The Evangelical Fracture – Biblical Illiteracy Driving Division

Yes, we are truly living in a time of Biblical illiteracy. Leaders have woven worldly philosophies with the Word of God, and come up with falsehoods, lies and a diluted Bible which is really no Bible at all.

Colossians 2:8 King James Version

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

In Christ, Pastor Steve <><

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Breaking News Updates – November 30, 2021

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BY JOHN STONESTREET/BREAKPOINT.ORG NOVEMBER 30, 2021
The Evangelical Fracture – Biblical Illiteracy Driving Division
 
Recently in the Atlantic, Peter Wehner argued that the evangelical church is breaking apart. He references the politicization of Covid, the challenge of two contentious elections, and the fact that America is in a bitter partisan divide.

Recently in the Atlantic, Peter Wehner argued that the evangelical church is breaking apart. He references the politicization of Covid, the challenge of two contentious elections, and the fact that America is in a bitter partisan divide. Additionally, in June, Mere Orthodoxy columnist Michael Graham suggested that evangelicalism in America is undergoing a “Six-way fracturing.” 
Graham doesn’t express the same pessimism about the future as Wehner; Graham is descriptive, while Wehner’s is predictive. All the same, evangelicals predicting their own demise is a pretty consistent feature of that branch of the Christian church. The most commonly blamed culprit is politics.
Of course, things inside the evangelical camp are divisive. According to one study, 29% of pastors considered quitting in the last year, and Wehner suggests why: “the aggressive, disruptive, and unforgiving mindset that characterizes so much of our politics has found a home in many American churches.” 
At the same time, there are reasons to doubt predictions of evangelicalism’s impending demise. For one thing, evangelicals have long divided over politics; articles similar to Wehner’s date back to at least the Reagan administration. It’s essentially the same analysis blaming the same culprits.
Part of the challenge in any analysis is defining “evangelicalism.” After all, the identity of most denominations, even those historically formed over theological, geographical, or ethnic distinctions, seem up for grabs these days. Evangelicals are a cross-denominational bunch without a clear hierarchy. 
The best attempt to define evangelicalism, in theory, is what’s known as David Bebbington’s “quadrilateral.” This four-part definition includes a commitment to conversion, Biblical authority, the centrality of the cross, and social activism. However, the label of evangelical is now claimed by many who define Bebbington’s four parts in ways foreign to the Christian movements from the 19th century in England and America.  
Today, the term “evangelical” is claimed and applied to pastors, politicos, activists, bloggers, artists, commentators, congregations, and conferences with widely (and, at times, wildly) different views about Scripture, conversion, Jesus, and social issues. 
Each side of the label accuses the other of abandoning or compromising evangelical identity. The long-standing and dominant media narrative, for example, insists that conservative Christians are guilty of “politicizing the faith.” However, sociologists George Yancey and Ashlee Quosigk offer a different take in their new book One Faith No Longer. 
Their surprising conclusions, wrote Trevin Wax at The Gospel Coalition, “upends conventional wisdom that conservative Christians are uniquely prone to falling captive to unbiblical political ideologies, or that conservative Christians are filled with rage toward their theological opponents.” 
Countering the dominant narrative, writes Wax, “progressive Christians are more likely to establish their identity in politics, while conservative Christians find their identity in theology.” Second, conservative Christians are more likely than their progressive counterparts to defy their side’s “political orthodoxy.” Third, progressive Christians tend to think that conservative Christians are the ones in need of conversion, not non-Christians.
To be clear, as we’ve argued repeatedly on Breakpoint, many conservative Christians are guilty of doing politics poorly. Often, in fact. Many on the Christian right suffer just as deeply from the “political illusion,” looking for political messiahs or for political solutions to problems that are not political. 
Politics, in and of itself, makes for a lousy worldview. The real crisis simmering beneath evangelical division is a theological one. A recent survey conducted by George Barna found that 62% of American Christians don’t believe that the Holy Spirit is a real person. 61% say all religious faiths are of equal value. 
The survey concluded, noting core beliefs, like the inerrancy of Scripture, that just 6% of American Christians consistently hold recognizably Christian beliefs. One might say evangelicals have forgotten the Evangel.
That doesn’t mean a vacuum is left where the Gospel should be, however. As Alan Jacobs with Baylor University’s honors program observed, “Culture catechizes.” In the absence of biblical teaching, Christians will learn “not from the churches, but from the media they consume, or rather the media that consume them.”
Wholly avoiding politics, as some suggest, is not an option for Christians, especially in a world where abortions are legal, radical ideology is hoisted on elementary-age children, and China is committing genocide against the Uygurs. We should vote and advocate, to paraphrase Abraham Kuyper, in every square inch of human existence as if it belongs to Christ, who is Sovereign over all. Because it does.
Christ calls His people to love our neighbors and our enemies. Sometimes, we must love them by opposing them, but never by dehumanizing them. We can and must engage political issues, but never make them ultimate. As Paul wrote in his letter to the church leader Titus: “be ready to do whatever is good, to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and always to be gentle toward everyone.” 
A much-needed revival of Christian truth and love along those lines will be the work of the Holy Spirit, not politics.
Originally published at Breakpoint.org – reposted with permission.

THE FENTANYL CHURCH / Part 2

My apologies to anyone who attempted to open “The Fentanyl Church” article, posted on October 9, 2019, and was not able to.  Praise the Lord, the article is written below in its entirety.  It was written by one who is steeped in understanding of apostate and false theology, yet desires to remain anonymous at this time.  It is a beautiful thumbnail sketch of false teachings verses true teachings in todays’ church.

This Article Is An Excellent Contrast Of God’s True Church Verses Manmade And Satanic Apostasy.  Read It To See God’s True Spiritual Church Compared To A “Man Made Church,” Based Solely On The Traditions Of Men.    Pastor Steve  <><

Colossians 2:8 KJV: “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”

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THE FENTANYL CHURCH
I did a Google search for Spiritual Fentanyl and Church Fentanyl and this article popped up: HOW WE BECAME “THE HEROIN CHURCH” BY SAM RAINER https://erlc.com/resource-library/articles/how-we-became-the-heroin-church

At first I thought the article was about how the Church itself had become synthetic manmade Fentanyl. But I was wrong. First for context, here is the Center For Disease control definition of literal Fentenayl: Fentanyl | Drug Overdose | CDC Injury Center: “What is fentanyl? Pharmaceutical fentanyl is a synthetic opioid pain reliever” https:// http://www.cdc.gov / drug overdose/opioids/ fentanyl .html
I just love the term Fentanyl because it is synthetic drug, meaning man-made, exactly what the Traditions of Men, hence my title CHRISTIAN FENTANYL!

But as Jesus Christ, and the Apostles Paul, Peter, Jude, and John repeatedly warned that this not world they were talking about, but how the Great Falling Away would be because the Church itself had become Spiritual Fentanyl, spiritually killing of members of the church or providing a host of doctrines of demons, seducing spirits, false teachers, false prophets, authors, and teaching from the pulpit. Plus the church saying we are going into the streets, neighborhoods, and bringing in and recruiting literal drug addicts, and bring them into the church thinking they are saving them, when in fact they are simply replacing literal synthetic fentanyl with spiritual fentanyl, i.e., literal death with spiritual death. Here are just a few of the synthetic spiritual drugs that have precipitated this apostasy masquerading as servants of righteousness and use the following criteria or variation, to define and promote what they call the prescription or MARKS OF A HEALTHY CHURCH and/or in the name of ETHICS, LIBERTY, AND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY (not every church necessarily does all of this list and this list is not exhaustive):

SPIRITUAL FENTENAYL DRUG 50 LITMUS TESTS QUESTIONNAIRE

1. IMPORT AND REQUIRE TRADITIONS OF MEN VS. COMMANDED TRADITIONS OF CHRIST AND HIS APOSTLES

2. SPIRITUALIZE AWAY SCRIPTURE SO THAT IT CAN SUBJECTIVELY MEAN ANYTHING YOU WANT

3. IMPORT PSYCHOTHERAPY PERSONALITY TEMPERAMENT DIVINATION PROFILES SUCH AS MBTI, DISC, ENNEAGRAM, LEARNING FROM YOUR STRENGTHS, AND RICK WARREN’S SHAPE (imported into a host of Baptist Churches)

4. CONDUCT INFANT BAPTISMS (i.e. SPIRITUAL EXTORTION)

5. PROMOTE REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY AND BOYCOTT AND DIVEST ISRAEL

6. PRACTICE MYSTICISM AND MASQUERADE IT AS SPIRITUAL FORMATION

7. INCULCATE CARL JUNG THEORY AND CALL IT FINDING YOUR TRUE SELF

8. COLLOBORATE WITH ROMAN CATHOLICISM AND ECUMENISM

9. MANDATE WORKS SALVATION OR CO-PAY VS. CHRIST FULLY PURCHASED US

10. SPUR ON SOCIAL JUSTICE

11. EQUATE SOCIALISM AKA MARXIANITY TO CHRISTIANITY

12. HIJACK LOCAL CHURCH PROPERTIES AND SEIZING THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS

13. MAKE THE LAW SUCH AS TITHING COMPULSORY THEREBY RENDERING GRACE NULL VOID

14. SIGN CHURCH MEMBERSHIP COVENANTS

15. DESIGN GLOBAL PEACE PLANS THAT INCLUDE MUSLIMS (AKA CHRISLAM) VS. CHRIST’S COMING KINGDOM THAT WILL HAVE NONE

16. INCLUDE ALCOHOLICS ANYNONYMOUS (A.A.)

17. CELEBRATE RECOVERY OF THE OLD MAN VS. BEING CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST AS NEW MAN (NEW CREATION)

18. INSTALL CHURCH HIERARCHY VS. ELDER RULE

19. USURP THE HOLY SPIRIT WITH CHURCH GROWTH TECHNIQUES VS. HOLY SPIRIT WHO ALONE ADDS MEMBERS TO THE BODY OF CHRIST

20. MODEL A CHURCH AS THOUGH IT WERE A BUSINESS

21. EVANGELIZE SCIENCE FALSELY SO-CALLED CLIMATE CHANGE

22. GOVERN AS PASTOR IS MASTER VS. PLURALITY OF ELDERS RULE

23. SCORN PEOPLE WHO LEAVE THE CHURCH AS THE ENEMY VS. THE PASTOR BEING THE ENEMY WHO BROUGHT IN THE FALSE TEACHING

24. CIRCLE THE WAGON AROUND THE CELEBRITY PASTOR VS. CIRCLE THE WAGON AROUND THE TRUTH

25. DILUTE SOUND DOCTRINE TO ACCOMMODATE THE SEEKER FRIENDLY/SEEKER SENSITIVE UNCHURCHED HARRY AND MARY

26. PERFORM UNBIBLICAL SACRAMENTS

27. COMMIT FALSE ADVERTISING AND MARKETING FRAUD BY CLAIMING YOUR BOOK IS “THE BESTSELLING NON-FICTION HARDBACK BOOK IN HISTORY”

28. MEASURE SPIRITUALITY BY PRACTICING NUMEROLOGY BUT DISGUISE IT AND TRY TO SANCTIFY IT BY CALLING IT PSYCHOMETRICS AND CHURCH MULTIPLICATION STRATEGY VS. PAUL’S ADMONITION TO THE COLOSSIANS TO NOT MEASURE SPIRITUALITY* (SEE FENENAYL QUESTIONNAIRE TEST BELOW)

29. INTEGRATE PSYCHOLOGY WITH SCRIPTURE

30. CONCEAL, COVER UP, REWARD DEEDS OF DARKNESS VS. EXPOSING AND EXPELLING THEM

31. CHANGE SEASONS AND TIMES AND REDEFINE DAYS AND YEARS AND GENDER IDENTITY, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, AND INVITE EUGENICS/PRO-ABORTION JEZEBELS TO SPEAK AT YOUR CHURCH AND GIVE HER A STANDING OVATION (e.g., Hillary Clinton at Saddleback Church)

32. STRAY FROM THE SIMPLICITY IN CHRIST

33. WEAPONIZIE CHRISTIANITY (i.e, AUGUSTINE AND CALVIN)

34. PROMOTE ANOTHER JESUS

35. PROMOTE ANOTHER GOSPEL

36. PROMOTE MYTHS

37. CALL GOOD EVIL, AND EVIL GOOD

38. PERPETUATE PERPETRATORS

39. APOLOGIZE TO AND COMFORT THE PERPETRATORS AND BLAME, PERSECUTE AND PUNISH THE VICTIMS AS THOUGH THEY ARE THE ENEMY BECAUSE THEY TELL YOU THE TRUTH

40. INJECT THE LEAVEN OF HEROD (MERGING CHURCH AND STATE, AKA DOMINION THEOLOGY)

41. FORM HIERARCHY DENOMINATIONS VS. SOVEREIGNTY OF LOCAL CHURCH

42. EMAIL NONDISCLOSURE CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENTS PARALYZING AND CRIPPLING A CHRISTIAN’S ABILITY TO OBEY MATTHEW 18, I CORINTHIANS 5:13, EPHESIANS 5;11, RENDERING CHURCH DISCIPLINE NULL AND VOID

43. PREACH FROM THE PULPIT THAT WE ARE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY PRACTICE BEING CRETANS, WHOSE GOD IS THEIR BELLY

44. INSTITUTE 12 STEP PROGRAMS VS. ONE STEP OF REPENTANCE AND DELIVERANCE IN SCRIPTURE

45. COMPEL THOSE WHO COUNSEL TO BE CERTIFIED OR LICENSED BY THE STATE IN ORDER TO COUNSEL MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH

46. REBUKE CHRISTIANS WHO DARE TO SAY THAT DEMONS ARE NOT FALLEN ANGELS OR REAL DEMONS OR MALE SPIRITUAL BEINGS, BUT ARCHETYPES OR FIGURES OF SPEECH

47. STAY IN CHURCHES THAT PROMOTE FALSE TEACHERS VS. FLEE (AS JOSEPH FLED POTIPHAR’S WIFE) OR “BE YE SEPARATE” DOCTRINE

48. “CONSIDER BEING OR SOMETHING POSITIVE, RATHER THAN ARMING YOURSELF AND LASHING OUT AGAINST EVERYTHING YOU THINK IS NEGATIVE, YOUR APPROACH COMES ACROSS HATEFUL AND ACCUSATORY AND PEOPLE WILL NOT BE PERSUADED.” OR: “REBUKE, SCORN, ATTACK, BEAR FALSE, RETALIATE, SUPPLY NO EVIDENCE, AND DISHONOR AN ELDER, BUT DO NOT INTREAT HIM AS A FATHER” VS. “REBUKE NOT AN ELDER, BUT INTREAT HIM AS A FATHER; AND THE YOUNGER MEN AS BRETHREN” I TIMOTHY 5:1

49. REFUSE CORRECTION AND IGNORE GOOD BEREANS WHO CONFRONT OR APPROACH YOU, AS OCCURED IN THIS APPEAL BEING PRESENTED TO PASTOR SAM RAINER OF THE FOLLOWING CHURCH AS WELL AS HIS FATHER THOM RAINER:

50. GIVE HEED TO THE FOLLOWING COULD BE THE MOST SEDUCTIVE REASONING I HAVE EVER HEARD…LAY GUILT ON AND SUCK CHRISTIANS AND THE CHURCH INTO SOCIALISM:

“The call to shepherd a church is a call to shepherd the community. When God led me to West Bradenton, he not only gave me a responsibility for pastoring a church but also a responsibility to serve our community. Churches are not islands in the community, set up to isolate believers from the ails of society. The walls of the church are not protective barriers to community problems. Quite the opposite—the church should be the vehicle by which people are sent into the hardest, darkest parts of the neighborhood.” Sam Rainer, ERLC and Pastor of West Bradenton Southern Baptist Church. Source: https://erlc.com/resource-library/articles/how-we-became-the-heroin-church
Sounds a whole a lot like a call to socialism to me? SO much for Paul’s command for the church to not govern the affairs outside of the church. So the walls of the church are not suppose to be a barrier to false teachers? The clarion call sounds just like what Judas the Traitor proposed to Jesus. And so much for the Doctrine of Separation and commandments to Flee. So much for the Proverbs 5:8 “Keep to a path far from her, do not go near the door of her house,” warning to not even go near the door of the Harlot’s home, or the Witch of Endor’s lair, psychotherapists, which are the “darkest parts of the neighborhood”, then the solution is to bring in literal Fentanyl drug users and then feed them Spiritual Fentanyl. Then compare Sam Rainer’s quote and article to Pastor Eric Douma’s sermon on the biblical view of socialism at:

https://www.ggf.church/sermons/sermon/2018-02-25/proper-role-of-governmentromans-13:1-7

*TO SEE HOW YOUR CHURCH RANKS, GIVE YOURSELF 2 POINTS FOR YES TO EACH QUESTION. BUT REMEMBER, MANY OF THE QUESTIONS OVERLAP OR ARE COMBINATIONS.  THEN MULTIPLY YOUR TOTAL OF YES ANSWERS TIME 2 FOR YOUR FINAL SCORE. MAXIMUM POSSIBLE PERFECT SCORE IS 100. IF YOU SCORED 100, THEN YOU ARE TOTALLY APOSTATE AND GOD HAS TURNED YOU OVER TO DELIGHT IN YOUR DELUSION! THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT WITH A SPIRITUAL LITMUS TEST, IT ONLY TAKES ONE DROP OF FENTENAYL (VIOLATION OF JUST ONE SCRIPTURE) OR ONE OF THE 50 QUESTIONS SUCH AS ISAIAH 53:6 OR MATTHEW 7:23 TO SCORE 100 TO CAUSE ETERNAL SPIRITUAL DEATH, I.E. SPIRITUAL DEATH VS. SPIRITUAL HEALTH!
THEREFORE, I EXHORT AND ENTREAT YOU TO SEE IF ANY OF THE ABOVE LIST IS GOING ON IN YOUR CHURCH AND TAKE THE APPROPRIATE STEPS AND OBEY SCRIPTURE AND YOU WILL BE SET FREE FROM THE BONDAGE OF THE ARCH DECEIVER! THEN WARN EVERYONE!

TEN QUESTIONS FOR CELEBRATE RECOVERY LEADERS DECALOG

Do you believe in the Bible alone (Sola Scriptura) for spiritual guidance, or do you believe in a blend of the teachings of both God and man?  The following article by James Sundquist reveals how Rick Warren borrows from psychology in the Celebrate Recovery (CR) movement.  The CR plan ignores and overlooks several key scriptural principles, and adds a lot of fallen man’s philosophy.  James Sundquist has been heavily involved in discernment ministries for many years, he is author of several books including “Who’s Driving The Purpose Driven Church,” and is endorsed by John MacArthur.

Colossians 2:8, KJV: “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”

Blessings, Pastor Steve  <><

TEN QUESTIONS FOR CELEBRATE RECOVERY LEADERS
DECALOG

PRINCIPALITIES OR GRACE?

DOES CR STAND FOR CELEBRATE RECOVERY
OR COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY?

 

Read the following expose on Celebrating Recovery by James Sundquist:

TEN QUESTIONS FOR CELEBRATE RECOVERY LEADERS
DECALOG
PRINCIPALITIES OR GRACE?
DOES CR STAND FOR CELEBRATE RECOVERY
OR COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY?

I. Rick Warren: “Personal stories are also easier to relate to than principles, and people
love to hear them.” Then why are there 8 “principles” to recovery at the heart of his
Celebrate Recovery program instead of 8 “personal stories”? And why is John Maxwell
whose central core doctrine is “principles”, Warren’s key partner in his Global Peace
Plan? Maxwell’s principles are the first E for how to equip leaders in Warren’s
P.E.A.C.E. Plan. So then why does Warren have E for the principles to equip leaders
yet he publishes “7 Key Principles for Every Project” instead of personal stories in his
acronym and 7 key personal stories for every project? Personal stories are at the heart of
AA and CR, but how is it even possible to conduct these meetings without gossiping and
talebearing, forbidden in Scripture? Speaking of “persons”, did Christ teach Principles
or the Person of Christ? He is the “way the truth and the life”. So if Warren’s “story”
that people love to hear, that his Purpose Driven Life book is “bestselling nonfiction
hardback book in history” is forensically untrue and is a false claim: Proof of book sales
ranking chart:
https://amos37.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BestSellingRankingListinHistory.pdf,
and false advertising is a crime according to the FTC Statute # 15 U.S. Code § 54,
then why should why should anyone trust him with his Celebrate Recovery and believe
it is also not fake news, or have hope in his Daily Hope radio program?

II. In reading the CR 12 Steps, where is the Blood of Jesus? (Can’t find it in a Google
Search or search on CR’s website). Scripture teaches that Christ’s blood is how we draw
near to Christ, so how do you draw near to Christ without taking this step as the most
important step? Scripture teaches that we are purchased by Christ’s blood, but there is
no Scripture where we have to purchase anything to be saved or sanctified, both are
gifts. A person who lives to be 80 statistically walks about two hundred million steps.
So if they become a Christian at 40, they walk approximately a hundred million steps as
a Christian if they live to be 80. Since “the steps of the righteous man are ordered by the
Lord”, why does CR have only 12 steps, and even those are works. How is the required
“working the steps” not works?

III. The Beatitudes present the pathway to blessings, but why is their no warning or
discussion about the steps that will cursed which Christ (Matthew 7:21-23)
and the Apostle Paul (Galatians 1:8) put the greatest emphasis on? Couldn’t Paul have
not been so brutal and offer the Judaizers a type of 12 Step Recovery Program for their
hurts, habits, and hangups, so they could celebrate? Where is the warning of the
doctrines of demons and seducing spirits in CR 12 Steps, or in their website search
engine that the Apostle John commanded to not give heed to? And where is the Wrath
of God (e.g., God’s Global Warming vs. Man’s that Warren signed) in the 12 Steps or
anywhere on CR website? Since part of the Gospel is about the Judgment that we are
averting, shouldn’t that be one of the first things presented at a CR meeting?

IV. If Roman Catholic doctrine anathematizes all Protestants, why are they embracing a
spiritual program created and promoted and sold by two Protestant pastors? If
Protestants like Warren and Baker are anathematized by Roman Catholic Doctrine, how
could they ever recover or celebrate unless (in their minds) unless Rick Warren and
Founder, John Baker convert to RC? This would be like going to the witch of Endor to
get counsel and comfort. And what do they recover and celebrate if they take CR that is
not provided in the RC Sacraments?

V. If the Reformation leaders taught that the Pope and RC are antichrist, why is Rick
Warren silent about this and does not tell them that Celebrate Recovery can’t work on
antichrists? If CR is so successful, why are Catholics who take CR still Catholics after
they take the program? Wouldn’t true repentance deliver them? And where has CR
marked false teachers and named names (i.e., Bill Wilson and Carl Jung), identify false
teachers and religions (the foundation of AA and hence the foundation of CR), as
Scripture commands? Does CR tell you this in its training? You can judge a tree by its
roots (as well as by its fruit). The roots of CR are AA, and the roots of AA false
religions and teachers. And Jesus said a thorn-bush can’t produce figs. AA is a thornbush, so aren’t you eating the fruit of a poisonous tree?

VI. If the Apostle Paul says being a drunkard (alcoholic) “such WERE some of you”,
before becoming born again Christians, but now they are no longer drunkards, then why
does AA (the foundation of CR) teach that you are an alcoholic for life even if you are
sober and never take another drink for 30 years or the rest of your life? So there is no
cleansing you of ALL unrighteousness (habits, hurts, and hangups) in CR? CR’s
foundation is AA, Christ is the alleged superstructure vs. true Christianity where Christ
is the foundation and there is no other foundation.

VII. If you never recover in your lifetime, what is there to celebrate?

VIII. Where in Scripture is repentance accomplished via a formalized group program
like CR vs. individually? Many repented simultaneously at the same time in many
cases, but not because of interactive, structured programs, confidentiality, or cost.
Where is the confidentiality in a public profession of faith, and where is the
confidentiality in Matthew 18, if the person does not repent so we are required to tell the
whole church?

IX. Where are there 12 steps in Scripture and what is deficient or missing in 2 Timothy
3:16 that says Scripture is sufficient for all good works and the perfecting of saints and
being thoroughly equipped for every good work, for two thousand years. And how is
Pastor Hess Hester, the leader of CR for pastors unable to obey the Scripture “Be kind
and tender to one another. Forgive each other, just as God forgave you because of
what Christ has done” Eph. 4:32, without and before CR or 12 Steps according to his
testimony? If you are thoroughly equipped for every good work with Scripture alone,
how is CR even needed? And how does it not usurp this very Scripture?

X. Though one can attend a CR meeting without cost, the materials kit at the CR
meetings for the package, even discounted, typically cost $89.99 (and more money for
leadership training). There are specific examples of paying money for counseling or
spiritual equipping in the Bible, but both examples were condemned: Saul consulting the
Witch of Endor in the Old Testament, and Simony in the New Testament. So if the Lord
told Isaiah (Isa. 55:1) and Jesus Christ is right when he said in Revelation:
“The Spirit and the bride say, “Come ” And let the one who hears say, “Come ”
And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life
without cost.” Revelation 22:17
you could obtain everything you need in Christ freely, how are all of those Christians
who believe and obey Christ’s own words, lacking anything by never participating or
paying any money in a Celebrate Recovery meeting or program? And even if you pay
money, the statistics on AA recovery vs. returning to drinking are catastrophic: 95%
return to drinking. Would you invest in a stock that has a 95% failure rate of return?

Rick Warren Challenges Christians That They Are Not Fit For The Kingdom If They Study Bible Prophecy

Even Steven

I have no idea what additional proof one would need in order to discern that Rick Warren is a false prophet, pure and simple.  He has the audacity to believe that the Purpose Driven movement is bringing in a New Reformation, hence as we follow this track, his thinking is that he is a modern day Martin Luther.  To Rick, the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and the Millenium are small potatoes, because like Ford, he has a better idea.

Perhaps he envisions himself as a Protestant Pope of some sort, and when he speaks “ex cathedra,” his words supersede Holy Writ.  Rick’s time is spent hobnobbing with Muslim clerics, the Pope, various United Nations affiliates, involvement with a plethora of social concerns, meeting the leaders from all religions, and spending time with an additional assortment of political VIP’s throughout the world.  (This sounds like a purely social “gospel” to…

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Rick Warren Challenges Christians That They Are Not Fit For The Kingdom If They Study Bible Prophecy

I have no idea what additional proof one would need in order to discern that Rick Warren is a false prophet, pure and simple.  He has the audacity to believe that the Purpose Driven movement is bringing in a New Reformation, hence as we follow this track, his thinking is that he is a modern day Martin Luther.  To Rick, the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and the Millenium are small potatoes, because like Ford, he has a better idea.

2 Vintage Ford Spoof on had Better get Idea Car Cloth Patch New NOS 1970s |  eBay

Perhaps he envisions himself as a Protestant Pope of some sort, and when he speaks “ex cathedra,” his words supersede Holy Writ.  Rick’s time is spent hobnobbing with Muslim clerics, the Pope, various United Nations affiliates, involvement with a plethora of social concerns, meeting the leaders from all religions, and spending time with an additional assortment of political VIP’s throughout the world.  (This sounds like a purely social “gospel” to me.  It rings of one who, instead of pointing people to Christ, is attempting to bring in the New World Order).  Many of my fellow Southern Baptists drink his KoolAid, only because he is a Southern Baptist.  I have learned long ago, however, that the Bible and its’ precious truth therein, takes priority over the philosophies of men.  
(New American Standard Bible
“See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.”  Colossians 2:8).  Do you believe whatever “big name” leaders say, simply because they sell a lot of books?  Or are you a noble Berean, always searching the scriptures to see if these things are so?  (Acts 17:11).  Rick Warren is severely criticized at every Prophecy Conference that I have ever attended.  Why?  Because he scoffs at prophecy and Christians who cherish end times events.  Sorry Rick, my Bible says there is a crown for those who look forward to His soon return.  Rick is a litmus test and an indictment of the Biblical illiteracy of today’s Christian Church.  Rick has other ideas.  He has a whole inventory of false teachings, here is yet another…

Maranatha, Pastor Steve  <><

From Lighthouse Trails Website…

Highlighted in red are statements that clarify Warren’s false teachings:

Rick Warren Says Those Who Focus on Bible Prophecy “Not fit for the kingdom of God”

By Roger Oakland

Many who were once looking for the return of Jesus have fallen asleep. We now live in a period of time where numerous prominent Christian leaders are telling the Christian masses that paying attention to the signs of our times in light of the Bible is a waste of time. And many of them take it a step further and accuse those who believe what Bible prophecy says about the end of the age of being negative and self-centered.

In the Purpose Driven Life, Rick  Warren was actually laying ground work for the emerging church’s new reformation, a reformation that rejects thinking about the return of Christ and works more at convincing the multitudes that Christ is already in them as a global christ-consciousness. As you will see in the following documentation, Warren has a low regard for Bible prophecy. Perhaps this helps explain why so many who once were anticipating the return of the Lord have become occupied with worldly ambitions. Warren writes:

When the disciples wanted to talk about prophecy, Jesus quickly switched the conversation to evangelism. He wanted them to concentrate on their mission in the world. He said in essence, “The details of my return are none of your business. What is your business is the mission I have given you. Focus on that!” (PDL, p. 285)

I find it simply astounding that a statement of this sort would be in a New York Times best-seller in the present-day Christian book market. Jesus was telling the disciples they could not know the day or the hour, but nowhere does Jesus ever indicate that “the details of my return are none of your business.” Rather than quickly changing the subject, we find in Matthew 24 and Luke 21 two of the longest passages in Scripture quoting Jesus’ own words, and what’s more, where He details the signs of His coming. In essence, Jesus was saying, because you cannot know the day and hour of my return, you need to educate yourself in Bible prophecy and take heed of my words about the end times. Later on, one of those disciples, John, was given an entire book to write on the details of Jesus’ coming. Jesus continually said to be alert and ready for when He returns. In both parables and straightforward talk, he spoke of this. In Luke 12:35-40, Jesus emphasized that it is essential to be prepared for His return:

Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching:… And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

And Jesus frequently referred to the Old Testament prophecies. Those prophecies became the evidence that Jesus Christ was indeed whom He said He was–“Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6).

But Rick Warren tells readers to think about something other than Bible prophecy: “If you want Jesus to come back sooner, focus on fulfilling your mission, not figuring out prophecy.”

Warren ends this section of his book by stating that Satan would have you “sidetracked from your mission” and by quoting Jesus out of context, saying, “Anyone who lets himself be distracted [by studying Bible prophecy] from the work I plan for him is not fit for the kingdom of God” (Living Bible). But Jesus was not referring to His return when He made that statement, which in the King James Version says: “No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God” (Luke 9:62). The Purpose Driven kingdom of God leaves no room for Bible prophecy, and in fact, condemns those who study it. The apostle Peter, inspired by the Holy Spirit, had a different view. He writes:

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts. (II Peter 1:19)

Christians are called to witness and be watchmen. No Scripture exists that tells us to ignore the events that have been pointed out as signposts indicating the return of Jesus. If we do, we might be like the foolish virgins who fell asleep waiting for the bridegroom (Matthew 25:1-13).

In light of Rick Warren’s end-time views [and his steady embracing of contemplative authors], what does he think of the emerging church? This statement he made in the foreword of Dan Kimball’s book, The Emerging Church, answers that question. Warren notes:

Today seekers are hungry for symbols and metaphors and experiences and stories that reveal the greatness of God. Because seekers are constantly changing, we must be sensitive to them like Jesus was; we must be willing to meet them on their own turf and speak to them in ways they understand. (p. 8)

Rick Warren is enthusiastic about the emerging church because he believes it is the church of the future. And … the emerging church is equally fond of Warren’s view of Bible prophecy, or the omission thereof, and of his plan to usher in the kingdom of God. (From Faith Undone, Roger Oakland, pp. 154-157)


The following quotes are by those who promote contemplative and/or emerging spirituality and share similar views on the return of Christ:

If you want Jesus to come back sooner, focus on fulfilling your mission, not figuring out prophecy. (Rick Warren, PDL, pp. 285-286)

Tony Campolo says that Christians who “make a big thing of their claim that we are now living in the final stage of church history prior to the second coming of Christ” have been the cause of “extremely detrimental” consequences. They “discount the Sermon on the Mount,” they don’t care about the needy, and they have had such a negative “impact on geopolitics,” which Campolo says “can lead only to war.” Basically, according to Campolo they are the reason the world is in such a mess, and they are holding back progress of a more emerging spirituality. (Faith Undone, p. 160, quoting Campolo, Speaking My Mind)

It is time that the church woke up to its true mission, which is to materialize the kingdom of God on earth, today, here and now…. People are no longer interested in a possible heavenly state or a probable hell. They need to learn that the kingdom is here, and must express itself on earth … The way into that kingdom is the way that Christ trod. It involves the sacrifice of the personal self for the good of the world, and the service of humanity …(Occultist, Alice Bailey)

Robert Schuller’s advice to young church leaders would seem to apply to new apostolic Christians: “Don’t let eschatology stifle your long-term thinking.” (C. P. Wagner, quoted in False Christ Coming: Does Anybody Care?

We are not eschatological Theonomists or Classic Dispensationalists (e.g. Scofield) and believe that divisive and dogmatic certainty surrounding particular details of Jesus Second Coming are unprofitable speculation, because the timing and exact details of His return are unclear to us. (Mark Driscoll, Acts 29 Network

Former New Age follower, Warren Smith explains what happened to him and how he came to understand the significance of Bible prophecy in light of Christ’s return:

Coming out of New Age teachings, I had learned in a very personal way that the details of Jesus’ return are definitely our business. Understanding the events surrounding His return was critical to understanding how badly I had been deceived by my New Age teachings. I had learned from reading the Bible that there is a false Christ on the horizon and that for a number of years I had unknowingly been one of his followers. Because the Bible’s clear authoritative teachings about the real Jesus and His true return had been brought to my attention, I was able to see how deceived I was. By understanding that there is a false Christ trying to counterfeit the true Christ’s return, I was able to renounce the false Christ I had been following and commit my life to the true Jesus Christ. (from Deceived on Purpose, p. 147)

In the Bible in the Book of Revelation, it says that Satan will deceive the whole world (Revelation 12:9). The emerging church movement has three essential elements that are consistent throughout the movement that may help this great deception to occur:

1. The embracing of mysticism
2. The belief that the kingdom of God will be established on earth BEFORE Christ returns.
3. The rejection of eschatology (the study of the end-times and Bible prophecy relating to it).

The combination of these three things could help to bring about the great falling away of which the Bible speaks. We pray that every Bible-believing Christian will be able to comprehend these things and warn their families and loved ones.

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.” (II Thessalonians 2:3)

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.” (I Timothy 4:1)

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