roman Catholicism is a false religion in which you co-pay for your salvation vs. Christ’s last words on the Cross were “FULLY PAID!”.  That means Mary  (Notre Dame) can’t be a co-redemptrix (i.e., a sinner who co-pays with Christ for our salvation).  This also means that we would have to at least partly pay back Christ for his most expensive gift (present) in history.  And have you ever heard of telling someone who gave you a gift “Please let me pay you back at least part of the cost).  What an insult to the giver!  And as though paying back in this life weren’t bad enough, you might have to go to Purgatory to pay off the balance of what you owe God, contradicting Isaiah 53 and Christ and his own Apostles.  The Apostle Paul eternally damned the religion that taught that works and the law are necessary for salvation, precisely what Roman Catholicism teaches, meaning it is no longer a gift.  Paul made it clear that Salvation is by Grace alone that you are saved, not by works, lest any man boast.  The gifts of God are irrevocable according to Scripture, therefore, we have assurance of our salvation, not maybe we get to Heaven.
2. This is what their Pope just did:

Source: https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/05/vatican-issues-a-happy-ramadan-to-all-muslim-brothers-and-sisters
In another photo Roman Catholic previous Pope John Paul II is shown kissing the Koran:

And here is Pope Francis stating:

“We are all God’s children” at:

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/in-first-video-message-pope-francis-stresses-unity-we-are-all-children-of-god-39381
There are a number of Catholic scholars and journalists who state that “We are NOT all children of God”, such as Rachel Lu and Brian Kelly:

https://catholicism.org/only-in-baptism-does-one-become-a-child-of-god.htmlAs you know there a a number of Scriptures that define who is truly a child of God.  But If I could also submit some Scriptures and Jesus Christ’s own words of who is NOT a child of God.  Doesn’t this all should seal the deal?  For example, Jesus saying “depart from me you wicked and accursed, I never knew you”, Matthew 7:23.  How are the wicked and accursed that Jesus never knew “all children of God”?  Jesus also said “your father the Devil” John 8:44-45.  (Can you be both children of God and children of the Devil at the same time?).  Jesus also called some of the Judaizer’s twice the sons of Hell”:
“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.”  Matthew 23:15
So are sons of Hell children of God? 
The Apostle John stated:
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36
And again John states:
“He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life”  I John 5:12
So if the wrath of God is on many children, how are all of these children, children of God?
John also defined “antichrist” as anyone who does not believe the Word (God) was made flesh and dwelt among us.  This is Islam in a nutshell.  So are all of these antichrists “all children of God”.  Is the Antichrist yet to come a child of God?  Was Judas?  Was Haman, Sanballat, Tobiah, Bhudda, Mohammad (Islam),  Ananias and Sapphire, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, The False Prophet “all children of God”?
Jesus also said, “he who does the will of my father which is in Heaven, he is my brother, he is my sister”.  Therefore, those who don’t are brothers and sisters of a different Father, and could not be all children of God.  Paul eternally damning the Judaizers in Galations.  If they are children of God how can they be eternally damned?  Revelation makes a list of who will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.  If they are children of God, how can you exclude them?
So my most critical question for you is if the Pope is the Vicar of Christ, would he and Jesus Christ be in agreement?
I look forward to reading where any Roman Catholic can reconcile this question and the others I posed above.
And add to these quotes from Roman Catholic Mother Teresa, exalting Islam and other religions:
MOTHER TERESA stated that she wanted to make Muslims better Muslims, Hindus better Hindus, and  Buddhists better Buddhists.  When “Mother” Teresa died, her longtime friend and biographerNaveen Chawla said that he once asked her bluntly, “Do you convert?”She replied, “Of course I convert. I convert you to be a better Hindu or a better Muslim or a better Protestant. Once you’’vefound God, it’s up to you to decide how to worship him” (“MotherTeresa Touched Other Faiths,” Associated Press, 9/7/97).The April 7–13, 1990, issue of Radio Times tells the story of “Mother”Teresa sheltering an old Hindu priest. “She nursed him with herown hands and helped him to die reconciled with his own gods.”—www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/teresa/general.htm
And regarding the promotion of Mother Teresa:
To laud Mother Teresa without mentioning her stand on the Gospel is a denial of the Gospel. Here is what Mother Teresa thought of the Gospel: “”I love all religions. . . . If people become better Hindus, better Muslims, better Buddhists by our acts of love, then there is something else growing there”.” She upheld that there are many ways to God: “All is God— (That sounds a whole lot like Roma Downey seeing the Face of God in everyone.).  Buddhists, Hindus, Christians,betc., all have access to the same God” (12/4/89 Time, pp. 11, 13).
Mother Teresa told everyone no matter what their religion: “If in coming face to face with God we accept Him in our lives, then we are converting. We become a better Hindu, a better Muslim, a better Catholic, a better whatever we are. . . . What God is in your mind you must accept” (from Mother Teresa: Her People and Her Work, by Desmond Doig, [Harper & Row, 1976], p. 156).—www.deceptioninthechurch.com/ditc11-4.html3. Notre Dame Cathedral was the Roman Catholicism headquarters in France responsible for torturing and killing myriads of true saints and we should contribute money to rebuild this shrine of abomination to the Lord?
4.  Rick Warren thinks Roman Catholicism and Pope are also our brothers in Christ and wants to include Muslims in his Global Peace Plan even though Christ’s Global Peace Plan will not have a single Muslim or Muslim nation in his Global Peace Plan.  Islam is also a false religion because it teaches that Christ was not crucified and did not die, but was taken up into Heaven, the antithesis of what the Apostle Paul taught if Christ be not risen (which he couldn’t do unless he died), then our faith is in vain and we are dead in our trespasses!
WARN EVERYONE!!!!!!
I personally can’t warn everyone, but I can warn my extensive two thousand plus media database, and the Christian radio networks I have been a guest on and the publications and Christian journals I write for about your unholy alliance and promotion of the Prince of Darkness who is not the heart of Paris, rather the heart of darkness!
I solemnly entreat you to read my documentary: Islamic Jesus vs. Biblical Jesus at:

https://www.arabicbible.com/for-christians/1316-jesus-christian-vs-islam.html
I also note that you wrote a book exalting Augustine.  On your website re Augustine you state:
“I TRULY BELIEVE IT WAS MARY OUR QUEEN OF HEAVEN, WHO GUIDED MY HANDS THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT, TO CREATE THESE WORKS IN HONOR FOR HER & OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.”  Dominick 
I wrote a documentary on Augustine I entreat you to read.  I was shocked that he was your initial inspiration as he was the one who weaponized Christianity.
Proof:

https://procinwarn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Augustinewasnotasaint.pdf
Finally, from your website, your first obligation is not to serve, but preach the Gospel, not another Gospel and another Jesus or Queen of Heaven!  And if you want to serve which indeed is what a Christian does as a New Creation, why not raise money to pay the families of all of the victims of sexual abuse by millions of Roman Catholic priests instead of raising money to pay for rebuilding a shrine that historically tortured true saints, and make restitution as John the Baptist commanded?  And while you are at it, why don’t you (the Roman Catholic Church) who defrauded tens of millions Catholics for the Indulgences you took to deceive Catholics into believing they could shorten their sentence in a non-existent place of Purgatory, in the spirit of Zacchaeus pay back four times what you defrauded?  Selling forgiveness could not be a more accurate description of still one more warning by the Apostle Peter who described religious leaders in Judaism as “experts in greed”.   But Peter’s warning was virtually prophetic in describing Roman Catholicism. Peter condemned this practice called Simony (selling or buying spiritual pardons spiritual powers) in Acts 8:18.  And Peter verified the authority of all of Paul’s Scripture which means he concurred with Paul’s warning in I Timothy 6:10 that “money is the root of all kinds of evil”.  Indulgences also would qualify as one the six things God hates: “ a heart that devises wicked plans” (Proverbs 6:18).  Selling Indulgences could rank as one of the greatest scam and financial swindle and scandal exponential dishonesty in history.  But even worse, they usurped Christ having FULLY paid for the remission of sins, denying Christ’s last words on the Cross and Isaiah 53 which clearly states the God “laid on Christ the iniquity of us all” and not by our stripes are we healed, but by Christ’s alone.  Jesus actually gave us a picture of the worth of one soul that all of the wealth of all of the kingdoms would not add up to be sufficient for even one soul, in Matthew 16:26 and Mark 8:36.  But imagine it did equate in an accounting sense to one soul?  Then the rest of all Catholics and all of mankind would have no money or ability to commute their sentence in Purgatory.  And if Indulgences are so holy, noble, valuable, and financially secure, then why did Pope Pius V abolish them in 1567?  Think of the billions of Roman Catholics who have lived since 1567, who could have had their punishment sentence reduced or commuted but now have to serve out their full sentence of potentially millions of years in Purgatory.  Why aren’t they protesting this injustice, if God is not a respecter of persons as it says in Romans 2:11-16? Why don’t Roman Catholics initiate a petition to the Pope to reinstate Indulgences so they can get the same deal Catholics were offered before 1567?  For certain, I am not advocating this because it goes against Scripture, I am simply using their own reasoning to refute them.  And if the Roman Catholic Church needed a new building, why didn’t  the Pope simply do what Solomon did to raise money for a new Temple, and simply send out a fund raising campaign to raise the necessary funds required to fully fund the building where all of the collections were voluntary contributions without bribery or extortion?  
I invite you to read this comparison chart between Biblical Christianity and Roman Catholicism by Richard Bennett, former Roman Catholic Priest:

https://www.the-highway.com/Roman Catholicismsummary_Bennett.html
Here is a video documentary I produced with former Roman Catholic priest Richard Bennett entitled:Experiencing God Through Deceitful Mysticism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50geMDUvZnM
I exhort you to repent before it is too late.*******

PART II

Dear Founder Dominick Pepito Alpha International and Staff of AIE,
I trust that you received and read my response letter to your solicitation? Will you be responding?
There are two more critical comments and document you should receive.

1.  WHO IS BIBLICALLY A SAINT VS. ROMAN CATHOLIC SAINT
Why won’t you call everyone a saint the Scripture states is a saint?  And why don’t you address every true Christian as a saint, if Peter himself whom you revere said that every single person who was purchased by Christ’s shed blood is a saint.  So by singling out and canonizing saints it not only insults every true saint that the Roman Catholic Church and Pope does not canonize, but it presumes and redefines the definition of saint with different criteria than Peter and Paul define one.  Secondly, it presumes that those whom the Pope canonizes even meet the biblical criteria to be a saint in the first place, e.g., Augustine.  Thirdly, the Apostle Peter calls all born again Christians who repented unto salvation priests.  So by calling only Roman Catholic priests as priest defrauds every Christian of this title, who will also rule and reign with Christ as kings…yes every single one of them.  If only whom the Pope canonizes are saints, this effectively is saying that only the prayers of Roman Catholic saints availeth much, and non Catholic prayers does not availeth much, in fact would avail nothing, since Roman Catholic Doctrine anathematizes all (curses) all non Catholics according to the still binding Council of Trent.  I should also point out that Roman Catholic definition of “anathematize” is not the same meaning that the Apostle Paul gives to this word in Galatians.  Paul’s definition of “anathematize” was to eternally damn, Roman Catholic definition means a curse that is reversible.   Finally, the Apostle Peter, the supposed rock and first Pope of the Catholic church, demolishes this stronghold of who is really a saint, in I Peter Chapter 2, verses 5,9:
“you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For it stands in Scripture:
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
and
“But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.”  I Peter 2:5,9
Notice how Peter is forensically precise in defining who “you” is…every single saint that purified themselves by taking the action of belief and faith in Christ.  They are the royal priesthood!  Go back and read all of Chapter 2 as well as I and II Peter and see how Peter fully instructs who are truly priests according to Scripture.  In so doing, just like defrauding all of the Christians who are truly already saints, Roman Catholicism defraud every born again Christian who is already a priest.  Counterfeit Vicar of Christ (Popes), Counterfeit surrogate Apostolic Succession (i.e., Popes), Counterfeit Priests, and Counterfeit saints.  So the bottom line is that Roman Catholicism has born false witness against the Apostle Peter’s own testimony, which is an abomination to the Lord to bear false witness against a brother in Christ.  In this regard, I entreat you to read former Roman Catholic Rebecca Sexton’s article:

THE BIBLICAL APOSTLE PETER VS THE PETER OF ROMAN CATHOLICISM By Rebecca Sexton

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n2042.cfm
It is almost as though Peter knew in advance prophetically what Roman Catholicism was going to with his name, title, and doctrine and metastasize it into the Spiritual Cancer of the Ages.

2.  INFANT BAPTISM (PRACTICED BY BOTH ROMAN CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS) VS. BELIEVERS BIBLICAL BAPTISM  
Peter demolished this stronghold of Roman Catholicism by comparing baptism to Noah’s Flood in which the entire earth was submerged (deluged).  (I Peter 3:20-21, II Peter 5:6-7).  But if infants are baptized as infants it can not be an act of the infant doing so as an act of faith or believe, which Peter says is necessary to purify oneself”
“Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth” I Peter 1:22
How does an infant exercise an act of obedience in which they had no voice or free will to exercise? Impossible!
DECALOGUE OF TEN REASONS 

TO RECONSIDER IF INFANT BAPTISM IS BIBLICAL

1.         CIRCUMCISION OF THE HEART commanded by Apostle Paul, is what counts, not circumcision of the foreskin (Romans:2:29). Defenders use literal circumcision of infants and the ceremonial cleansing with water to justify baptism of infants. But literal circumcision was instituted by God as a sign to visually separate and mark Jews from Gentiles, and only by biological genealogy, under the Old Covenant Law, and that only to males.  And literal circumcision accomplished nothing for the souls of these infants.  And many Jews who were circumcised remained in unbelief, so, spiritually speaking it didn’t even help them.  Biblical circumcision purpose is to separate Non-Christians from Christians.  So if this is a direct equivalent, then how could females be saved?  Answer: circumcision of the heart occurs for both sexes, and Jew or Gentile, as the Apostle Paul makes clear. Paul does equate spiritual circumcision to new birth, but he does not equate literal circumcision to literal baptism.  Name one child in the history of the church whose heart was circumcised when they were an infant when they were baptized. So Paul would say this kind of baptism does not count.  And if you think infant baptism was bad when it was just in the church, it really became globally destructive, when the church and state were merged, even making failure to baptize infants a crime, in defiance of Christ’s warning to beware of the Leaven of Herod.
2.         CITIZEN OF THE KINGDOM at the time of infant baptism?  This is tantamount to giving U.S. Citizenship to illegal aliens, who haven’t even applied for it. But a true Citizen of the Kingdom must be a Christian.  A child is a citizen of the Kingdom of Darkness until he or she becomes a new creation and a new man or woman in Christ, not before.  Who is a CHILD OF THE NEW COVENANT OR THE JOINT HEIRS TO THE KINGDOM?  Protestant defenders say that infant baptism doesn’t save, but turn right around and call the infant a child of the New Covenant and grafted into the Body of Christ.  But all children are children of darkness and enemies of Christ until they become children of light, which can’t happen until they are born again, which can’t happen when they are an infant.  Collective baptism for entire households collides with individual decision, as Christ declare that only “he who does the will of my Father, which is in Heaven, are my brother and my sister”.  Where is the “will” in an infant?  Even if you knew which children would become Christians, you shouldn’t baptize them until they profess their faith publicly.  Another religion of billions of adherents has forced conversion to their faith for fifteen hundred years.  So we want to force conversion upon infants?  And this action is Liberty in Christ?  Freedom in Christ? And if the infant grows up to later reject the faith, are they still considered a child of the New Covenant?  To whom did Christ even give the power to become sons of God, or Child of the New Covenant?  Only those that received him!  Those are Christ’s own words in John.  What infant in the history of the church ever received him?  Answer: NONE.  Therefore, it is impossible that they become sons of God during infant baptism.
3.         ARRANGED MARRIAGE.  Would you be OK with being forced by your parents to marry whomever they choose?  The pastor or priest even blesses the parents for presenting their child for this compulsory engagement and presumption of eventual marriage.  A forced literal marriage results in forced relations (renting the veil) without consent.  So wouldn’t a forced spiritual marriage. which the infant is incapable of preventing, defile the spiritual wedding bed?  Well that is precisely what is happening when you force infant baptism upon a child because you are forcing the spiritual betrothal of Christ the Groom to the Infant Bride of Christ, effectively placing a spiritual engagement ring on the child’s finger. But the engagement is not consummated until the circumcision of the heart as the first prerequisite, the spiritual marriage between Christ the Groom and the Collective Bride of Christ, will not take place until Christ returns in glory to set up his kingdom.  CHOOSE TODAY WHOM YOU WILL SERVE?  So how are infants able to choose to serve and follow Christ?  They don’t choose to be baptized, i.e, whom they would spiritually marry, their parents do the choosing.  Paul’s answer was that you have to BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved.  How does an infant believe?  But you can’t get to Heaven on your parents apron strings.  No surrogates allowed.  Infant baptism presumes it is an invitation to the Marriage Wedding Supper of the Lamb.  Every communion is a preview of the Marriage  Supper of the Lamb between His Bride the Church, and himself as the Groom, when we literally see Christ face to face.
4.        CONFIRMATION & COMMUNION.  When a baptized infant grows up he or she must then confirm what was done to them in infant baptism.  But what are they confirming?  They can’t be confirming their salvation at infancy, because they had not yet repented and were not saved yet.  Therefore, then, what is the purpose?  And what happens if they reject the infant baptism and reject the faith?  Or reject infant baptism because they want to be baptized by immersion because they are NOW making their profession of faith and want to do this publicly as as Scripture commands.    A person will be entitled and commanded to take communion once they become a Child of the New Covenant.  An infant can’t take Communion (The Lord’s Supper), who does not even know what Communion means yet.  Paul also said that a Christian should not take Communion unworthily.  So wouldn’t the taking of Communion at Confirmation be unworthy if they were taught and still believe that they are already a child of the New Covenant because they were baptized as an infant?  Roman Catholic Confirmation also bestows seven gifts of the Holy Spirit, five of which are not listed in Scripture, therefore, they are counterfeit gifts, not Gifts of the Holy Spirit.  They also exclude many of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, and administer the same seven Gifts to every person, even though Scripture does not give the same Gifts to ever Christian.  Plus it is the priest who must administer these gifts, usurping the Office of the Holy Spirit, who alone gives these gifts, adding and replacing what Scripture teaches and commands.
5.        GLOBAL FLOOD (Total Immersion) or LOCAL FLOOD (Sprinkling).  The Apostle Peter compares conversion to Christ to the Global Flood where the entire earth was submerged in water, in which a person is totally buried symbolically to the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.  Peter even said this pledge symbolizes a good conscience.  How does an infant make a pledge?  How does an infant obtain a clean conscience?  But a person must believe all three of these to be in union with Christ to be truly redeemed, in which Christ is not sprinkled with dirt, otherwise, there would have been no tombstone to roll away. 
6.        SOLA SCRIPTURA.  Scripture never once describes infant baptism. This act is going beyond what is written, prohibited in Scripture, and it collides with sound doctrine on several fronts.  God cannot bless what he has not commanded in Scripture.  In fact, adding unto Scripture, or being an enabler or participant in this fake sacrament, bringing in this doctrine, what is not in it actually receives a curse from God.  And the Apostle John warns that welcoming a doctrine that they did not teach, would share in their guilt.  Adding infant baptism doctrine, and going beyond Scripture by adding gifts of the Holy Spirt, in the Church is Satan’s masterpiece, the author of confusion and this lie, as to who is really saved, which was given birth, when Replacement Theology took root to usurp everything that belonged to Israel and transferred it to the Church.  How ironic, that the parents must renounce Satan and all his works, while simultaneously doing his very work and bidding, by creating the illusion and delusion that infant baptism accomplishes salvation and rebirth for their child.
7.       SOLA FIDE.  Where is faith in an infant to baptize them?  We are saved through faith. Faith is unconditional, meaning faith alone, and it must precede baptism, which infants do not possess yet.  And it is not just faith on its own, but the OBJECT of faith, Christ himself that is required.  So they can’t become Members of the Body of Christ without faith.  Without faith it is impossible to please God.  So where is the faith in the infant?
8.       SOLUS CHRISTUS.  Where and when did Christ or any Apostle ever perform or authorize infant baptism?  There is no precedent.  The thief on the Cross was not baptized, but was saved.  Therefore, literal baptism is not required for salvation, whether infant or adult.  A host of saints died in the faith because they were martyred first, or died before they had an opportunity, or were simply unable to be baptized, even as adults.  Rather they were baptized into the faith through their faith in Christ alone, at the nanosecond of their conversion.  All of these saints at the beginning of the Church Age would have been baptized by immersion in water after their conversion, as a public testimony and witness, but only if and when they were able.
9.       SOLA GRATIA.  By grace alone are you saved.  The grace of God (alone) draws a man to repentance.  Where is the repentance during infant baptism?  Paul said if you are literally circumcised, it is NO LONGER grace.  Therefore, if infant baptism is the equivalent of circumcision, then infant baptism is no longer grace, because literal circumcision is a work, and that not even by the infant.  Yet Reformer giant, John Calvin’s heir was Heinrich Bullinger, who taught that a second baptism or re-baptism (anabaptist) at conversion was profane (as did even most of the Reformation teach), that he ordered a third baptism, aka execution by drowning.  And this is by grace alone?  You get executed simply for refusing a free gift?
10.       SOLI DEO GLORIA.  How is God glorified when Christians do something they have no authority biblically to do?  Remember what the Lord did to Uzziah, the perhaps well-meaning but disobedient Israelite, who laid hands on the Ark to rescue it from falling?  Aren’t you touching what God has NOT yet anointed until they are truly born again? Aren’t you defrauding the child by taking and usurping from him or her a glorious experience that should belong only to him or her to choose, but only after the Holy Spirit has drawn this person to repentance long after they are infants?  Aren’t you stealing and robbing this child of their New Birth birthright to choose to obey Christ and his Apostle’s to be baptized as a believer, not by the obedience or disobedience of a surrogate, their parents?  Aren’t you defiling and desecrating and robbing the temple (potential temple) of the Holy Spirit?  The infant is not yet SAVED or BORN AGAIN.   Roman Catholic,  Eastern Orthodox and Anglican, and most Protestant Denominations declare the infant reborn or New Creation who has been purified, justified, and sanctified by this bath.  Not one single sin has been washed away for even one infant in the history of the church.  And when this child reaches age of reason and accountability, does, or has the priest or pastor ever repented or made restitution to someone they baptized as an infant, who confronts him for doing so before the proper time?  Or even repent if the child rejects the faith?  The pastor or priest asks the congregation to be WITNESSES to a conversion to Christ by calling the infant a CHILD of the New COVENANT that never happened, having born false witness, deceiving the people, and later as well, when the infant discovers he or she too was deceived, when he or she has come to majority.   These pastors and priests who administer infant baptism are actually derelict watchman on the wall for shirking their responsibility to tell the congregation and potential converts the truth.   Infant Baptism is not one of the only two Sacraments commanded in Scripture.  Infant Baptism is a Rite that is not Right!

***So all we need is Peter’s own words to refute and demolish Roman Catholicism Principality and their audacity to steal the Apostle Peter’s true identity totally misrepresenting him committing false advertising, fake news, false claims, and marketing fraud, a crime!
Sincerely in Christ,
James Sundquist
*****

PART III
If Apostolic Succession of Popes were biblical, there would always be 12 Popes all serving simultaneously to this day.  All 12 Apostles were directly selected by Christ alone, and were eyewitnesses to Christ, and given the power to perform signs and wonders and cast out demons (no Pope every performed and signs and wonders or cast out demons, except Peter who was not a Pope), with no successors.  The Apostle Paul verified the criteria for the mark of an Apostle in 2 Cor. 12:12.  The Office of Apostle ended when the last Apostle John died. Elders and deacons were appointed by the Apostles and brothers in Christ appointed them too, but elders and deacons had no Scriptural authority to elect or appoint Apostles in the Church.  And note that until Roman Catholicism was established not even the Apostles kept replacing the Apostles, with one exception, Matthias to replace Judas, but none after that.  In reality is was the Apostle Paul who became the 12th Apostle, as he was chosen by Christ.  As the Apostles died off one by one, note there was no Council in Jerusalem or anywhere else to replace them, after the Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D., and the church dispersed, so that right before John died on the Isle of Patmos, there was only one, then when he died there were zero, and henceforth zero.  The Apostle Paul confirms in Ephesians 2:20 that Apostles are part of the foundation of the church (not the floors, walls, ceiling, or roof):
“built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.”  Ephesians 2:20
This further confirmed by the Apostle John in Rev 21:14
“The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.” Rev. 21:14
So there were and are not 13 or 266 (i.e, Popes). Therefore, the rest of the Church was build UPON this foundation of 12 Apostles, all members, including elders and deacons.  There is no foundation above the foundation.  The Apostles were not the super-structure.  So once the last Apostle died, so ended Apostolic Authority in the form of a man, so even discussing Apostolic Succession becomes a moot point.  Though we still have their final authority of any New Testament Scripture they penned, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.  It was even Peter who declared in Scripture that no Scripture is subject to private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20), meaning no Pope could privately interpret Scripture to mean that the Apostolic Succession is available.  It was not just terminated.  It never existed in the first place.
Roman Catholicism uses the term Apostolic Succession, but that is really a misnomer when they really mean Christ Succession.  Furthermore, Roman Catholicism calls the Pope the Vicar of Christ.  But this could not have been Peter as the First Vicar in Succession of Christ, because Christ himself already told us in Scripture who the true Vicar of Christ would be, and that is the Holy Spirit he would send at Pentecost after he had ascended into Heaven.  Besides this the Office of Christ and the Office of Apostle are separate and mutually exclusive offices.  Any other Vicar is an imposter, an Apostle becoming a Christ is an oxymoron.  The office of Christ on earth (though Christ himself is “the same yesterday, today, and forever”), and office of Apostle were each created after their own kind, so they can’t become the other. And Christ even warned that many would come in his name saying they are the Christ (or substitute) deceiving many.  The Apostle John describes and defines these fake vicars as antichrists, which in the Greek doesn’t just mean against Christ, but also means “in place of” or “substitute” for Christ.  Attributing authority in the Trinity to someone other than to whom the title belongs is blasphemy.  In fact, so serious is this sin, that Scripture says attributing works of the Holy Spirit to Satan, called Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, is the one unforgivable sin.  And Jesus said only those “who do the will of my Father which is in Heaven, he is my brother and my sister, and my mother”.  So if you call someone the Vicar of Christ, who is not, that is disobeying the will the Father.  But Roman Catholicism does not just prevaricate and usurp the Office of the Holy Spirit, they usurp the name Father in complete defiance of still another command by Jesus Christ to call NO man Father, by calling the Pope Holy Father, and every priest Father:”And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”  Matthew 23:9
Remember the whole context of Matthew Chapter 23 is in the framework of religious leaders.  Then let’s look forward to the First Council in Jerusalem to see who was actually present in Acts 15 (50 A.D.). The passage in Acts 15 makes it clear that ALL of the Apostles were present.  That means Matthew who authored Matthew 23:9 was present.   Now imagine Peter or any Apostle present were to postulate at the Council in Jerusalem in 50 A.D.  that Peter (the so-called First Pope) be addressed as “Holy Father” as all Popes are still currently being called?  Tragically, even the world and many Protestants even call the Pope “Holy Father.”   And remember there were a host of other witnesses present when Jesus said those words, many of whom would also be present as elders at the First Council of Jerusalem.  There would surely have been an uproar or even a riot as there was in Ephesus were this to have been even suggested.  Twenty years later in 70 A.D., Matthew, one of the Apostles penned the Book of Matthew confirms by the authority of Scripture that there was no one you could call “Father.”  So by then, Peter still wasn’t a singular authority over the entire church of the whole earth, i.e. “Holy Father Pope.” The bottom line is that no one would have dared propose such a model of Church government and authority in light of the commands of the Lord Jesus himself….that is until the launch of Roman Catholic religion replete with revisionist history and NO evidence.  And further note that there was no Apostle that outranked any other Apostle.  Paul even rebuked the church in I Corinthians Chapter 3, for putting a single man (even an Apostle) as their singular spiritual authority, underscoring that even an Apostle is just a fellow servant.  Paul hammers home this strong rebuke even more to shame them by telling them in Chapter 4: 6-8 to not go beyond what is written.  But that is precisely what Roman Catholicism has done with their hierarchy of authority and single man over them all.  But because they didn’t listen to Paul’s warning, they took pride in one man over another (vs.6).  Paul said imitate him as a servant, not try to imitate him by becoming an other Apostle, let alone a Pope with absolute global authority over the entire church.
And why do they call the Pope Holy Father instead of Holy Son since they believe that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ, not the Vicar of the Father? So in reality Roman Catholicism has usurped and denigrated all three persons of the Trinity: The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit, without the slightest qualm.  So in believing and promoting this triune axis of evil, then all Roman Catholics are not doing the will of the Father in Heaven, therefore they, by Scriptural definition can’t be brothers or sisters as Jesus Christ defines them.
Former Roman Catholic Priest Richard Bennett proves that it is the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Trinity, alone, who is the Vicar of Christ.
Here is the link:

https://bereanbeacon.org/who-is-the-true-vicar-of-christ/
It would appear that the Roman Catholic church has also usurped and stolen another dimension of vicarious (vicar), and that is Christ’s vicarious atonement via Indulgences, usurping who has the authority to forgive sins, and priests misappropriating the title of priests that belongs only to all true Christians, none of whom have the power to forgive sins, as this power belongs only to Christ.   So in truth, they may think they possess authority to forgive sins, but this is a myth and a tradition of man.  The money a bank robber steals from a bank he can still use to purchase goods.  But the currency of purchasing forgiveness (Christ’s shed blood) was never stolen and can not be stolen, as it remains with Christ alone.
One more thing on the Pope being the Vicar Fake Surrogate.  How does Roman Catholicism deal with Colossians that says Christ’s power and authority holds EVERYTHING together, every electron, otherwise, the entire Universe would fly apart? (Col 1:17 and Heb 1:3a)

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Calvinism, what is it and why is it dangerous with James Sundquist, Part One and Two

Discernment minister James Sundquist, uncovers theological error in Calvinism and shares it in his two recent interviews on Suzan Puzio’s national Prophecy radio show. In Christ, Pastor Steve <><

TWENTY FIVE REASONS WHY AUGUSTINE WAS NOT A SAINT ~ James Sundquist

TWENTY FIVE REASONS WHY AUGUSTINE

WAS NOT A SAINT

How Augustine Weaponized Christianity

I can certainly understand the need to teach what Augustine taught, like you would teach
what Darwin taught and what Evolution teaches, and what Karl Marx taught regarding
Socialism, but you would do so to expose and mark them, not promote them. So I
would think that Conservative Christian and Baptist seminaries and Baptist Church
denominations would be the last people on earth to promote Augustine. So I can’t help
but ask if pastors and professors ever told their members and students the rest of the
story about Augustine as follows:

1. The Roman Catholic Church considers him one the Four Ecumenical Doctors and
   Founding Fathers of Roman Catholicism
2. Augustine himself stated that if it were not for CATHOLICISM he would not have

found the Gospel. He was either a Founding Father, or Collaborator, and/or Co-
Conspirator of these Doctrine of Demons and Seducing Spirits:

3. Allegorical vs. Literal meaning of Scripture, particularly Creation Week in Genesis.
   See:
   Does God Expect Man to be able to Tell Time
   http://nwcreation.net/articles/theageofearth.html
   (Also exposes Dr. Hugh Ross who promotes Augustine)
   “It not infrequently happens that something about the earth…may be known with the
   greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is

too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-
Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if

in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from
laughing when he saw how totally in error they are. In view of this and in keeping it in
mind constantly while dealing with the book of Genesis, I have, insofar as I was able,
explained in detail and set forth for consideration the meanings of obscure passages,
taking care not to affirm rashly someone meaning to the prejudice of another and
perhaps better explanation.”SOURCE: The Literal Interpretation of Genesis 1:19–20,
Chapt. 19 [AD 408]

4. Defied the warning of the Apostle Peter with his private interpretation of Scripture
   and subjective eisegesis, and he didn’t even know Greek language.
5. Purgatory and Works Salvation and Sanctification, which is the Doctrine of Non-
   Justification by Faith Alone, and thereby defying Christ’s own word on the Cross by

teaching “It is Unfinished” (but rather finished in this life and the life to come).
Augustine could have prevented Indulgences from ever gaining traction in Roman
Catholicism by renouncing Purgatory as a myth, so that there would never have been a
place to spring saints from. Paul renounces myths and fables, Augustine promoted them.
We would all be well to take Paul’s advice. But what happens is a host of pastors would
even say they oppose Augustine, yet continue to promote myriads of his teachings. The
Bible calls this “double-minded…unstable in all their ways.” James 1:8. In modern
vernacular we call this “waffling.” They might even agree with this list of 25 reasons
why Augustine was not a saint, but then claim he was “saved” (how could he be saved
by becoming a Roman Catholic), “a good theologian” and “we are Augustinian?” See
this article:
Can a Roman Catholic be Saved?:
https://carm.org/are-roman-catholics-christian. One Baptist pastor who taught at
Baptist Seminary who said these very words also insisted on diminishing the Old
Testament, with particular contempt for the Book of Numbers and Leviticus. Yet this
same pastor pushes tithing from the pulpit and weekly cites Malachi 10:3 regarding
tithing. But these books clearly spell out why tithing can’t be a Christian Doctrine. Had
he properly taught these Books of the Bible, the church members would be properly
equipped. Also see:
Blasphemy of Purgatory
http://thesewordsmin.blogspot.com/2011/10/blasphemy-of-purgatory.html
Augustine perverted Doctrine of Penal Substitutionary Atonement:
“Does this mean then that his Son was already so reconciled to us that he was even
prepared to die for us, while the Father was still so angry with us that unless the Son
died for us he would not be reconciled to us?… Would the Father have not spared his
own Son but handed him over for us, if he had not already been reconciled? … I observe
that the Father loved us not merely before the Son died for us, but before he founded the
world…” Augustine, xiii [of De Trinitate]
And even if one were to fully concede that Augustine published a statement that was
clear that he believed that Christ died to appease his Father’s wrath, etc., because he also
believed in Purgatory, as did C.S. Lewis, this would nullify PSA, because it would no
longer be “it is finished” because we have to finish it in Purgatory, at least those who
couldn’t first make it to Heaven, according to this nefarious teaching. At least C.S.
Lewis was consistent re Penal Substitutionary Atonement, because the insufficiency of
the Blood of Christ in this life and the life to come (Purgatory), so that the balance of
our sentence would have to be paid by us. Many Protestants and Evangelicals were led
to convert to Roman Catholicism because of C.S. Lewis and his writings. See these links
for evidence:
Catholic Sources:

C.S. Lewis and Catholic Converts
http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/2724/cs_lewis_and_catholic_converts.aspx and
My Path to Rome

http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/religion-and-philosophy/apologetics/my-path-to-
rome.html

Evangelical Sources:
C. S. Lewis and Evangelicals in the Church Today
http://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/downloads/ CS _ Lewis__p.php
and
The Chronicles of Narnia Wholesome Entertainment or Gateway to Paganism

I personally knew someone who attributed their conversion from being an Evangelical to
Roman Catholicism in great part to C.S. Lewis.

6. Millennialism
   Augustine taught that there is no literal thousand year period reign of Christ on the earth
   when he returns, contrary to Scripture. He was originally Premillennial but retracted this
   view as being “carnal.” In fact, Augustine systematized Millennialism in the
   4
   th Century.
7. Apostolic Succession…if this is true, then signs and wonders couldn’t end or cease.
   This would nullify or make the Reformation impossible, Apostolic Succession is alone
   the domain and teaching of Roman Catholicism! As anyone who is canonized as a saint
   in Roman Catholicism must have performed two miracles. It takes one miracle to be
   beatified. But Baptists and many Conservative Christians believe sign gifts ended with
   the Apostles. So then why are there so many Baptists Augustinians??
8. Replacement Theology
   In keeping with his allegorical systematized theology, Israel is now the Church,
   therefore, the Promised Land does not go to the Jews in his view.
9. Coercive Torture and Terrorism
   Augustine weaponized Christianity and systematized and institutionalized
   torture in the Name of Jesus. His Convert-or-die Christianity paved the way for
   the Inquisition, persecution and martyrdom of the tens of millions of true saints,
   massacring the Parable of the Wheat and Tares in Matthew Chapter 13. Had Augustine
   taken the opposite stance, i.e., the biblical stance, there may not have been the roots
   planted that eventually led to what the Conquistadors did in Central and South America.

If I were the Donatists, I would feel safer with Freddy Kruger, the legendary horror
movie villain, than Augustine. But Freddy Kruger was an imaginary figure…the horrors
toward saints at the hands of Augustine were real…a pastor from Hell….totally
disqualified as an elder or minister of righteousness. In fact, he never met the biblical
qualifications to be an elder in the first place. The Apostle Paul persecuted Christians
too, but that was BEFORE he was a Christian. In his own right, Augustine was a
terrorist, torturer, and persecutor of Christians, and planted the seeds and fertilizer for
the infrastructure for millions of martyrs, laying the ground work for and supplying the
blueprints to John Calvin. True Christians should run for their lives from Augustinians,
certainly not make him their pastor. With pastors like this, who needs enemies? And
how ironic, that Augustine taught that wrong have no rights. Therefore, since his
teachings are chalked full of wrong heresies, he is indicted by his own testimony. He
believed that coercion using “great violence” was biblically justified against fellow
Christians…all in the name of love. And where in Augustine’s Confessions do you find a
single confession and repentance for inciting and systematizing the torture of Christian
saints? So torturing saints in Purgatory who don’t make it to Heaven is not enough for
Augustine, he taught torturing while they were on earth too? Where is the accounting
ledger in his book of all the restitution he made to all of the saints he tortured?
John the Baptist taught the necessity of making restitution to those who were defrauded,
and Zacchaeus even proposed increasing the amount restitution to victims to four times
the amount. So were Augustine here today would he make restitution to all his victims
suffering from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder from what he did to them? How about
restitution for all of the false teachings in this article he promulgated? To say nothing
about what all of the tithing money went for to promote a false religion.
Augustine claims to find his doctrine and justification for harassing, stalking, and
persecuting Christians from Scripture. Augustine turned the healthy tissue of church
discipline given to us in Scripture into a metastasized form of Spiritual Melanoma
Cancer. So where did the Apostle Paul ONCE persecute, torture, believers or
unbelievers in the New Testament? Where did he once prescribe retaliation or use
violence against even the Judaizers and Pharisees, even though he was repeatedly
beaten, flogged, tortured, and imprisoned by them? The Apostle Paul ultimately
twice eternally cursed and damned them for Eternity, but did not physically abuse
them in any way in this life.
The death penalty was decreed for any one who practiced re-baptism…It is a fact
recognized by many recent historians, that the persecution of the Anabaptists surpassed
in severity the persecution of the early Christians by pagan Rome (“Mennonites in
Europe,” by John Horsch, p. 300). They were burned alive and turned over to wild
animals to be devoured, and in some case given a third baptism of drowning.
Augustine In Defense of Torturing Heretics: From Conversion to Coercion
http://egregores.blogspot.com/2010/10/augustine-in-defense-of-torturing.html

Here is a video depicting Roman Catholic Torture Techniques against heretics,
originally inspired by Augustine (incredible):
Roman Catholic Satanic Torture Methods!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI13wMpvj3s
I am utterly astonished at the number of even conservative Christian denominations,
pastors, authors, seminaries and Christian colleges who exalt Augustine virtually to the
Stratosphere as a theologian and pastor of pastors, particularly in America. Augustine’s
persecution of Christians paved the way and established the infrastructure for torture
which was perfected by Loyola in the Inquisition…victims ultimately in the tens of
millions. King James in England took the mantle and baton from Augustine and Loyola
for the Anglican Church, resulting in the fleeing of Puritans and Pilgrims and an
avalanche of other Christian refugees in England and the rest of Europe. And Calvin
took his baton to Geneva, Switzerland. American was founded on fleeing terrorists that
had merged Church and State. In fact, the United States Constitution and the Bill of
Rights was created to prevent Augustine’s antithesis of Freedom of Religion. The Bill of
Rights was created to prevent Augustinian types, with a path for redress should any
control freak ever attempt or succeed in taking anyone’s freedom of religion away or
infringe these rights. And the Second Amendment to bear arms was added, so that if
necessary an Augustinian type of terrorist comes to your house or city would be stopped
in their tracks. Furthermore Immigration Policy is designed to ban entry into the U.S., to
anyone like Augustine who promoted and terrorized Christians that did not meet his
definition of Christian:
Here are just two of the 18 restrictions which would bar Augustine even from entry into
the United States at least historically before Covid and the Border Crisis):
“have a physical or mental disorder that makes you harmful to others”
“have committed or been convicted of a crime of ‘moral turpitude’”
SOURCE:
List of Reason/Ground of Inadmissibility for Entering the United States
https://www.immihelp.com/18-grounds-of-inadmissibility-for-entering-the-united-states/
How about inside of the United States? Augustine would be guilty of torturing by these
statutes:
Bill of Rights
It is debated as to whether or not torture as a punishment falls under the cruel and
unusual punishment clause of the Eighth Amendment to the United States
Constitution. The text of the Amendment states that:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual

punishments inflicted.
The U.S. Supreme Court has held since at least the 1890s that punishments which
involved torture are forbidden under the Eighth Amendment.[4]
18 U.S.C. § 2340[edit]
An act of torture committed outside the United States by a U.S. national or a non-U.S.
national who is present in the United States is punishable under 18 U.S.C. § 2340. The
definition of torture used is as follows:
As used in this chapter—
1.“torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law
specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or
2.suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon
another person within his custody or physical control;
3.“severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or
resulting from—
A. the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;
B. the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of
mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses
or the personality;
C.the threat of imminent death; or
D.the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe
physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering
substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or
personality; and
(3) “United States” means the several states of the United States, the District of
Columbia, and the commonwealths, territories, and possessions of the United States.
And if somehow Augustine had managed to sneak into the country as an illegal alien,
and started up the same Godfather tactics he practiced in North Africa, he would have
been rounded up and rightfully deported or tried for a host of crimes. Fortunately, now
they have stalking laws to use against 21st Century stalkers like Augustine, and
kidnapping. In fact, kidnapping would be a federal felony crime. So if Augustine were to
attempt seizing someone today in the U.S., he would likely be deported, or in some
cases, if death resulted in the person being tortured, it would be Augustine himself
receiving capital punishment. Yet pastor after pastor remains gobsmacked and delirious

in their delusion. So Augustine couldn’t gain legitimate entry into the United States,
couldn’t become a member of a Conservative Baptist Church, and could not become a
pastor. Yet Pastor after pastor, denomination after denomination can’t control themselves
from exalting him and no doubt couldn’t wait to install him as their pastor or head of
their church denomination. John Calvin too, took the mantle of persecuting Christians in
Switzerland, from Augustine, who were running for their lives. So thorough was
Calvin’s total submersion and baptism into Augustine, said that his whole theology could
be found in the words of Augustine. Augustine designed the original torture of
Christians by the Catholic Church, Loyola refined it. I thought we got rid of the Divine
Right of Kings, once and for all, only to be replaced by the Divine Right of Pastors, who
want to put us back under bondage? Augustine is indisputably the global Grand
Architect, and Founding Father of Christians torturing Christians…a gangster. Anyone in
law enforcement or the FBI profiling this person, not knowing who he was, would see a
psychopath and sociopath control freak hungry for power who could not contain himself
from abusing his perceived enemies of the church…real or imagined…until they find out
it was Augustine…then mystically he becomes a sacred cow with diplomatic
immunity…and in the church, anyone speaking ill of him is the one with the problem.
The Shepherding Movement pales in comparison, yet no doubt has its roots in
Augustine. If anyone does not believe my report, I invite you to do your own Google
search for Augustine’s own words, published in his writings and books. Had pastors and
authors on Augustine done this, they would discover they had deceived their own sheep,
in this generation, and actually preached from the pulpit what Augustine really taught
before the Internet, for sixteen hundred years, perhaps the Great Falling Away could
have at least been minimized. But now, as the Apostle Paul would say, we are without
excuse!
And in case you think control-freak Christianity is extinct in either Roman Catholicism
or Protestants, see these stories in Germany, where hundreds of thousands of both
Catholics and Protestants are either terminating their church membership, or are leaving
the country, as recent at 2015 because the national government taxes all members:
“The German church tax — which is 8 to 9 percent of the annual income tax — is so
steep, however, that many people formally quit the church to avoid paying, while
nevertheless remaining active in their faith….”

10 Facts about German Church Tax
10 Facts about German Church Tax | myGermanExpert Blog
blexpert.com/2013/…/10-og.mygermanFacts-about-German-Church-Tax.ht…”
Church tax – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_tax
Taxpayers, whether Roman Catholic, Protestant or members of other tax-collecting
communities, pay an amount equal to between 8% (in Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg)
and 9% (in the rest of the country) of their income tax to the church or other community
to which they belong.
Compulsory Income Tax on Christians Drives Germans Away From Protestant and
Catholic Churches
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11380968/Compul

sory-income-tax-on-Christians-drives-Germans-away-from-Protestant-and-
Catholic-churches.html

England does the same thing.

10. Just War Antisemitism Theology led to Crusades justification for and Global
    Conspiracy to steal the Land of Israel for the Church
11. Leaven of Herod defying warning of Christ; merging Church and State as well as
    the warning of the Apostle Paul to let punishment for church matters and heresy stay
    within the church, unless crimes have been committed, then turn that over to the State.
12. Priests as Mediators between God and Man defying the Apostle Paul who wrote
    there is only One Mediator, Christ Jesus.
13. City of God is the Church and not Jerusalem
14. Infant Salvation Baptism and calling anyone who rejected it “infidels” and
    “cursed.” Augustine effectively called these Christians “accursed” is what the Apostle
    Paul did to the Judaizers in Galatians, so that they would have NO hope of salvation,
    eternally damning them. Augustine’s doctrine on infant baptism was eventually codified
    in the Roman Catholic Council of Trent, which anathematized anyone who did not hold
    these views on baptism. Want proof? Here is the Catholic Doctrine:

“ON BAPTISM

CANON I.-If any one saith, that the baptism of John had the
same force as the baptism of Christ; let him be anathema.

CANON II.-If any one saith, that true and natural water is not
of necessity for baptism, and, on that account, wrests, to some
sort of metaphor, those words of our Lord Jesus Christ; Unless
a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost; let him be
anathema.

CANON III.-If any one saith, that in the Roman church, which
is the mother and mistress of all churches, there is not the true
doctrine concerning the sacrament of baptism; let him be
anathema.

CANON IV.-If any one saith, that the baptism which is even
given by heretics in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and
of the Holy Ghost, with the intention of doing what the Church
doth, is not true baptism; let him be anathema.

CANON V.-If any one saith, that baptism is free, that is, not
necessary unto salvation; let him be anathema.

CANON VI.-If any one saith, that one who has been baptized
cannot, even if he would, lose grace, let him sin ever so much,
unless he will not believe; let him be anathema.

CANON VII.-If any one saith, that the baptized are, by
baptism itself, made debtors but to faith alone, and not to the
observance of the whole law of Christ; let him be anathema.

CANON VIII.-If any one saith, that the baptized are freed from
all the precepts, whether written or transmitted, of holy
Church, in such wise that they are not bound to observe them,

unless they have chosen of their own accord to submit
themselves thereunto; let him be anathema.

CANON IX.-If any one saith, that the resemblance of the
baptism which they have received is so to be recalled unto
men, as that they are to understand, that all vows made after
baptism are void, in virtue of the promise already made in that
baptism; as if, by those vows, they both derogated from that
faith which they have professed, and from that baptism itself;
let him be anathema.

CANON X.-If any one saith, that by the sole remembrance and
the faith of the baptism which has been received, all sins
committed after baptism are either remitted, or made venial; let
him be anathema.

CANON XI.-If any one saith, that baptism, which was true and
rightly conferred, is to be repeated, for him who has denied the
faith of Christ amongst Infidels, when he is converted unto
penitence; let him be anathema.

CANON XII.-If any one saith, that no one is to be baptized
save at that age at which Christ was baptized, or in the very
article of death; let him be anathema.

CANON XIII.-If any one saith, that little children, for that they
have not actual faith, are not, after having received baptism, to
be reckoned amongst the faithful; and that, for this cause, they
are to be re-baptized when they have attained to years of
discretion; or, that it is better that the baptism of such be
omitted, than that, while not believing by their own act, they
should be baptized in the faith alone of the Church; let him be

anathema.

CANON XIV.-If any one saith, that those who have been thus
baptized when children, are, when they have grown up, to be
asked whether they will ratify what their sponsors promised in
their names when they were baptized; and that, in case they
answer that they will not, they are to be left to their own will;
and are not to be compelled meanwhile to a Christian life by
any other penalty, save that they be excluded from the
participation of the Eucharist, and of the other sacraments,
until they repent; let him be anathema.”

Even Vatican II was just as ruthless, which was supposed to be kinder and gentler:
“If anyone says that in the Roman Church, which is the mother and mistress of all
churches, there is not the true doctrine concerning the sacrament of baptism,
let him be anathema.” (ibid., p. 53 — Seventh Session, Sacrament Of Baptism, Canon
3)
So when was this doctrine ever rescinded? Answer: NEVER!

15. Monasticism and marriage only value is to produce celibate offspring, defying
    Scripture and paving way for pedophilia abuse and homosexuality among priests
16. Neoplatonist and Humanist
17. Mysticism and Gnosticism
    Augustine got it all rolling…now read the fruit of this in the 21st Century:
    MILLENNIAL ESCHATOLOGY
    http://www.discernment-ministries.org/
    More proof, see:
    Richard Foster—Celebration of Deception
    http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue112.htm
    (This article does not name Augustine, but is about Richard Foster. However, Richard
    Foster says this about Augustine:
    “Confessions of St. Augustine” Recommended by Richard Foster as one of the best of
    the “experiential classics in Christian literature.”
18. Transubstantiation (Catholic Doctrine that teaches the Body and Blood of

Christ becomes literal)

19. Necromancy: Praying to Mary and Mary never sinned
    Necromancy is a magic art, i.e., sorcery. Revelation states clearly that those practice
    magic arts “will find their place in the Lake of Fire.” Rev. 21:8, and reconfirmed in Rev
    22:15. So if Augustine was truly a saint, and “saved” then how does he find himself in
    the Lake of Fire by practicing and stumbling multitudes to do the same? Augustine was
    so mixed up he call Mary the spouse of God:
    Augustine wrongly calls Mary, ALONE, the Spouse of God. The Church is the
    Spouse, or more technically the Bride to be, she is presently betrothed to Christ
    who is the Groom. She becomes the Bride (therefore the Wife) at the Wedding
    Supper of the Lamb, when Christ returns in Glory for his Bride. Now Mary,
    though highly favored among women, is less than one-billionth of the Bride to be,
    because she is a Christian. But all born-again Christians make up the Bride.

“Mary was the only one who merited to be called the Mother as Spouse of God.”
SOURCE: Augustine, Sermons 208; quoted by St. Alphonsus de Liguori in The
Glories of Mary (New York: Redemptorist, 1931)
But it is the Church that is the Bride of Christ, who is God. Mary was only a fraction of
one percent of the Bride. Also a spouse must be married. The Church is presently
betrothed to the Lord (engaged), but not married yet. That can’t happen until the
Marriage Supper of the Lamb, when Christ returns in Glory. Furthermore, how could
Mary be the Mother of God? Mary needed a Redeemer. Can someone in need of a
redeemer be the Mother of God? And how can you be simultaneously Wife and Mother
of God? Now imagine that if Mary is the Mother of God, wouldn’t all Christians (the
Church) then be collectively the Mother of God, using Augustine’s logic…since after all,
the Mother of God and the Spouse (Wife) are one and the same? Mary doesn’t become
the Spouse of God until all we as Christians become his Spouse with Mary, at the
Wedding Supper of the Lamb! Yet the legend of Augustine lives on without his deeds of
darkness and false teachings being exposed, marked, and named, as the Apostle Paul
commanded of all true Christians. The fact of this statement of Augustine, alone, renders
him Reprobate. Some might say he is apostate. But apostate means to fall away from
something that was originally a true religion or seed. But as Christ said a thorn
bush cannot produce figs. Matthew 23, though initially written to call Judaism a
worthless religion, it is mirrored in Catholicism. Catholicism, just like Judaism in the
First Century are thorn bush religions….worthless (Christ and the Apostle Pauls words,
not mine). Though I will say that Roman Catholicism has fallen away even further into
the Abyss since Augustine.

20. Praying for the dead
21. Jews have the Mark of Cain
22. Nephilim were descendants of Cain
23. Christians must Tithe at minimum. This is extortion and defies the Council of
    Jerusalem’s ruling for minimum requirements of Gentile Christians, and the Apostle
    Paul’s own instructions that all giving must NOT be out of compulsion.
    See Dr. Russell Kelly’s film documentary entitled:
    Tithing is not a Christian Doctrine:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYFkEh5bEXw
24. Added to God’s word importing Apocrypha to Canon
25. Exalted Traditions of men over Traditions of Christ and His Apostles in
    Scripture as Final Authority in defiance of the Apostle Paul

Video documentary With Richard Bennett Former RC Priest ~ James Sundquist

Experiencing God through Deceitful Mysticism Video-

https://archive.org/details/ExperiencingGodThroughDeceitfulMysticismemergingChurch

Creationists Kent Hovind, James Sundquist and Astronomer Danny Faulkner exposing Hugh Ross

Dr. Hovind – Debate Hugh Ross Part 3 of 3

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Below is James Sundquist’s input and article on the aforementioned debate. He has a more in depth version of the article on this subject after the first one:

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Does God Expect Man To Be Able To Tell Time?

James has studied the teachings of progressive creationist Dr. Hugh Ross for years. After I debated Dr. Ross on the John Ancherburg show I asked James to help me do a video about Dr. Ross’s comments during the debate. His comments are included in the Hovind-Ross debate video series. The following article gives good insight into the age of the earth question.

Dr. Kent Hovind

I think that one of the biggest arguments used by both Evolutionist and old earth Biblical Creationists which causes confusion in Christians and buckles the knees of even many young earth Biblical Creationists is the distance of the stars question. If the stars are so far away, then how could the earth be young? This is a very good question. Even many young earth Creationists, including astronomers, physicists, and geologists have varying and intriguing models to defend a young earth. But these models are, in great part, very dependent on science alone. And I believe that the Bible does not contradict science (when, in fact, the science is truth), or if it does, as in the case of miracles, then we are informed in the passage. But science explains only the physical and natural world and it often fails miserably at that.

I think among many Christians the Age of the Earth could not be more of a non-issue. For others there is a huge division of those who passionately defend an Old Earth vs. those who support a young earth. On face value, it would seem not that relevant. But I firmly believe upon further examination of the Scriptures there are not options open to us who are commanded to “contend for the faith once and for all delivered to the saints”. I also believe that if the age of the earth question were rephrased to ask “Does God expect man to be able to tell time?” and we can Biblically support the answer to this question, there then would remain no longer any doubt about man’s response to the question and question would no longer be open to private interpretation. I further maintain, that if the Bible is absolutely clear on this subject, it does not matter what science says. And my defense below does not depend on science, though it does answer some of the questions that science raises.

But there are some very important Scriptures which are left out in these formulas for explaining the age of the earth. Both Old Earth and Young Earth scientific models are flawed in this respect. They leave out the invisible. Hugh Ross?s Universe–an old earth advocate, is solely governed by Physical laws. But the Bible has both physical (visible) and invisible laws and governing principalities. It is not even a matter of natural vs. supernatural, as even the natural world and universe is governed by the invisible. Here are the Scriptures that must be addressed:

Romans 1:20, “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse?

This Scripture is amazing in two respects. First it has man seeing and understanding from the beginning of Creation. So there is no billions or even millions of years that the earth was here before man appears. He is here from the beginning. But this passage is significant in a second respect that “invisible” qualities are used to govern the Universe, but they are qualities that continued PAST Creation week to this day.

Col 1:16, “For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and INVISIBLE, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.”

Once again the main principle of the Universe here is NOT visible. Christ the Invisible God holds everything together not Newton or Einstein’s Laws or anyone else who ever lived.

Hebrews 11:3, “By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen (the physical universe of earth, sun, moon, and stars) is NOT MADE OUT OF WHAT WAS VISIBLE.” It was made of what is INVISIBLE.

Here is where the natural laws and that which is visible as the only explanation of what has been observed completely collapse. Men such as Hugh Ross and Big Bang supports have almost everything made come from visible materials and debris left over in this imaginary explosion. Both Old Earth and even Young Earth Scientists even as Christians often give us E=MC2 Theory of Relativity. But in this theory along with the Big Bang Theory where is the invisible spoken of in the above Scriptures? The answer is NOWHERE. I don’t know what percentage if any is attributable to the physical laws vs. the invisible laws. It might be 40%, it might be 99.9% invisible. It might be even be 100% invisible and the natural laws are only pale distorted images like Paul describes (“we see through a glass dimly”). Plus what is seen in the physical laws today has been subject to the curse from the Fall of Adam and the Second Law of Thermodynamics. And if as the Scripture reveal the “heavens wear out like a garment”, what we see today may not even be recognizable. Though I should point out, if man is still without excuse according to Romans 1:21, according to what is still seen visibly, these distortions would have to have limits. For we are still without excuse even with these distortions. If Christ alone is holding the electron together from flying apart at the seams, no physical law known or unknown to man is going to hold it together. And if God says in the beginning “Let there be light” no physical law is going to bind him from bringing starlight to the earth instantly, because it is Christ himself using his invisible attributes and laws that we do not know who is bringing that light instantly to the earth. Those stars do not exist because they obey some natural law, but because God spoke them into existence instantly, named them by name and said (through the Apostle Paul) they differ from one another in glory.

So this brings the next set of Scriptures which defend that God not only moved things great distances in the twinkling of an eye during Creation week, but he itemizes how he did it throughout Biblical history (this Present Age) and will do as he prophesied in the Age to Come.

Below I would like to add a list where he performs works over great distances being covered instantly from Heaven to earth, earth to Heaven, and different places on earth as fast as if not even bound by the speed of light:

1. Satan’s Fall like lightning from Heaven
2. Satan travels to and from the earth seeking whom he may devour at least at the speed of light and according to the Book of Job was able to approach God’s throne in a dialog with God)
3. Elijah’s Chariot (He went to heaven and even came back from the 3rd Heaven at Mount Transfiguration, just like Paul did and we will do at the Rapture). To do this, they all have to go even farther than the ends of the first and Second Heavens)
4. Enoch’ Translation
5. Elijah’s sacrifice consumed into Heaven
6. Sending dreams from Heaven to Joseph and Daniel
7. Theophanies of Christ (such as appearing to Abraham, Shadrack, Meshack and Abednego in the fiery furnace)
8. Sending Manna and quail from Heaven
9. Paul visiting Third Heaven and returning to earth
10. Jesus descending into the lower parts of the earth
11. Jesus Resurrection
12. Jesus instant appearance in the upper room
13. Jesus going back to Heaven and returning before Ascension
14. Philip being instantly transported in the spirit to another geographic location
15. Christ’s Return to the Mount of Olives (If it takes as long as the speed of light for Jesus to get to Heaven and back, we can’t expect to see his return for millions of years, plus we would see him returning, but the Bible says no man knows the day or the hour (we would be able to chart his return from the Heavens…it would be hard to miss Him if he is brighter than the sun). And Paul and Elijah could not have returned to the earth again. We would still be waiting for their first return.)
16. Angels ascending and descending from Jacob’s ladder
17. Star of Bethlehem (a normal star could not go west to east, then cut south for several miles. Now here is a case where God brought the whole star from the ends of Heaven…not just its light.)
18. “Suddenly a heavenly host appear at the birth of Jesus….then disappear”
19. Every prayer that every saint has ever prayed
20. The Rapture
21. Arrival of New Jerusalem

Note that the above examples of the Bible recording that God moved things great distances in the twinkling of an eye are not confined to God’s initial creation but how he continued to do these things throughout Biblical history and promises to do at the end of the Present Age and will do in the Age to Come. It is amazing to me that the same Christian will passionately defend an old earth in that it took the starlight billions of light years to get here, while at the same time defend the Rapture where in a twinkling of an eye we will instantly arrive at the Third Heaven with Jesus which is even further than any star in the known and unknown Second Heaven. Isn’t this is a classic case of straining at a gnat but willingly swallowing a camel?

Now this brings me to the most famous Scripture used by Christians who defend an old earth and the ultimate question does God intend for man to know what a day is and does he expect him to be able to keep time.

Here is the Scripture:

II Peter 3:8, “But beloved (talking to Christians), be not ignorant (sounds a lot like God wants us to know), that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as one day.”

The first thing that one should see here is that WHO is Peter talking about when he says what a day is? The Lord, of course. Secondly that it does not say a day “is” a thousand years. But even if you try to insert this length of day into the Genesis account of Creation for old earth (Day Age) proponents such as Hugh Ross (or Christians who are Evolutionists, for that matter), it doesn’t help them. If a thousand years equals a day, then Creation Week is only Six Thousand Years. Even six thousand years is a drop in the bucket to old earth “Big Bang” proponents, which demand billions of years. You could only add the six thousand years from Adam to today plus the six thousand years of Creation week and you only get 12-13 thousand years…hardly enough. But let us examine this Scripture even more. It is certainly clear that this passage is saying that time, whether days or years is created by God. But God is not bound by time, particularly if he knows the future. But the question remains is man bound by time? Does the age of the earth or duration of a day or year make any different to man in God’s eyes? Well let us try to substitute the word “man” for the word “Lord” in this Scripture, for that is what you would have to do in order to make any case for the old earth model.

II Peter 3:8, “But beloved (talking to Christians), be not ignorant (sounds a lot like God wants us to know), that one day is with man as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as one day.” This becomes absurd.

Now allow me to show you what man, who can now make a day mean anything he wants…any length of time, can do with certain Scriptures and commands.

The Sabbath Day. Jesus said that the Sabbath was meant for man. Actually, he made the other six days for man also. The only difference is that he worked on those six and rested on the seventh day. If this Sabbath day could be an indeterminate length, how could man (Adam) know its beginning or end in order to rest? How would Adam ever know when the first day of the next week began? Doesn’t the length of the 7th day (Sabbath) determine the length of the other days (1-6)? How would Adam know when the first day would begin again to repeat the cycle? If the Sabbath Day is made for man and he does not know its length, then how would he know when the Sabbath Year begins in order to leave the ground fallow when the Law of Moses was given? So critical was this in God’s mind, that in disobeying the Sabbath Year for 70 Sabbaths, God collected them anyway (to restore the land), by sending the Israelites into captivity for 490 years (70 times 7). (Good thing for the Israelites that a day was not a million years or they w ould be in captivity for 490 million years.) How could God be so cruel? Unless he had reason to expect that they were responsible for knowing when a year was up and when six years had expired to leave the ground fallow for the seventh year? Or in other words be able to tell time. Furthermore, how could they know when 49 years was up to celebrate the 50th year (Year of the Jubilee) to set debtors free? God created the sun and moon to govern the seasons (each season is 3 months) and years Genesis 1:14 and reconfirmed in Genesis 8:21-23 “As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.? Day and night…that’s 24 hours for days and that is four seasons!! (Some have argued that there were no seasons with the earth tilted until the Flood. But here we clearly see Seasons in the beginning from Genesis on.) So his people could not miss when a year was up!

Hugh Ross in his Old earth Theology tries to maintain that the days in Genesis were not literal 24 hour days, yet God defines a day (“yom”) in this very first Chapter of Genesis 1:14-19. So a day is day even here. And if a day is not a day, then what is a year? What is a season if it is not three months? How could Noah record such a precise journal of how many days it rained, how many days the earth was deluged during the Flood if he had no idea what a day was in terms of duration? If Noah recorded it God wants us to know it. Joshua was given precise instructions in terms of days to march around the city of Jericho, etc., by God which he had to obey before God would destroy the city. Now, if a day could mean anything and Joshua could not tell time, it would make obedience impossible. Finally, when Jesus cursed the fig tree upon his entry triumphant entry into Jerusalem, Jesus condemned them because “they did NOT know this very day of his visitation.” I take this to mean not just day in general, but literal da y, because the Prophet Daniel prophesied the exact number of years and days from the Decree to rebuild Jerusalem. Once, again if a day can mean virtually any length of time, God was again quite cruel to then blind all of Israel for their failure to recognize Him and the day of his visitation. In other words he held them accountable for knowing the length of a day and the numbers of days to his visitation.

So clearly, the Sabbath Day was sundown to sundown (after the 4th day of creation), or 24 hrs. prior to the sun’s creation. If one of the seven days is 24 hours, then all of the seven are 24 hours. If they weren’t, the cycle of a week would be totally destroyed. The cycle of a year would be destroyed. The cycle of seven year sabbath would be destroyed. The Jubilee cycle would be destroyed. Noah was on the ark for 300 million years. How was Noah then so able to even keep track of every day, month, and year and record them so precisely? Miriam was put outside the camp for leprosy for 7 million years? Jonah is in the whale (the great fish) for 3 million years? Christ is in the grave for 3 million years and would still be there today, according to this logic. Jesus Christ prophesied of himself that he would be in the grave three days. He gives us this in Scripture and we are not supposed to count?

So God tells the Israelites as one of the Ten Commandments to “Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy”….requiring them to keep it but then not clue them in what a day is and how long it is? How would they know how to keep this day “holy” as compared to the other six days if they weren’t expected to be able to tell time to set this time aside? If the Seventh Day, as Hugh Ross maintains is perpetual with no break, how could you even have ANY days that were NOT holy from Day Six in Creation until today and beyond?

Now there is one Scripture that I have never heard used to defend that a day really is a day and that the earth is really young. And that is Zechariah 14:6-7:

“On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. It will be a UNIQUE DAY, without daytime or nighttime-a day known only to the Lord. When evening comes, there will be light.”

This is one of the most powerful Scriptures in the entire Bible which actually defines not only what a day is but what all days must do. All must mean all. Note that we have to be talking about a real 24 hour day, because it describes what takes place when sunset arrives which is the beginning of an evening. Now when evening comes it is always dark always has been. But here we have an evening come when it is light. This is not only not normal for what happens in the evening. This passage says that it never happened. And this passage is talking about the Lord’s return so it encompasses ALL time where when evening comes it would be dark, EXCEPT on this UNIQUE Day. The only way this could be unique is if there were NO other days ever that when evening came it would be light. So this would have to include the first six days of Creation Week (and the Seventh for that matter too). Otherwise, we would have at least six more unique days when evening came it would be light. But even Genesis itself records that the eve ning part of the day was dark. (Joshua extended a day for 12 hours, but when evening came it was still dark, so this is not an exception to the rule of Zechariah’s Scripture). This is astounding, because it leaves NO days throughout history from the beginning of Creation that were not days as we know them. This puts a absolute lock on young earth creation, based on Scripture, therefore, refuting old earth theology and cosmology.

Hugh Ross and many old earth proponents argue that it would be deceptive of God to give us the impression of apparent age of the star based on the speed of light. But God has created much more complex things in very short period and in most cases in the twinkling of an eye or no longer than one day. The resulting creation having apparent age. How old will our glorified bodies look? However long they look does not really matter because any age they appear still means they were only a twinkling of an eye old.

Examples of God creating things instantly or in a matter of months:

1. Plants, Animals, Adam and Eve created fully formed the same day, All Life, Speech, Global Flood, Enoch’s translation, Brazen Serpent (healing reverses decay rate),
2. Clothes and sandals of Israelites in the Wilderness NOT wearing out for 40 years, (total suspension of decay rate),
3. Joshua’s Battle where sun stops for 12 hours, (suspends time and decay rate for entire solar system),
4. Elijah’s chariot into Heaven.
5. All of the Miracles including healings and deliverance of demons:
6. Red Sea parting,
7. Other Egyptian plagues,
8. Water to wine (accelerates decay rate), casting out demons, woman’s 12 years of bleeding stopped and her menstrual cycle restored
9. Raising the dead (reverses decay rate)
10. The Transfiguration
11. The Resurrection (demolishes decay rate)
12. Philip being Transported in the spirit
13. New Creation (being born again)
14. Glorification (at the Rapture) (demolishes decay rate)
15. New Heaven and Earth (demolishes decay rate)

So because these were all done instantaneously or very rapidly, God is deceiving us because of the apparent age they often portray? There is NO deception if God told us what he did!

As to whether or not God expects us to tell time from the beginning, he gives us the genealogy of Christ four times in the Bible. If God did not give these and expect us to be able to tell time, there would be no way of determining your inheritance, something so critical to the all of the tribes and clans of Israel. How would you properly identify the Messiah without keeping track, in time, of his lineage?

I would now like to address a few points in on this subject of “time”, though I have also addressed it above. Christians who have trouble with a global flood cannot then accept the clear account in Genesis that God flooded the whole world with water when he created it, before he brought dry land out of the water?

If one postulates that you assume God works through the Laws of Nature that he created. I agree that he often does that. But we still don’t know all of the laws of nature he created. Secondly, based on what I presented about the “invisible” laws, we have no idea what impact or limitation God himself has imposed on the natural laws. But once again, based on all of the Biblical examples above, he preempts them at will. We know for certain God breaks the natural laws we can observe. That is how we know it is a miracle. But what about his laws we can NOT observe? There is a whole lot going on in the unseen world that we have no idea what is going on.

Again if one postulates that we have to assume that God works by his own created natural laws unless there is some compelling reason for it be otherwise. I hope my arguments from Scripture about “Invisible” are compelling. Many people (including Christians) will say something like: “When someone asks me the age of the universe, I simply shrug and say “it depends”. I think it is actually the most correct answer.”

Comment: If I could humbly disagree. Reason, God tells us, then tell us what to do during this age (once again my above arguments). If one is forced to use the words “it depends”, then my answer would be it depends on if you are man or the Lord. And it depends on where you are (on earth, or in heaven). If I were God, I would then ask back similarly to his dialogue with Job. “Where are you?’ Answer: “On the earth or in heaven”. God’s second question: “Who are you, the Lord or Man?” Answer: “Man.”

So does God want us to keep time? Absolutely and unequivocally YES! And if he does he expects us to know the age of the earth (at least upper limits).

Regarding canopy. I should underscore that it definitely rained and that it did not rain until there was a canopy created by the fountains of the deep filling up the sky. And God certainly could have created rain without dust. But we know there would be dust if “all” of the volcanoes blew into the Sky. Mt. St. Helens should put that to rest. The water condensing on the dust gives it the gravity to fall to the ground. This still keeps it as a judgment Remember, that there was enough water to cover the earth in Genesis Chapter I AFTER God has placed the waters above the sky (space). And even if you support the canopy, even the most generous limits of a canopy by young earth Christian geologist models adds only several feet more water to the surface…which is virtually nothing. I know that the canopy creates a good model for the barrier needed. But that is also assuming that we know with absolute certainty that there even was a need for a pre-Flood barrier to do what? Produced long lifespans? I have seen variou s charts of the drop off in longevity since Adam. But the fact is you can’t find a convenient place to put the Flood. The downward slopes, though somewhat jagged, are quite uniform right up through Moses when it really tapers off. I continually hear about this 120 years lifespan after the Flood. But you can’t find one person in the Bible who lived to be exactly 120 years.. the closest you get is Joseph who lived 110 years. But Joseph lived almost 700 years after the Flood. The only true Biblical support for a deterioration of lifespans is really the effects of the original curse and Fall of Adam. Scripture “I will no longer tarry with man and his days shall be 120 years is prophecy of the number of years until the Flood. (Though I certain personally think that the Flood had some impact on longevity). Then there is another problem with this supposed rosy quasi-Paradise pre-Flood.

That is Genesis 5:29 which Lamech, in referring to Noah states:

“He will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the Lord has cursed.”

It does not sound to me like there was much of a paradise on earth going on here up to the Flood. In fact, it is implied that the ground would be better after the Flood. Perhaps the effects of the Flood. We certain would agree with Lamech today for those of us who drive cars and heat our homes with the fuel that would only be available to us if there were a global deluge which buried all of the vegetation deep underground to create oil, gas, and coal. Who knows…you may have even put a little “Harry”…a Flood victim into your last tank of gas.

In conclusion, I find inconceivable that God would give us such a precise blueprint of time in mornings, days, evenings, seasons, years, Sabbaths, genealogies, and a host of prophecies contain days, weeks and years, with specific, even cataclysmic dire consequences (curses for disobedience) tied to these various time frames, and likewise blessings to those who were obedient, then conclude that God did not intend for man to tell or keep time, right back to the beginning of the earth and the universe. So I do not think we can answer the question “How old is the earth” with “It depends”. Jesus himself on the Road to Emmaus thought it was important enough to tell these disciples everything about who he was from the beginning of Creation. I can not imagine that he would do this if he did not think it was important to have them have a reference point in time of who He is. God gave the whole future history of Israel in the Prophets and the whole future history of the World to his prophets. Jesus saves some of his gr eatest warning about being deceived in the end times, as does the Apostles Paul, Peter, and John. This would be unimaginable if time and the fullness of time did not have to be reckoned by mankind. How could we ever discern the fullness of time if we could not keep time and be expected to keep time so that it does not come upon us unaware. Paul said to the Thessalonians concerning the return of Christ that “of the times and seasons you have no need for me to tell you”. He did not say this because they did not need to know, but because had already told them. The Antichrist is referred to as one who will try to “change the times and the laws” Daniel 7:25. How could we identify him if we do not know what time or laws are so that we could recognized when he changed them.? So it was important that they knew. We are also called to gather together that much more often as we see the day of our redemption draw near. How could we know to do that if we have no reliable mechanism of time in order to obey that command? Ho w old the earth is directly connected with how old the earth will be when he returns. We will not know the day or the hour, but we will know when it is even at the door because we remained vigilant and forewarned and prepared for this very time. When he comes is dependent on when he came and when he descended from Adam.

Regarding physical or natural laws (visible vs. invisible), I think there is also an important distinction between man’s laws, which are visible vs. God’s law of the natural order given by Divine Revelation. Example both gravity and entropy are physical and observable laws. But gravity is a law based on man’s observation. Entropy, on the other hand is a physical law too, but it was given by God’s revelation in the Scriptures such as the “heavens wear out like a garment” and physical death. This does not mean that an observable law of man is not true, as it is pretty hard to argue against gravity. Also both gravity and entropy were not always here but were introduced and are temporary. Death was not originally natural, but introduced because of the Fall. And death won’t be here in the New Heavens and Earth, or for that matter, neither will the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Death will be the last enemy thrown into the Lake of Fire. Our glorified bodies will certainly not be bound by gravity. Newton and Einstein ‘s equations are man made, so are not the final authority. We always talk about the known universe having to obey the three laws of thermodynamics and that they must follow uniformitarian principles. But we must be very careful here because the 2nd Law (entropy) is also a God given law. But it is temporary. Furthermore, if life must come from life, there could never be a beginning in the natural, according to the Law of Biogenesis, because you would have to go backwards to infinity since you could never get life without parents that had life. But from a Biblical view life never began without God breathing it into what he had formed….it would NEVER live. But God was not life in the natural sense (biogenetically), as he is INVISIBLE…that is until he came as the Messiah (excluding Old Testament Theophanies). Though once life was here, I certainly would agree with this law.

In conclusion, I think the best statement that can be made whether God expects man to be able to tell time is in Jesus Christ’s own words:

“When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. And in the morning, It will be foul weather today: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?” (Matthew 16:2-3)

Written by: James Sundquist
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Does God Expect Man to be Able to Tell Time?

THE AGE OF THE EARTH & THE FUTURE OF THE EARTH

by James Sundquist (c)2000-2002 Rock Salt Publishing

I think among many Christians the Age of the Earth could not be more of a non-issue. For others there is a huge division of those who passionately defend an Old Earth vs. those who support a young earth. On face value, it would seem not that relevant. But I firmly believe upon further examination of the Scriptures there are not options open to us who are commanded to “contend for the faith once and for all delivered to the saints” (Jude: 3). I also believe that if the age of the earth question were rephrased to ask “Does God expect man to be able to tell time?” and we can Biblically support the answer to this question, there then would remain no longer any doubt about man’s response to the question and the question of the age of the earth would no longer be open to private interpretation. I further maintain, that if the Bible is absolutely clear on this subject, it does not matter what science says. And my defense below does not depend on science, though it does answer some of the questions that science raises.

I think that one of the biggest arguments used by both Evolutionist and old earth Biblical Creationists which causes confusion in Christians, and buckles the knees of even many young earth Biblical Creationists, is the distance of the stars question. If the stars are so far away, then how could the earth be young? This is a very good question. Even many young earth Creationists, including astronomers, physicists, and geologists have varying and intriguing models to defend a young earth. But these models are, in great part, very dependent on science alone. And I believe that the Bible does not contradict science (when, in fact, the science is truth), or if it does, as in the case of miracles, then we are informed in the passage. But science explains only the physical and natural world and it often fails miserably at that.

But there are some very important Scriptures which are left out in these formulas for explaining the age of the earth. Both Old Earth and Young Earth scientific models are flawed in this respect. They leave out the invisible. Hugh Ross’s Universe (an old earth advocate) is solely governed by Physical laws. But the Bible has both physical (visible) and invisible laws and governing principalities. It is not even a matter of natural vs. supernatural, as even the natural world and universe is governed by the invisible. Here are the Scriptures that must be addressed:

Romans 1:20: “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.”

This Scripture is amazing in two respects. First, it has man seeing and understanding from the beginning of Creation. So there is no billions or even millions of years that the earth was here before man appears. He is here from the beginning. But this passage is significant in a second respect that “invisible” qualities are used to govern the Universe, but they are qualities that continued PAST Creation week to this day.

Colossians 1:16: “For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and INVISIBLE, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.”

Once again the main principle of the Universe here is NOT visible. Christ the Invisible God holds everything together, not Newton’s or Einstein’s Laws or anyone else’s laws who ever lived.

Hebrews 11:3: “By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen (the physical universe of earth, sun, moon, and stars) is NOT MADE OUT OF WHAT WAS VISIBLE.” It was made of what is INVISIBLE.

Here is where the natural laws and that which is visible, as the only explanation of what has been observed, completely collapse. Men such Hugh Ross and Big Bang supporters have almost everything made proceed forth from visible materials and debris left over in this imaginary explosion. Both Old Earth and even Young Earth Scientists, even Christians, often give us E=MC2 (Energy = Mass times the square of the Speed of Light) Theory of Relativity. The Big Bang Theory of the Age of the Earth tells us that the earth is 4.6 billion years old. But in order to come up with that figure, they would have to be able to measure the Universe. Dr. Hugh Ross confirmed that the Universe can be measured. In an interview he states: “Now that astronomers have measured the universe, we have means for measuring the Creator.” How can any Christian claim to be able measure the Universe, let alone measure the Creator, God, who is INFINITE? For Job and the Prophets Jeremiah and Isaiah soundly refute this speculation:

Job declares in the Chapter 38:5 “Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?” Verses:18-20: “Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all. Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof, That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?” And verse 33: “Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?”

Jeremiah 31:37: “Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.”

The Prophet Isaiah further demolishes Hugh Ross’ conjecture that the Universe can be measured:

Isaiah 40:12: “Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?”

The supreme irony is that Dr. Hugh Ross claimed in his debate with Dr. Kent Hovind on the Age of the Earth on the John Ankerberg Show that these very Prophets back up his claims. The truth is that NO man can measure the Universe. That does not mean it is infinite, as God can measure it. God, alone, is infinite. His Creation is finite.

In the Theory of Relativity, along with the Big Bang Theory, where is the invisible spoken of in the above Scriptures? The answer is NOWHERE. I don’t know what percentage, if any, is attributable to the physical laws vs. the invisible laws. It might be 40%, it might be 99.9% invisible. It might be even be 100% invisible and the natural laws are only pale distorted images like Paul describes (“we see through a glass dimly”). Plus, what is seen in the physical laws today has been subject to the curse from the Fall of Adam and the Second Law of Thermodynamics. And, if as the Scripture reveals the “heavens wear out like a garment” (Psalm 102:26), what we see today may not even be recognizable. Though I should point out, if man is still without excuse according to Romans 1:21, according to what is still seen visibly, these distortions would have to have limits.

Romans 1:21: “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.”

For, we are still without excuse, even with these distortions. If Christ alone is holding the electron together from flying apart at the seams, no physical law known or unknown to man is going to hold it together. And if God says in the beginning “Let there be light” no physical law is going to bind him from bringing starlight to the earth instantly, because it is Christ himself, using his invisible attributes and laws that we do not know, who is bringing that light instantly to the earth. Those stars do not exist because they obey some natural law, but because God spoke them into existence instantly, named each one by name. The stars may be innumerable to man in that he can’t count them all, but that does not mean there are an infinite number of stars. To God there is a FINITE number of stars.

Psalm 147:4: “He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.”

The Apostle Paul ampliflies on the fact of God creating a finite number of stars by stating that the stars differ from one another in glory.

I Corinthians 15:41: “There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.”

Psalm 102:25-26. “Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens [are] the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:”

A garment is finite. It has dimensions. Ask any tailor. If a garment were infinite (the heavens) they would never wear out!

The Universe can’t be infinite, only God is infinite, his creation is finite. He does not create a clone trait of his Omnipresent nature. If it were infinite it would impossible for the anything to come and go from the Third Heaven, since an object would have to traverse infinity to get to the earth. The Apostle Paul and Elijah would still be on their way to the Third Heaven and could never return. But the Bible clearly reveals that they did come back!

Here are two more Scriptures which prove that the heavens are finite:

I Kings 8:27 “Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You”.

This makes his presence greater than the vessel, the vessel must have boundaries and capacity.

Ephesians 4:10. “He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.”

Jesus Christ ascended to fill the Universe. If the Universe were infinite, it could never be filled. QED

So, this brings the next set of Scriptures which defend that God not only moved things great distances in the twinkling of an eye during Creation week, but he itemizes how he did it throughout Biblical history (this Present Age) and will do as he prophesied in the Age to Come.

Below I would like to add a list where god performs works over great distances, being covered instantly from Heaven to earth, earth to Heaven, and different places on earth as fast or even faster than the speed of light, unbound by the speed of light:

SATAN’S FALL LIKE LIGHTNING FROM HEAVEN

Luke 10:18: “And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”

ENOCH’S TRANSLATION

Genesis 5:24: “And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.”

SATAN TRAVELS TO AND FROM THE EARTH SEEKING WHOM HE MAY DEVOUR, at least at the speed of light, and according to the Book of Job was able to approach God’s throne in a dialog with God.

Job 1:7 “And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.”

SENDING MANNA AND QUAIL FROM HEAVEN

Exodus 16:31 “And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.”

Exodus 16:13 “And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host.”

Job 2:2: “And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.”

ANGELS ASCENDING AND DESCENDING ON JACOB’S LADDER

Genesis 28:12: “And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.”

ELIJAH’S SACRIFICE CONSUMED INTO HEAVEN

2 Kings 1:10: “And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.”

ELIJAH’S CHARIOT (He went to heaven and even came back from the 3rd Heaven at Mount Transfiguration, just like Paul did and we will do at the Rapture. To do this, they all have to go even farther than the ends of the first and Second Heavens.)

2 Kings 2:11: “And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.”

AXEHEAD FLOATS (this completely capsizes Newton’s Law of Gravity)

II Kings 6:6: “And he cut down a stick, and cast [it] in thither; and the iron did swim. “

SENDING DREAMS FROM HEAVEN TO JOSEPH AND DANIEL

Genesis 37:5: “And Joseph dreamed a dream, and he told it his brethren: and they hated him yet the more.”

and Daniel records:

Daniel 2:19: “Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.”

THEOPHANIES OF CHRIST

(such as appearing to Abraham, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in the fiery furnace):

Genesis 19:27 “And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD:”

Daniel 3:25: “He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.”

STAR OF BETHLEHEM

(A normal star could not go west to east, then cut south for several miles. Now here is a case where God brought the whole star from the ends of Heaven…not just its light.) “Suddenly a heavenly host appear at the birth of Jesus….then disappear”

Matthew 2:2: “Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.”

Luke 2:13-15: “And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.”

JESUS DESCENDING INTO THE LOWER PARTS OF THE EARTH

Ephesians 4:9: “Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?”

CHRIST’S RESURRECTION

Mark 9:31: “For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.”

Mark 10:34: “And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.”

Luke 9:22: “Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.”

Luke 24:7: “Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.”

JESUS MAKES INSTANT APPEARANCE AFTER HIS RESURRECTION

John 20:19: “Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.”

PHILIP BEING INSTANTLY TRANSPORTED IN THE SPIRIT TO ANOTHER GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION

Acts 8:39 : “And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”

Acts 8:40 : “But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.”

PAUL VISITING THE THIRD HEAVEN AND RETURNING TO THE EARTH

2 Corinthians 12:2: “I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.”

CHRIST’S RETURN TO THE MOUNT OF OLIVES

(If it takes as long as the speed of light for Jesus to get to Heaven and back, we can’t expect to see his return for millions of years, plus we would see him returning as we would see Haley’s Comet approach the earth, but the Bible says no man knows the day or the hour; we would be able to chart his return from the Heavens…it would be hard to miss Him if he is brighter than the sun. And Paul and Elijah could not have returned to the earth again. We would still be waiting for their first return.)

Zechariah 14:4: (& Revelation Chapter 19: 11-16) “And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.”

Acts 1:11: “Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”

EVERY PRAYER THAT EVERY SAINT HAVE EVER PRAYED ARRIVING INSTANTLY IN HEAVEN

THE RAPTURE

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17: “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

ARRIVE OF THE NEW JERUSALEM (Revelation Chapter 21)

Note that the above examples of the Bible recording that God moved things great distances in the twinkling of an eye, are not confined to God’s initial creation, but how he continued to do these things throughout Biblical history and promises to do at the end of the Present Age, and will do in the Age to Come. It is amazing to me that the same Christian will passionately defend an old earth, in that it took the starlight billions of light years to get here, while at the same time defend the Rapture, where in a twinkling of an eye we will instantly arrive at the Third Heaven with Jesus, which is even further than any star in the known and unknown Second Heaven. Isn’t this is a classic case of straining at a gnat but willingly swallowing a camel?

Now this brings me to the two most famous Scripture used by Christians who defend an old earth, and therefore begs the ultimate question: does God intend for man to know what a day is and does he expect him to be able to keep time?

Here are the two Scriptures:

II Peter 3:8: “But beloved (talking to Christians), be not ignorant (sounds a lot like God wants us to know), that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as one day.”

and

Psalms 90:4: “For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.”

The first thing that one should see here is WHO is Peter talking about? The Lord, of course. Secondly that it does not say a day “is” a thousand years. But even if you try to insert this length of day into the Genesis account of Creation for old earth (Day Age) proponents such as Hugh Ross (or Christians who are Evolutionists, for that matter), it doesn’t help them. If a thousand years equals a day, then Creation Week is only Six Thousand Years. Even six thousand years is a drop in the bucket to old earth “Big Bang” proponents, which demand billions of years. You could only add the six thousand years from Adam to today plus the six thousand years of Creation week and you only get 12-13 thousand years….hardly enough. But let us examine this Scripture even more. It is certainly clear that this passage is saying that time, whether days or years, is created by God. But, God is not bound by time, particularly if he knows the future. But, the question remains, is man bound by time? Does the age of the earth or duration of a day or year make any difference to man in God’s eyes? Well let us try to substitute the word “man” for the word “Lord” in this Scripture, for that is what you would have to do in order to make any case for the old earth model:

II Peter 3:8 “But beloved (talking to Christians), be not ignorant (sounds a lot like God wants us to know), that one day is with man as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as one day.” Of course, this rendering is absurd.

Psalms 90:4 would, likewise, have to be rendered: “For a thousand years in man’s sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.” This, of course is an equally untenable meaning of a thousand years, as both Scriptures must refer to God’s perspective of time, NOT man’s. And even then the passages don’t mean that one day IS a thousand years to the Lord, but simply that God is not bound by time….man is!

Now allow me to show you what man, who can now make a day mean anything he wants…any length of time, can do with certain Scriptures and commands.

THE SABBATH DAY

Jesus said that the Sabbath was meant for man. Actually, he made the other six days for man also. The only difference is that he worked on those six and rested on the seventh day. If this Sabbath day could be an indeterminate length, how could man (Adam) know its beginning or end in order to rest? How would Adam ever know when the first day of the week began again. Doesn’t the length of the 7th day (Sabbath) determine the length of the other days (1-6)? How would Adam know when the first day would begin again to repeat the cycle? If the Sabbath Day is made for man and he does not know its length, then how would he know when the Sabbath Year begins in order to leave the ground fallow when the Law of Moses was given? So critical was this in God’s mind, that in disobeying the Sabbath Year for 70 Sabbaths, God collected them anyway (to restore the land), by sending the Israelites into captivity for 490 years (70 times 7). (Good thing for the Israelites that a day was not a million years or they would be in captivity for 490 million years.) How could God be so cruel? Unless he had reason to expect that they were responsible for knowing when a year was up and when six years had expired, to leave the ground fallow for the seventh year? Or, in other words, be able to tell time. Furthermore, how could they know when 49 years was up to celebrate the 50th year (Year of the Jubilee) to set debtors free? God created the sun and moon to govern the seasons (each season is 3 months) and years: Genesis 1:14 and reconfirmed in

Genesis 8:21-23: “As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.”

Day and night…that’s 24 hours for days and that is four seasons!! (Some have argued that there were no seasons if the earth were untilted until the Flood. But here we clearly see Seasons in the beginning from Genesis on.) So his people could not miss when a year was up!

Hugh Ross in his Old Earth Theology tries to maintain that the days in Genesis were not literal 24 hour days, yet God defines a day (“yom”) in this very first Chapter of Genesis 1:14-19. So, a day is day, even here. And, if a day is not a day, then what is a year? What is a season, if it is not three months?

Exodus 12:40-41 reads: “Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years. And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day (NIV: to the very day) it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt.” Now doesn’t “to the very day” mean “to the very day”. The text does NOT say about four hundred and thirty years”. So, does God expect his people to keep time precisely? The answer is unequivocally and absolutely YES.

How could Noah record such a precise journal of how many days it rained, how many days the earth was deluged during the Flood, if he had no idea what a day was, in terms of duration? Noah even recorded the number of days he was floating on the waters high above the earth. If Noah recorded it, God wants us to know it. Joshua was given precise instructions in terms of days, to march around the city of Jericho, etc., by God, which he had to obey before God would destroy the city. Now, if a day could mean anything and Joshua could not tell time, it would make obedience impossible. Finally, when Jesus cursed the fig tree upon his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, Jesus condemned them because “they did NOT know this very day of his visitation.”

Luke 19:42,44: “Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day (NIV: “on this day”), the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.” “And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.”

I take this to mean not just day in general, but literal day, because the Prophet Daniel prophesied the exact number of years and days from the Decree to rebuild Jerusalem.

Daniel 9:25: “Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.”

Once, as in Exodus 12:40-41, we see one of the most important events and prophecies being fulfilled TO THE VERY DAY. But again, if a day can mean virtually any length of time, God was again quite cruel, to then blind all of Israel for their failure to recognize Him and the day of his visitation. In other words, he held them accountable for knowing the length of a day and the numbers of days to his visitation.

So clearly, the Sabbath Day was sundown to sundown (after the 4th day of creation), or 24 hr. prior to the sun’s creation. If one of the seven days is 24 hours, then all of the seven are 24 hours. If they weren’t, the cycle of a week would be totally destroyed. The cycle of a year would be destroyed. The cycle of seven year Sabbath would be destroyed. The Jubilee cycle would be destroyed. Noah was on the ark for 300 million years. How was Noah then so able to even keep track of every day, month, and year and record them so precisely? Miriam was put outside the camp for leprosy for 7 million years? Jonah is in the whale (the great fish) for 3 million years? Christ is in the grave for 3 million years and would still be there today, according to this logic. Jesus Christ prophesied of himself that he would be in the grave three days. He gives us this in Scripture and we are not supposed to count?

So, God tells the Israelites, as one of the Ten Commandments to “Remember the Sabbath and keep it, holy”….requiring them to keep it but then not clue them in what a day is and how long it is? How would they know how to keep this day “holy”, as compared to the other six days, if they weren’t expected to be able to tell time to set this time aside? If the Seventh Day, as Hugh Ross maintains, is perpetual, with no break, how could you even have ANY days that were NOT holy, from Day Six in Creation, until today and beyond?

Now, there is one Scripture that I have never heard used to defend that a day really is a day and that the earth is really young. And that is:

Zechariah 14:6-7: “On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. It will be a UNIQUE DAY, without daytime or nighttime — a day known only to the Lord. When evening comes, there will be light.”

This is one of the most powerful Scriptures in the entire Bible, which actually defines not only what a day is, but what all days must do. All must mean all. Note that we have to be talking about a real 24 hour day, because it describes what takes place when sunset arrives, which is the beginning of an evening. Now, when evening comes it is always dark (for the whole earth, though not always observed in Alaska) always has been. But, here we have an evening come, when it is light. This is not normal for what happens in the evening. This Scriptural passage says that, except for one unique day, light at night has never happened. And this passage is talking about the Lord’s return, so it encompasses ALL time, where, when evening comes, it would be dark, EXCEPT on this UNIQUE Day. The only way this could be unique is if there were NO other days, ever, that when evening came, it would be light. So, this would have to include the first six days of Creation Week (and the Seventh for that matter too). Otherwise, we would have at least six more unique days, when evening came, it would be light. But, even Genesis itself records that the evening part of the day was dark. (Joshua extended a day for 12 hours, but when evening came it was still dark, so this is not an exception to the rule of Zechariah’s Scripture.) This is astounding, because it leaves NO days throughout history, from the beginning of Creation, that were not days as we know them. This puts an absolute lock on young earth creation, based on Scripture, therefore, refuting old earth theology and cosmology.

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Hugh Ross and many old earth proponents argue that it would be deceptive of God to give us the impression of apparent age of the star, based on the speed of light. But God has created much more complex things in a very short period and in most cases in the twinkling of an eye, or no longer than one day. This all may result in God’s Creation having apparent age. How old will our glorified bodies look? However old they look does not really matter, because any age they appear still means they were only a twinkling of an eye old.

EXAMPLES OF GOD CREATING THINGS INSTANTLY OR IN A MATTER OF DAYS OR MONTHS:

CREATES LIGHT ON DAY ONE

Genesis1:3: “And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”

CREATES WATER ON DAY ONE

Genesis 1:2 “And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.”

DIVIDES THE WATERS ON DAY TWO

Genesis 1:6: “And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.”

CREATES PLANTS AND TREES ON DAY THREE

Genesis 1:12-13: “And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day.”

CREATES MOON AND STARS ON DAY FOUR

Genesis 1:14: “And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:”

CREATES CREATURES OF THE SEA, LAND, AND AIR ON DAY FIVE

Genesis: 1:20,24: “And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven….And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so”

ADAM AND EVE CREATED FULLY FORMED ON DAY SIX

Genesis 20:27: “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”

SPEECH (FIRST HUMAN ADAM SPOKE)

Genesis 2:23: “And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.”

ENOCH’S TRANSLATION

Genesis 5:24: “And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him”.

GLOBAL FLOOD (Genesis Chapters 5-9)

BRAZEN SERPENT (healing reverses decay rate)

Numbers 21:9: “And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.”

CLOTHES AND SANDALS OF THE ISRAELITES IN THE WILDERNESS NEVER WORE OUT IN FORTY YEARS (total suspension of decay rate)

Deuteronomy 29:5: “During the forty years that I led you through the desert, your clothes did not wear out, nor did the sandals on your feet.”

SUN AND MOON STAND STILL FOR TWELVE HOURS

IN JOSHUA’S BATTLE OF JERICHO

(suspends time and decay rate for entire solar system)

Joshua 10:13: “And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.”

EGYPTIAN PLAGUES (Exodus Chapters 7-11)

PARTING OF THE READ SEA (SEA OF REEDS)

Exodus 14:21: “And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.”

GUIDING THE ISRAELITES IN A CLOUD BY DAY & PILLAR OF FIRE BY NIGHT

Exodus 13:20: “And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:”

MIRACLES OF JESUS CHRIST:

CHRIST’S FIRST MIRACLE OF TURNING WATER TO WINE

(accelerates decay rate), (John Chapter Two)

CHRIST CASTING OUT DEMONS INTO A HERD OF PIGS

Matthew 8:32: “He said to them, “Go!” So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water.”

CHRIST HEALING THE WOMAN’S TWELVE YEARS OF BLEEDING WHICH HAD STOPPED, RESTORING HER MENSTRUAL CYCLE

Luke 8:43-45 “And a woman was there who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years, but no one could heal her. She came up behind him and touched the edge of his cloak, and immediately her bleeding stopped.”

CHRIST WALKING ON THE WATER

John 6:19: “So when they had rowed about five and twenty or thirty furlongs, they see Jesus walking on the sea, and drawing nigh unto the ship: and they were afraid.”

CHRIST RAISING LAZARUS FROM THE DEAD AFTER FOUR DAYS

(reverses decay rate)

John 11:17,43: “On his arrival, Jesus found that Lazarus had already been in the tomb for four days…When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!”

CHRIST’S TRANSFIGURATION

Matthew 17:2: “There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light”.

THE RESURRECTION (demolishes decay rate)

Luke 24:46: “And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:”

NEW CREATION (BEING BORN AGAIN)

John 3:3: “In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”

GLORIFICATION (AT THE RAPTURE) (demolishes decay rate)

I Thessalonians 4:16-17: “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH (demolishes decay rate)

Revelation 21:1: “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”

So because these were all done instantaneously or very rapidly, God is deceiving us because of the apparent age they often portray? There is NO deception, if God told us what he did!

As to whether or not God expects us to tell time from the beginning, he gives us the genealogy of Christ four times in the Bible. If God did not give these and expect us to be able to tell time, there would be no way of determining your inheritance, something so critical to all of the tribes and clans of Israel. How would you properly identify the Messiah, without keeping track, in time, of his lineage?

I would now like to address a few points in on this subject of “time”, though I have also addressed it above. Christians who have trouble with a global flood cannot then accept the clear account in Genesis, that God flooded the whole world with water, when he created it, before he brought dry land out of the water?

If one postulates that you assume God works through the Laws of Nature that he created, then I agree that he normally does that. But, we still don’t know all of the laws of nature he created. Secondly, based on what I presented about the “invisible” laws, we have no idea what impact or limitation God himself has imposed on the natural laws. But once again, based on all of the Biblical examples above, he preempts them at will. We know for certain God breaks the natural laws we can observe. That is how we know it is a miracle. But what about his laws we can NOT observe? There is a whole lot going on in the unseen world. But we have no idea what is occurring in this realm. The Scriptures give us occasional windows into this unseen world such Saul bringing Samuel’s spirit, the Archangel Michael in a perpetual battle defending Israel, as described in the Book of Daniel, other visions of the prophets, Jesus Christ’s description of the torment of the rich man in Sheol, and the war in Heaven described in the Book of Revelation.

But as a whole, we are not given the ability to peer into the unseen world and, in fact, are prohibited from doing so.

God certainly does work within the framework his own created natural laws, in the observed physical Universe, but he also periodically suspends them as well as works simultaneously in the invisible realm. So, I hope my arguments from Scripture about God’s “Invisible” laws that govern the Universe are compelling.

Many people (including Christians) will say something like: “When someone asks me the age of the universe, I simply shrug and say ‘it depends’. I think it is actually the most correct answer. “

Comment: If I could humbly disagree. Reason: God tells us the age of the Universe, then he tells us what to do during this Present Age (once again using my above arguments). If one is forced to use the words “it depends”, then my answer would be, it depends on if you are man or the Lord. And, it depends on where you are (on earth, or in heaven). If I were God, I would then ask back similarly to his dialogue with Job. “Where are you?’ Answer: “On the earth or in heaven”. God’s second question: “Who are you, the Lord or Man?” Answer: “Man.”

So does God want us to keep time? Absolutely and unequivocally YES! And if he does, he expects us to know the age of the earth (at least upper limits).

Regarding the Canopy Theory of a water vapor surrounding the earth prior to the Flood, then collapsing to produce the Flood, I should underscore that it definitely rained. But it did not rain until there was a canopy created by the fountains of the deep filling up the sky. And God certainly could have created rain without dust. But ,we know there would be dust, if “all” of the volcanoes blew into the Sky. Mt. St. Helens should put that to rest. The water condensing on the dust gives it the gravity to fall to the ground. This still keeps it as a judgment. Remember, that there was enough water to cover the earth in Genesis Chapter I, AFTER God has placed the waters above the sky (space). And, even if you support the Canopy Theory, even the most generous limits of a canopy by young earth Christian geologist models maintain that a canopy would only add several feet more water to the surface…which is virtually nothing when compared to the volume of water that would be needed to totally submerge the earth. I know that the canopy creates a good model for the barrier needed. But, that is also assuming that we know, with absolute certainty, that there even was a need for a pre-Flood barrier; to do what? Produce long life spans? I have seen various charts of the drop off in longevity since Adam. But the fact is, you can’t find a convenient place to put the Flood. The downward slopes in life spans, though somewhat jagged, are quite uniform right up through Moses, when life spans really taper off to 60-100 years. I continually hear about this 120 years life span after the Flood. But, you can’t find one person in the Bible who lived to be exactly 120 years.. the closest you get is Joseph who lived 110 years. But Joseph lived almost 700 years after the Flood. The only true Biblical support for a deterioration of life spans is really the effects of the original curse and Fall of Adam. Scripture:

Genesis 6:3: “And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”

“I will no longer tarry with man and his days shall be 120 years” is a prophecy of the number of years until the Flood. (Though I personally think that the Flood had some impact on longevity). Then there is another problem with this supposed rosy quasi-Paradise pre-Flood. That is Genesis 5:29, which Lamech, in referring to Noah states:

Genesis 5:29: “He will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the Lord has cursed.”

It does not sound to me like there was much of a paradise on earth going on here up to the Flood. In fact, it is implied that the ground would be better after the Flood. The Flood perhaps rototilled the entire earth, leaving the soil more user-friendly for agriculture. The ground would still be cursed until Christ recreates Paradise. But the effects of the curse were reduced by the irrigation caused by the Flood. We certainly would agree with Lamech today, for those of us who drive cars and heat our homes with the fuel that would only be available to us, if there were a global deluge, which buried all of the vegetation deep underground, to create oil, gas, and coal. Who knows…you may have even put a little “Harry”…a Flood victim from Mesopotamia into your last tank of gas.

In conclusion, I find it inconceivable that God would give us such a precise blueprint of time in mornings, days, evenings, seasons, years, Sabbaths, genealogies, and a host of prophecies containing days, weeks and years, with specific, even cataclysmic dire consequences (curses for disobedience), which are directly tied to these various time frames, and, likewise, blessings were accrued to those who were obedient. Then conclude that God did not intend for man to tell or keep time, right back to the beginning of the earth and the universe. So I do not think we can answer the question “How old is the earth” with “It depends”. Jesus himself, on the Road to Emmaus, thought it was important enough to tell these disciples everything about who he was from the beginning of Creation.

Luke 24:27: “And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself”.

I cannot imagine that he would do this, if he did not think it was important to have them have a reference point in time of who he is. Without this blueprint of time and genealogy, there would be no way of identifying and knowing for certain who the Messiah would be. God gave the whole future history of Israel in the Prophets and the whole future history of the World to his prophets. Jesus is so concerned about our perception of time and identifying signs, particularly the End Times, that he gave us some of his greatest warnings about being deceived in the last days, as do the Apostles Paul, Peter, and John. This warning would be unimaginable, if time and the fullness of time did not have to be reckoned by mankind. How could we ever discern the fullness of time if we could not keep time, and be expected to keep time, so that it does not come upon us unaware. Paul said to the Thessalonians concerning the return of Christ that “of the times and seasons you have no need for me to tell you”. He did not say this because they did not need to know, but because had already told them. The Antichrist is referred to as one who will try to “change the times and the laws” (Daniel 7:25). How could we identify him, if we do not know what time or laws are, so that we could recognize when he changed them? So, it was important that they knew. We are also called to gather together that much more often, as we see the day of our redemption draw near.

Luke 21:28: “And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.”

How could we even comprehend how to comply with this instruction, if we have no reliable mechanism of time, in order to obey that command? The age of the earth is directly connected with how old the earth will be when Christ returns. We will not know the day or the hour, but we will know when it is even at the door, because we remained vigilant and forewarned and prepared for this very time.

Matthew 24:33: “So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.”

When he comes is dependent on when he came and when he descended from Adam.

Regarding physical or natural laws (visible vs. invisible), I think there is also an important distinction between man’s laws, which are visible vs. God’s law of the natural order, given by Divine Revelation. Example: both gravity and entropy are physical and observable laws. But, gravity is a law based on man’s observation. Entropy, on the other hand, is a physical law too, but it was given by God’s revelation in the Scriptures, such as the “heavens wear out like a garment”, and physical death. This does not mean that an observable law of man is not true, as it is pretty hard to argue against gravity. Also, both gravity and entropy were not always here but were introduced and are temporary. Death was not originally natural, but introduced because of the Fall. And death won’t be here in the New Heavens and Earth, or for that matter neither will the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Death will be the last enemy thrown into the Lake of Fire. Our glorified bodies will certainly not be bound by gravity. Newton’s and Einstein’s equations are man made, so are not the final authority. We always talk about the known universe having to obey the three laws of thermodynamics, and that they must follow uniformitarian principles. But, we must be very careful here, because the 2nd Law (entropy) is also a God given law. But, it is temporary. Furthermore, if life must come from life, there could never be a beginning of life in the natural, according to the Law of Biogenesis, because you would have to go backwards to infinity, since you could never get life without parents that had life. But, from a Biblical view, life never began without God breathing it into what he had formed….it would NEVER live. But, God was not life in the natural sense (biogenetically), as he is INVISIBLE…that is, until he came as the Messiah (excluding Old Testament Theophanies). Though once life was here, I certainly would agree with this law.

In conclusion, I think the best statement that can be made whether God expects man to be able to tell time is in Jesus Christ’s own words: Matthew 16:2-3: “When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. And in the morning, It will be foul weather today: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?”

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Global Conspiracy to Steal the Land of Israel by James Sundquist

This is a reposting of a great slide series by author James Sundquist. James is an expert in discernment ministries and Gospel acoustic guitar playing. James compiled this years ago but my oh my, how appropriate it is for today. It is cutting edge in order to understand what in the world is going on in our times. For your spiritual nourishment, please watch it all! In Christ, Pastor Steve <><

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Anthology of Sacred Christmas Carols for Classical Guitar By James Sundquist

What does a discernment ministry expert do in his spare time as a Christian? Why of course he plays sacred Christmas carols for classic guitar. Listen and be blessed as James Sundquist, a good friend of this blog author, plays the most beautiful selections that we all enjoy at Christmas. In Christ, Pastor Steve <><

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Anthology of Sacred Carols for Classical Guitar Solo Instrumental Album Notes
Guitarist: James Sundquist

Songtitles:
Joy To The World God, Rest You Merry Gentlemen, Angels We Have Heard On High, Hark The Herald Angels Sing ,O Little Town of Bethlehem,
I Wonder As I Wander, It Came Upon A Midnight Clear, Away In A Manger, Silent Night, The First Noel, What Child Is This (Greensleeves),
Cantique de Noel (O Holy Night), Adeste Fideles (O Come All Ye Faithful)

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Artist: JAMES SUNDQUIST
All guitar arrangements by James Sundquist
Produced by: Last Generation Artists, Inc.
New York, New York
Musical Consultant: Karen Dann Sundquist
Chief Engineer: Ray Rayburn
Second Engineers: Raphael Flores
Tony Rodriquez
David Rodriquez
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Carl Jung and Churches Today

Fundamental Baptist Information Service – fbns@wayoflife.org, PO Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061, 866-295-4143 Unless otherwise indicated all reports are by David Cloud. Home Store Reports Library Free eBooks Free eVideo  Carl Jung and Churches Today Updated September 29, 2022 (Updated to include book/slide links.)Read on Website  Psychologist Carl Jung (1875-1961) has had a vast influence not only on society at large but also upon churches, both liberal and evangelical. He has been openly promoted by Paul Tillich, Morton Kelsey, John Sanford, Thomas Moore, Joseph Campbell, John Spong, Richard Foster, Agnes Sanford, to name a few, and has been more subtly promoted by many others. Jung’s psychological typing, for example, provides the underpinning for the Personality Profiling part of Rick Warren’s SHAPE program, which has taken churches by a storm in the last few years.  The following important information is from a perceptive report entitled “Carl Jung, Neo-Gnosticism, and the Meyers-Briggs Temperament Indicator (MBTI)” by Ed Hird of Canada. It is adapted from James Sundquist’s excellent book Who’s Driving the Purpose Driven Church: A Documentary on the Teachings of Rick Warren. We recommend Sundquist’s book. It will help you understand just how dangerous Rick Warren’s program is. You can also find the entire report by Hird in Sundquist’s book, of which the following is only an excerpt. Sundquist’s books can be found HERE: Also see the following link which has color slides to support the teaching: https://procinwarn.com/james-sundquist/ _____________ Carl Jung is described by Merill Berger, a Jungian psychologist, as “the psychologist of the 21st century” (Merill Berger and Stephen Segaller, The Wisdom of the Dreams, front cover). Dr. Satinover says, “Because of his great influence in propagating gnostic philosophy and morals in churches and synagogues, Jung deserves a closer look. The moral relativism that released upon us the sexual revolution is rooted in an outlook of which (Jung) is the most brilliant contemporary expositor” (Jeffrey Satinover, Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, 1996, p. 238). One could say without overstatement that Carl Jung is the Father of Neo-Gnosticism and the New Age Movement. That is why Satinover comments that “one of the most powerful modern forms of Gnosticism is without question Jungian psychology, both within or without the Church” (Satinover, The Empty Self, p. 27). Carl Jung “explicitly identified depth psychology, especially his own, as heir to the apostolic tradition, especially in what he considered its superior handling of the problem of evil” (Satinover, The Empty Self, p. 238). Jung claimed that “in the ancient world, the Gnostics, whose arguments were very much influenced by psychic experience, tackled the problem of evil on a broader basis than the Church Fathers” (Carl Jung, Aion, Collected Works, Vol. 9, 2, p. 10). Dr. Satinover notes, “Whatever the system, and however the different stages are purportedly marked, the ultimate aim, the innermost circle of all Gnostic systems, is a mystical vision of the union of good and evil” (Satinover, The Empty Self, p. 23). Jung, says Satinover, “devoted most of his adult life to a study of alchemy; he also explicated both antique hermeticism and the ‘christian’ Gnostics; his earliest writings were about spiritualism…” (Satinover, The Empty Self, p. 27, f. 28). In his autobiography Memories, Dreams, Reflections, Jung claimed: “The possibility of a comparison with alchemy, and the uninterrupted intellectual chain back to Gnosticism, gave substance to my psychology” (Jung and Aniela Jaffe, Memories, Dreams, Reflections, trans. from German by Richard & Clara Winston, p. 205). Most people are not aware that Jung collected one of the largest amassing of spiritualistic writings found on the European continent (Satinover, The Empty Self, p. 28). Dr. James Hillman, the former director for the Jungian Institute in Zurich, commented, “[Jung] wrote the first introduction to Zen Buddhism, he … brought in (Greek Mythology), the gods and the goddesses, the myths … he was interested in astrology…” (The Wisdom of the Dreams: Carl Jung, a Stephen Segaller Video, Vol. 3, “A World of Dreams”). In 1929, Jung wrote a commentary on the Secret of the Golden Flower, which he said was “not only a Taoist text concerned with Chinese Yoga, but is also an alchemical treatise” (Jung, Psychology and the East, London and New York: Ark, 1978/1986, p. 3). He comments that “… it was the text of the Golden Flower that first put me on the right track. For in medieval alchemy we have the long-sought connecting link between Gnosis [i.e. of the Gnostics] and the processes of the collective unconscious that can be observed in modern man…” (Psychology and the East, p. 6). Dr. Richard Noll comments that “the divinatory methods of the I Ching, used often by Jung in the 1920s and 1930s, were a part of the initial training program of the C.G. Jung Institute of Zurich in 1948, and its use is widely advocated today in Jungian Analytic-Training Institutes throughout the world” (Richard Noll, The Jung Cult: Origins of a Charismatic Movement, 1994, p. 333). During the hippie movement of the 1960s, the Rock Opera Hair boldly proclaimed the alleged dawning of the Age of Aquarius. Once again Carl Jung foreshadowed this emphasis in a 1940 letter to his former assistant, Godwin Baynes: “1940 is the year when we approach the meridian of the first star in Aquarius. It is the premonitory earthquake of the New Age” (Merill Berger and Stephen Segaller, The Wisdom of the Dreams, p. 162). … In a letter written by Jung to Sigmund Freud, he said: “My evenings are taken up very largely with astrology. I made horoscopic calculations in order to find a clue to the core of psychological truth. … I dare say that we shall one day discover in astrology a good deal of knowledge which has been intuitively projected into the heavens” (Richard Webster, Why Freud Was Wrong, 1995, p. 385). Jung’s family had occult linkage on both sides, from his paternal grandfather’s Freemasonry involvement as Grandmaster of the Swiss Lodge (Jung and Jaffe, Memories, Dreams, Reflections, p. 232), and his maternal family’s long-term involvement with séances and ghosts. John Kerr, author of A Most Dangerous Method, comments that Jung was heavily involved for many years with his mother and two female cousins in hypnotically induced séances. Jung eventually wrote up the séances as his medical dissertation (John Kerr, A Most Dangerous Method: The Story of Jung, Freud, and Sabina Spielrein, 1993, pp. 50, 54).  Jung acquired a spirit guide and guru named “Philemon” [who was described by Jung as “an old man with the horns of a bull … and the wings of a fisher’]. Before being Philemon, this creature appeared to Jung as “Elijah,” and then finally mutated to “Ka”, an Egyptian earth-soul that “came from below” (Satinover, The Empty Self, p. 37). (The spirit guide Philemon/Elijah later mutated into Salome, who addressed Jung in a self-directed trance vision as Christ. Jung “saw” himself assume the posture of a victim of crucifixion, with a snake coiled around him, and his face transformed into that of a lion from the Mithraic mystery religion. — C.G. Jung, Analytical Psychology, Princeton University Press, 1989, pp. 86, 98) It may be worth reflecting upon why Jung designated his Bollingen Tower as the Shrine of Philemon (Jung and Jaffe, Memories, Dreams, Reflections, p. 223). Carl Jung himself was the son of a Swiss Pastor caught in an intellectual faith crisis. When younger, he had a life-changing dream of a subterranean phallic god which reappeared “whenever anyone spoke too emphatically about Lord Jesus” (Memories, Dreams, Reflections, p. 12). … This “initiation into the realm of darkness” (Memories, Dreams, Reflections, p. 15) radically shaped Jung’s approach to Jesus: “Lord Jesus never became quite real for me, never quite acceptable, never quite lovable, for again and again I would think of his underground counterpart. … Lord Jesus seemed to me in some ways a god of death. … Secretly, his love and kindness, which I always heard praised, appeared doubtful to me…” (Memories, Dreams, Reflections, p. 13). [Note from Brother Cloud: There are other things in this section that are even more abominable but I do not want to quote them. It is enough to say that Jung was a demonically-deceived blasphemer and Christ rejecter of the highest order.] One of Jung’s key emphases was that the “dark side” of human nature needed to be “integrated” into a single, overarching “wholeness” in order to form a less strict and difficult definition of goodness (Satinover, Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, p. 240). “For Jung”, says Satinover, “good and evil evolved into two equal, balanced, cosmic principles that belong together in one overarching synthesis. This relativization of good and evil by their reconciliation is the heart of the ancient doctrines of gnosticism, which also located spirituality, hence morality, within man himself. Hence ‘the union of opposites’” (Satinover, Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, p. 240). Jung believed that “the Christ-symbol lacks wholeness in the modern psychological sense, since it does not include the dark side of things…” (Jung, Aion, Collected Works, p. 41). For Jung, it was regrettable that Christ in his goodness lacked a shadow side, and God the Father, who is the Light, lacked darkness (John Dourley, C.G. Jung and Paul Tillich, 1981, p. 63). He spoke of “… the incompleteness of the Christian God-image” (Jung and Jaffe, Memories, Dreams, Reflections, p. 318). … Jung believed, “It is possible for a man to attain totality, to become whole, only with the co-operation of the spirit of darkness…” (Jung, “The Phenomenology of the Spirit in Fairy Tales,” Collected Works, 9, para. 453). …. “Jung’s direct and indirect impact on mainstream Christianity — and thus on Western culture,” says Satinover, “has been incalculable. It is no exaggeration to say that the theological positions of most mainstream denominations in their approach to pastoral care, as well as in their doctrines and liturgy — have become more or less identical with Jung’s psychological/symbolic theology” (Satinover, Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, p. 240).  It is not just the more “liberal” groups, however, that are embracing the Jungian/MBTI approach. In a good number of Evangelical theological colleges, the MBTI is being imposed upon the student body as a basic course requirement, despite the official Jungian stance that “the client has the choice of taking the MBTI or not. Even subtle pressure should be avoided” (Gordon Lawrence, People Types and Tiger Stripes, p. 218). … Jung taught the now familiar inter-faith dialogue line that “both paths are right” (Dourley, C.G. Jung and Paul Tillich, p. 279). Jung spoke of Jesus, Mani, Buddha, and Lao-Tse as “pillars of the spirit”, saying, “I could give none preference over the other” (Dourley, p. 65). The English theologian Don Cupitt says that Jung pioneered the multi-faith approach now widespread in the church (The Wisdom of the Dream, p. 99). … In light of our current Canadian controversies around “Mother Goddess” hymnbooks, it is interesting to read in the MBTI source book, Psychological Types (Carl Jung, 1921), about the “Gnostic prototype, viz, Sophia, an immensely significant symbol for the Gnosis” (Jung, Psychological Types: or the Psychological of Individuation, Princeton, 1921, 1971, p. 290). Carl Jung is indeed the Grandfather of much of our current theology…. Dr. Richard Noll holds in his book The Jung Cult that such Jungian ideas as the “collective unconscious” and the theory of the archetypes come as much from late 19th century occultism, neopaganism, and social Darwinian teaching, as they do from natural science (The Jung Cult, front cover). Jung’s post-Freudian work (after 1912), especially his theories of the collective unconscious and the archetypes, could not have been constructed, says Noll, without the works of G.R.S. Mead on Gnosticism, Hermeticism, and the Mithraic Liturgy. Starting in 1911, Jung quoted Mead, a practicing Theosophist, regularly in his works through his entire life (Noll, The Jung Cult, p. 69). Richard Webster holds that “the Unconscious is not simply an occult entity for whose real existence there is no palpable evidence. It is an illusion produced by language — a kind of intellectual hallucination” (Richard Webster, Why Freud Was Wrong, p. 250).  Jung was a master at creating obscure, scientific-sounding concepts, usually adapted from occultic literature. Jung held that “the collective unconsciousness is the sediment of all the experience of the universe of all time, and is also the image of the universe that has been in process of formation from untold ages…” (Jung, Collected Papers on Analytical Psychology, “The Psychology of Unconscious Processes,” p. 432). …  In words strangely reminiscent of L. Ron Hubbard’s Scientology, Jung teaches in Psychological Types (1921), “The unconscious, regarded as the historical background of the psyche, contains in a concentrated form the entire succession of engrams (imprints) which from time to time have determined the psychic structure as it now exists” (Jung, Psychological Types, p. 211). … Jung entitled an entire section in Psychological Types — “Concerning the Brahmanic Conception of the Reconciling Symbol.” [Note from Bro. Cloud: This, of course, is Hinduism.] Jung notes: “Brahman therefore must signify the irrational union of the opposites — hence their final overcoming … These quotations show that Brahman is the reconciliation and dissolution of the opposites — hence standing beyond them as an irrational factor” (Psychological Types, pp. 245-46). Share, Print or View this report Valuable Resources O Timothy Magazine Sermon and Conference Audio Conference and Preaching Video Emails are sent only to those who request to be on our mail list. If you are not on our mail list and you received this mailing it was forwarded to you by someone on our list. It did not come from Way of Life Literature Sharing Policy:  You may freely copy and share and/or use excerpts or entire report as long as you credit: David Cloud, Way of Life Literature, www.wayoflife.org. Store items have restrictions. Please read our full sharing policy here. 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