March 08, 2017 The Seeker-Friendly, Purpose-Driven Cornucopia of False Doctrine

A Blog by Steven Kozar

“For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.”
— 2 Timothy 4:3-4
March 08, 2017
The Seeker-Friendly, Purpose-Driven Cornucopia of False Doctrine

The “attractional” church model is so common that it’s practically the norm; most Christians have assumed that it is the only valid way to “do church” nowadays, or they don’t even know that other legitimate options exist. What is it? Simply put, this model of church starts with the idea that “normal” church is unattractive and can’t bring in new people, so exciting new ideas must be implemented in order to get people in the door. Once people show up for the attractive and entertaining aspects, they’ll eventually hear a gospel message and they’ll “accept Jesus in their hearts” (or something to that effect).
This philosophy makes a number of assertions and assumptions right from the start:
The needs and sensibilities of the unbeliever should determine the strategy of the church.
All of the churches in history (up till now) were doing it wrong: too old-fashioned, too boring, too stiff, too negative, too much doctrine, too ritualistic, etc.
People would be glad to go to church, but it’s just too “churchy.” All we need to do is tone down all the religious stuff, make it fun and “relevant” and people will show up.
A church should focus on meeting people’s needs through “life skills,” “success,” “psychological therapy” and “leadership” training, and it should help it’s members become “purpose-driven” people who can “accomplish their destiny.” A church doesn’t need to preach repentance and the forgiveness of sins anymore; or if it does, it must radically alter the language to appease unbelievers.

Numerical growth is proof of God’s blessing; lack of numerical growth is proof that God is not involved.
In order to build the church, God needs “vision-casting” pastors, and these pastors must then command their followers to do the work required by the “vision” that God gave them.

Robert Schuller (1926-2015) is probably the man most responsible for establishing the Attractional, Seeker-Friendly, Purpose-Driven church model; although a case could be made that Henry Emerson Fosdick (1878-1969) really laid the foundation. Schuller removed many of the “negative” aspects of Christianity like Christ dying on the cross to atone for our sin, hell, God’s anger and God’s wrath; and replaced it with the Positive Thinking philosophy he borrowed directly from his mentor, Norman Vincent Peale (1898-1993). Here’s an article with more detail: Robert Schuller and The Seeker Sensitive Church-The Roots and Fruits of Robert Schuller’s Version of Theological Liberalism by Bob DeWaay
At a very fundamental level, Schuller believed that because modern people didn’t care about their eternal salvation anymore, the church should reach them by appealing to the things that did matter to them; things like their self-esteem and their earthly success and happiness.
“The church must develop a theology for mission. I don’t think it’s done that. I accept John 3:16 as a good one if people have a fear of hell. Maybe they have, but I find a lot of secular people haven’t. At what point can I find a button to push so that I can reach them? I think their desire for self-esteem is that button.”
— Robert Schuller interviewed in Christianity Today, Aug. 10,1984
“I don’t think anything has been done in the name of Christ and under the banner of Christianity that has proven more destructive to human personality and hence counterproductive to the evangelistic enterprise than the unchristian, uncouth strategy of attempting to make people aware of their lost and sinful condition.”
— Robert Schuller “Dr. Schuller Comments,” (letter to the editor), Christianity Today, October 5, 1984, pp. 12-13

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A New Reformation? The Christian Research Institute Examines the Theology of Robert Schuller
After Schuller established the Crystal Cathedral and his T.V. Show “The Hour of Power” there were two young pastors who took his ideas and implemented them on an even larger scale: Bill Hybels and Rick Warren. Both of these men learned about growing a church directly from Schuller when they were starting their new churches. Although Schuller was often viewed with skepticism by many Evangelicals (because he had so clearly altered and reduced the Gospel message), both Hybels and Warren have maintained more mainstream reputations as genuine Evangelicals and have escaped much scrutiny. But when examined more carefully, the Mega-Church/Attractional model they brought to full fruition in Willow Creek Church (Hybels) and Saddleback Church (Warren) is not really an orthodox, Biblical Church; it’s a strange hybrid that ends up creating more problems than it solves.
Rick Warren and his wife, Kay, attended Robert Schuller’s “Institute for Church Growth” in 1979 while Warren was in his last year of seminary. In a 2002 interview for Christianity Today Magazine, Kay Warren said this of their visit to the institute: “He (Schuller) had a profound effect on Rick. We were captivated by his positive appeal to non-believers. I never looked back.” (Christianity Today, Nov. 18, 2002) Rick Warren, however, has been strangely silent about the obvious influence that Schuller has had on him.
A big problem with the Mega-Church message is that it’s a watered-down and neutered message. This Christianity is focused on meeting the “felt needs” of people, but the Gospel message is about how Christ gave His life as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. He didn’t die on the cross to give us purpose or make us successful. The true and complete Gospel must be preached so that people can hear the Word of God and can understand the weight of their sin; it’s only from that point that people have the opportunity to repent and have their sins forgiven. In the worse case, “Mega-Church” scenario, the message confuses people into thinking that becoming a Christian is simply “accepting” Jesus so that He can make you more complete, or more satisfied. As an example of this, Rick Warren had a chance to preach a gospel message to a gigantic audience at a TED Talk in 2008, but he choose to preach a feel-good, non-Christian message instead:
“So the good life is not about looking good, feeling good, or having the goods. It’s about being good and doing good. The bottom line is that God gets pleasure watching you be you. Why? He made you. And when you do what you are made to do, He goes, ‘That’s my boy.’ ‘That’s my girl.’ You are using the talent and the ability that God gave you. So my advice to you is look at what is in your hand, your identity, your influence, your income. And say, ‘It’s not about me; it’s about making the world a better place. Thank you.”
— Rick Warren, TED Talk, February, 2006
(Here’s the complete TED Talk given by Rick Warren in February, 2006)

Here’s an example of Andy Stanley freely admitting that he uses “attractional” messages to get people to attend his Mega-Church:
“People are not on a truth quest; they are on a happiness quest. They will continue to attend your church – even if they don’t share your beliefs – as long as they find the content engaging and helpful.”
— Andy Stanley
One of the most striking characteristics of the Attractive, Seeker-Friendly church is the constant emphasis on LEADERSHIP. This is not surprising, since much of the philosophy behind this church model is not based on the Bible-it’s based on business principles. The non-Christian business guru Peter Drucker (1909-2005) has probably had more influence on this idea of church than any single pastor. Read: Peter Drucker’s Mega-Church Legacy. Both Hybels and Warren refer to Drucker as their primary mentor. Here’s a quote from Bill Hybels book “Courageous Leadership” that clearly portrays his near-idolatry of leadership:
“I believe that the great tragedy of the church in our time has been its failure to recognize the importance of the spiritual gift of leadership. It appears to me that only a fraction of pastors worldwide are exercising the spiritual gift of leadership, organizing the church around it, and deploying church members through it. The results, in terms of church growth and worldwide spiritual impact, are staggering.”
— Bill Hybels
The following articles are from various people coming from various theological backgrounds who all agree that the “attractional” “seeker-friendly” “purpose-driven” church model should be reconsidered:
Redefining the Church-The Church Growth Movement’s Unbiblical Definition of the Church by Bob DeWaay
Straight Talk About the Seeker Church Movement by Grace to You Ministries
Schuller Planted, Hybels Watered, Warren (Peter Drucker) Gives The Increase by Orrel Steinkamp
Many Articles about the Unbiblical Nature of the Church Growth Movement by Deception in the Church
The Problems With The Purpose-Driven Definition of a Christ Follower
Why I Left Your Seeker-Friendly Church
The Church Growth Movement: An Analysis of Rick Warren’s “Purpose Driven” Church Growth Strategy by Dennis Castella
Seeker Movement on Critical Issues Commentary Radio (5 different shows)
The Faulty Premises of the Church Growth Movement on Critical Issues Commentary Radio (4 different shows)
Celebrity Pastor is Not a Biblical Church Office by Elliott Nesch
“Church… Business… What’s the Difference?” Confused Willow Creek Leadership Conference by Steven Kozar
Bill Hybels Talks About Popeye (Much) More Than Jesus in the Museum of Idolatry
Bill Hybels: “God Uses a Re-Crafted Schedule to Transform Lives” in the Museum of Idolatry
Resistance is Futile: You Will Be Assimilated Into the Community (Fighting for the Faith with more links)
The Andy Stanley Cornucopia of False Teaching, Fast Talking and Postmodern Ambiguity
Seeker-Sensual Church Growth (Fighting for the Faith Episode with Rosebrough, Kozar and Spreeman)
Purpose Driven Dismantling of Christianity by Marsha West

The following video from our friend Elliot Nesch, is probably the most careful and comprehensive examination of the mega-church model available on the internet. This is three hours of very important material; every Christian should watch this (and then watch it again!):

The following two videos are based on the excellent “White Horse Inn” radio program:

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Cornucopia
Seeker-Friendly, Purpose-Driven, Cornucopia

 

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An Examination of Rick Warren’s Teaching on “Exponential Growth”

Have you ever read or heard from someone who echoed your very words and thoughts?  That is how I felt as I read Brian Jonson’s expose on the error of Rick Warren.  Like Brian, I never finished Warren’s books because they were so theologically unsound.  Like Brian, I too noted Warren’s lack of the mention of the bedrock of our faith – repenting, becoming saved, born again and washed in His blood.  Like Brian, I am fascinated by the fact that the Southern Baptists have never held him accountable.  I could go on and on, but you get the picture.  

In Christ, Pastor Steve

 

 

An Examination of Rick Warren’s Teaching on “Exponential Growth”

by Brian Jonson

 

Rick Warren, pastor of the largest Southern Baptist Church in the world, has become a household name.  Author of the best selling book “Purpose-Driven Life”, he has more exposure both to the unsaved world and church than almost any other Christian author.  Clearly, when he speaks, people listen.  James 3:1 reminds us that teachers are under a different level of scrutiny from God than anyone else.  Tasked with being an evangel of the Good News, a minister must approach his calling with the utmost sobriety and care.  In this brief discussion, I have no intention of calling into question Rick Warren’s motives.  I have no reason to believe that he doesn’t love God, his church and the unsaved.  There is nothing in his life that leads me to believe he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.  However, the Bible encourages us to examine all things as Bereans and be discerning.  No one is above this Biblical examination.  The ends never justify the means when it comes to Christian ministry.

 

The video[1] on exponential growth, presented by Warren, is one of the most shocking teachings I have ever seen emerge from a Southern Baptist.  Our denomination is considered conservative and thoroughly Bible-based.  When a minister in the SBC presents philosophies or doctrines that are contrary to scripture, he must be rebuked.  This is true of the pastor of the smallest congregation as well as the largest.  The fact that Saddleback Church is the largest in our movement makes this action so much more urgent.

 

I am not ashamed to confess that I have never been a fan of The Purpose-Driven Life, Church or associated activities.  I read some of both of these books and, frankly, didn’t need to finish either one.  There are two distinct features present in Warren’s philosophy.  First, he relies on pragmatism and weak doctrine.  Second, he misuses scripture to such a degree that I question whether he had a single course in Biblical hermeneutics.

 

Pragmatism is the practice of relying on methods or techniques rather than our Sovereign Lord for results.  Pragmatism is the notion that meaning or worth is determined by practical consequences. It is the philosophy that looks to the world’s marketing methodologies or poll results rather than Biblical examples or mandates.  When determining how to “run” a church a Bible-based pastor will ask the question “what most honors God or is clearly revealed in Scripture” while the pragmatist will take a survey in the community.  One of Warren’s more famous actions is in the area of music.  He claims he polled the surrounding community and asked what their musical preference was.  After determining the popular consensus, he “got rid of the organ” and set up a rock band.  There is nothing unbiblical about a “rock” band, but making that determination based on a poll of unsaved people is a questionable method at best.  R.C. Sproul put it well when he said this:

 

The only seekers we tend to draw with seeker sensitive services are believers seeking a different church. By presenting a God who wants us to look at ourselves, who doesn’t judge and command, who has a wonderful set of insights on how to have a happy, healthy marriage we put God’s imprimatur on narcissism. There’s nothing evangelicals like more than to be told that God loves them just the way they are.

But why aren’t the seekers coming? They like pop music, so we give them pop music. They like stories so we give them dramas. They like anonymity, so we let them have it. They like convenience, so we’ll change their oil while they’re here (this by the way is being done). The problem is that we can do none of these things as well as the world can. Why get up on a Sunday morning and drive somewhere to listen to pop music, when it’s as close as my stereo? Why settle for cheesy scripts and sets when the television does it so much better? Why spend an hour getting an oil change when the pros can do it in ten minutes?[2]

 

Warren’s weak theology and misuse of scripture is significant and replete throughout his material.  Conspicuously absent in “The Purpose Driven Life” is a clear definition of what it is to be born-again.[3]  There is no question in my mind that this is one of the reasons it remains on the best-seller lists.  Perhaps the following quote is as close as Warren comes to explaining what it is to be redeemed:

 

“God won’t ask about your religious background or doctrinal views. The only thing that will matter is, did you accept what Jesus did for you and did you learn to love and trust him?” (Warren: 34).

 

Really?  If that is true, then the Mormons should take great comfort.  After urging his readers to believe God chose them and receive the Holy Spirit for power to “fulfill your life purpose” (Warren 58), he offers a little prayer that will save people. According to Warren, here is how you are saved: “I invite you to bow your head and quietly whisper the prayer that will change your eternity, ‘Jesus, I believe in you and I receive you.” Then he makes this promise, “If you sincerely meant that prayer congratulations! Welcome to the family of God!” (Warren: 59)

 

Where is the wrath of God against sinners?  Where is the atonement of the blood of Christ?  This is one example of Warren’s weak theology.

 

Regarding his misuse of scripture, consider the following:

 

“The Bible says, ‘Self-help is no help at all. Self-sacrifice is the way, my way, to finding yourself, your true self’” (Warren: 19).

 

The passage he quotes is Matthew 16:25.  The translation (or paraphrase) is from The Message.  The New King James reads “For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.”

 

Clearly, this passage is teaching that we are to consider our lives dead (carry our cross) daily in order to follow Christ.  This passage does not teach anything about self-help or self-esteem.  And yet, Warren makes an odd leap to just that when he says “It is about becoming what God created you to be” (Warren: 19).  This is simply untrue.

 

There are many examples of this type of error in his book.  Warren attended Robert Schuller’s school of church growth.   Schuller’s emphasis on self esteem and pragmatism are very clearly adopted in Warren’s philosophy.  Schuller endorsed “The Purpose Driven Church” in the first few pages.  How Warren could accept the endorsement of a man who has denied sin and completely lost the gospel is beyond me.

 

I would now like to discuss the “Exponential Thinking” video that I mentioned at the beginning.   This video is intended for pastors who are preparing for their “Purpose-Driven” church program.  In this 20 minute presentation, Rick Warren departs from sound hermeneutics over and over again.  From the first few sentences, I could easily have replaced this Southern Baptist with a modern Charismatic and would not have noticed a difference.  There was almost nothing Baptist about his brief discussion.

 

Here are some things Warren said in the first few minutes:

 

“…Most important principal – exponential thinking.”

 

“If you want God to do something really big in your church, you’re going to have to apply the principals of exponential thinking as taught in the Bible.”

 

“The Lord clearly put an idea in my mind…God spoke to me that my faith was not big enough…”you must think exponentially” was the thought that God kept putting in my mind.”

 

Now, my first thought is, “what is exponential thinking?”  He is asserting that it is “the most important principal” and so it is fair to examine this term as he defines it.  Essentially, Warren claims exponential thinking is “adding a zero” to whatever number you have in mind.  Let’s put this in context.  Warren is introducing a church growth strategy and claims this term is the most important principal.  What is the church?  Is the church an organization?  Is it a business?  Is it a non-profit benevolence organization?  Is it a counseling center?  No, the church is the living Body of Christ. It is not an organization; it is an organism.  Christ is the head and He is the responsible for its growth.  Consider Acts 2:46:

 

46 pSo continuing daily with one accord qin the temple, and rbreaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And sthe Lord added 8to the church daily those who were being saved.[4]

It seems clear to me that the “most important principal” of church growth is the sovereign oversight of the Lord Jesus Christ.  Warren’s strategy of exponential thinking supplants God’s role as the One Who ultimately grows His church.  No amount of strategies, gimmicks, persuasion or promises will result in true church growth.  Our sovereign Lord is the One responsible for that.

When Warren says “if you want God to do something really big…” then you have to think exponentially.  Also, he says “God spoke to me that my faith wasn’t big enough.”  I have to admit, when I saw him make these statements I instantly thought of the type of false teaching one sees on TBN any given day of the week.  Hebrews 1 says that “God…has in these last days spoken to us through His Son.”  No one hears the audible voice of God.  If Warren meant to say that he felt an impression that his faith wasn’t big enough, then he should be careful to word it that way.  A responsible Pastor shouldn’t be this careless.  Regardless of how it was worded, one must question whether it is a valid statement.  If God is the One who is responsible for growing His church, and no other method is therefore legitimate, then would God chastise Warren for a lack of faith in something he can’t do?  From the very beginning, his premise is faulty.  Nonetheless, he claims God gave Him 10 principles related to exponential growth.  They are:

 

  1. Exponential growth is possible – Gen. 47:27

 

With his first point, Warren begins the train wreck of faulty exegesis.

 

27 So Israel cdwelt in the land of Egypt, in the country of Goshen; and they had possessions there and dgrew and multiplied exceedingly.[5]

 

Somehow, Warren wants to take this passage out of context and attempts to apply it to a specific church growth program promise.  The Genesis passage simply states a fact; the children of Israel multiplied exceedingly, even exponentially.  However, this is directly tied to the fact that God specifically told Abraham that they would!  There is nothing revelatory here.   There is nothing related to Warren’s “40 Days of Purpose” program here.   Surprisingly, he analogously mentions Starbucks and Krispy Kreme as examples of why we should expect our churches to grow exponentially.  Instead of recognizing that the church is not a business, he compares it to two fast-growth companies.  Anyone with a reasonable amount of discernment should see the invalidity of this illustration.

 

  1. Exponential growth is the New Testament model – Acts 6:7

 

7 Then mthe word of God spread, and the number of the disciples multiplied greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many nof the priests were obedient to the faith.[6]

Warren takes a general statement about the Body of Christ and applies it to individual congregations.  Has the church grown exponentially since the book of Acts?  Certainly.  Should we expect that same growth in each congregation?  Nothing says we should.  By God’s Providence, there are Christian churches in nearly every community of America.  Many of these communities are very small.  Some of them are in dying towns.  Is it reasonable for a small, God-honoring church in a small town to experience exponential growth?  I would say no.  Does this mean the pastor’s faith is deficient?  I don’t think so.  Calling exponential growth a New Testament model is only accurate if one refers to the body of Christ as a whole and not individual congregations.

 

  1. Exponential growth brings honor to God – Is. 26:15

 

15 Thou hast increased the nation, O LORD, thou hast increased the nation: thou art glorified: thou hadst removed it far unto all the ends of the earth.[7]

 

 

This point is almost unnecessary.  No one questions the truth of what is stated here.  The passage in Isaiah is looking toward the prophetic reality that Israel would be increased after their captivity.  God would not forget them and He would restore them and return growth.  God will receive honor for that.  There is no direct application to an individual congregation here.  Worse, he makes the following statement regarding this point:

 

“We limit God when we think of addition instead of multiplication…God wants us to think in exponential terms”

 

He does?  Where does God say that in His Word?  The viewer is asked to accept this statement at face value without any support whatsoever.  Perhaps Warren relies on the fact that he has already indicated that he hears the very voice of God, so how can we question him?  The very suggestion that we “limit God” is blasphemous.  It is an ultimate affront to a Sovereign God to suggest that our actions, or inactions, somehow deny Him the ability to accomplish His purposes.  There is very, very bad theology here and I am afraid most viewers won’t even notice it.

 

  1. Exponential growth captures the attention of the unbelieving world – Ex. 1:12

 

12 But the more they afflicted them, the more they multiplied and grew. And they were grieved because of the children of Israel.[8]

 

Any layman bible student could identify this passage as meaningful only because of its context.  The Egyptian task-masters were laying a heavy burden on the enslaved Hebrews.  Because of the Abrahamic promise of phenomenal growth, the children of Israel continued to magnify in numbers in spite of their maltreatment.  The Egyptians were grieved because they witnessed this fact.  With complete mistreatment of God’s Word, Warren hurls this example into the New Testament age and says this, “Wouldn’t you like people…to be alarmed because your church is growing so fast?”  I don’t understand how Warren can ask this type of question.

 

  1. Exponential growth is caused by God – Deut. 1:10

 

10 The LORD your God has multiplied you, jand here you are today, as the stars of heaven in multitude.[9]

 

This passage is related to Israel, just as was the case in earlier points.  Nonetheless, his statement, “exponential growth is caused by God” is unarguably true.  My question for Warren is this:  If exponential growth is caused by God, then why are you teaching people how to achieve it by using your program?  I truly wonder if Warren is remotely aware of how he contradicts the purpose of his program by acquiescing to God’s sovereignty here.

 

  1. Exponential Growth is the result of God’s blessing on your life – Is. 51:2

 

2 Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him. [10]

 

Warren seems fixated with God’s promise to Abraham to magnify the Israelites, probably because it fits his thesis so well.  This technique, finding isolated or unrelated scriptures that support a particular thesis or position, is becoming more and more common among Southern Baptists.  When a pastor/teacher approaches the Word of God piecemeal instead of verse by verse and in context, he is in danger of serious interpretative errors.  This is a perfect example.  Additionally, the supposition he is making in point six is faulty.  It is a logical “if/then” statement.  If God blesses your life, then you will experience exponential growth.  He is attributing this growth to God’s blessing.  Then, he applies this to each church congregation equally.  As I said earlier, it is unreasonable to expect every local church to grow as Warren expects them to grow.  There are various demographic and certainly spiritual reasons why certain churches will not grow exponentially.  I’ll go so far as to say the Bible indicates growing apostasy in the last days, not a surge in church growth.  If anything, we might expect to see less growth since the Way is narrow.

 

  1. Exponential Growth makes God smile.  He rewards it  – no scripture reference

 

Warren referenced the parable of the talents after presenting this point.  Perhaps the reader has noticed what I noticed – if exponential growth is caused by God (see point 5) and if it brings God honor (point 3), then why is God rewarding man for it?  He is teaching how to cause exponential growth to occur but then says it is all up to God.  After saying it is all up to God he is claiming God will reward us for doing it.  This is contradictory and confusing, at best.

 

  1. The only barrier to exponential growth is our own unbelief – Mark 6:52

 

52 For ythey had not understood about the loaves, because their zheart was hardened.[11]

There is nothing in the above verse that relates to whether or not a local church will experience a specific amount of growth.  Does our lack of faith limit God?  No, certainly not.  Does our lack of faith limit our effectiveness or restrict what God may do through us?  That question deserves careful theological consideration.  On at least one occasion our Lord limited the miracles that he did based on a lack of man’s faith (Mark 6:5, 6).  However we deal with this issue, we can be sure it doesn’t apply as Warren supposes.  God is sovereign over His church; He is the one who causes growth.  Warren is making this a responsibility of man.

 

  1. The secret of exponential growth is believing God for big things – Mat. 9:29; James 5:16

 

29 Then He touched their eyes, saying, “According to your faith let it be to you.”[12]

 

16 1Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. sThe effective, 2fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. [13]

 

Warren’s promise in this point is contingent upon the validity of the concept of “exponential growth.”  As we are discovering, the entire premise is wrong and, therefore, this comment is irrelevant.  The passages he has provided are particularly instructive here.  It is true that our belief in God can/will result in “big things”.  Physical healing as part of Messianic prophecy and having our sins forgiven are essential biblical elements.  Believing God for a local church growth program is something else entirely.

 

  1. Exponential Growth begins with exponential thinking – Is. 4:2,3

 

2 In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautifula and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel. 3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:[14]

 

I am unable to find the connection between Warren’s tenth point and this passage from Isaiah.

 

When I read a statement like this, I think immediately of Norman Vincent Peale or Robert Schuller.  This type of “change reality with your thoughts” is from the charismatic word faith heresy.  There is no excuse for a Southern Baptist minister to be dabbling in these issues.  Unfortunately, the popularity of his books and programs appear to have numbed the doctrinal discernment of millions of evangelicals.  In my view, a statement such as this should set off red alarms immediately.

 

As if these ten points aren’t enough, Warren then spends a couple of minutes explaining how to utilize exponential thinking.  Here are some quotes:

 

“How do you think exponentially?  You simply put a zero behind the number.”

 

He said God said to him, “you are not thinking big enough – add a zero”.  Instead of 3000, think of 30,000.  He recommends we do this in our events.  “God would have to show up…force us to think in ways we’ve never thought before.”

 

“exponential thinking keeps you from making the mistake of setting up a system that won’t get bigger.”  He said the church is “stuck in a shoe that isn’t able to get any bigger.”  This is due to our faulty thinking.

 

“Pastors and leaders…you are limiting the growth of your church because you haven’t set a goal that forces you to think out of the box and … do things in new ways.”  “We may be limiting God’s will for our churches.” “Faith stretches us…works in the realm of the impossible…whatsoever is not of faith is sin.”

 

Please read these quotes again.  These statements are not being made by an Oral Roberts or Benny Hinn; they are uttered by the pastor of the largest church in the Southern Baptist Convention.  Where is the accountability?  Who is rebuking Warren on his faulty doctrine and man-centered theology?  How does this kind of program enjoy such acceptance?  I believe the answer is pragmatism.  Many pastors are unhappy and even depressed with their smaller congregations.  They feel as if preaching the Word expositionally is not interesting enough.  They see a Rick Warren take off his socks and put on a Hawaiian shirt and think the power of God is behind it.  There is a famine of the Word of God in our land.  There is no famine of mega-churches or Rick Warren’s books.  And, I fear that those who are trying to subsist on a diet of “purpose-driven” philosophy will find their ears tickled and spiritual strength gone.

 

 

[1] http://purposedriven.com/content.aspx?id=4903

[2] R.C. Sproul at http://www.glenwoodhillsbiblechurch.org/article.asp?ID=621&CatName=The%20Church

[3] Having admitted I never finished his book, I nonetheless support this statement based on discussions I’ve had with Christians who have read it and can confirm this point.

p Acts 1:14

q Luke 24:53

r Luke 24:30; Acts 2:42; 20:7; [1 Cor. 10:16]

s Acts 5:14

8 NU omits to the church

[4]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 . Thomas Nelson: Nashville

c Gen. 47:11

d Gen. 17:6; 26:4; 35:11; 46:3; Ex. 1:7; Deut. 26:5; Acts 7:17

[5]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 . Thomas Nelson: Nashville

m Acts 12:24; Col. 1:6

n John 12:42

[6]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 . Thomas Nelson: Nashville

[7]The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 . Logos Research Systems, Inc.: Oak Harbor, WA

[8]The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 . Logos Research Systems, Inc.: Oak Harbor, WA

j Gen. 15:5; 22:17; Ex. 32:13; Deut. 7:7; 10:22; 26:5; 28:62

[9]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 . Thomas Nelson: Nashville

[10]The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 . Logos Research Systems, Inc.: Oak Harbor, WA

y Matt. 16:9–11; Mark 8:17, 18

z Is. 63:17; Mark 3:5; 16:14

[11]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 . Thomas Nelson: Nashville

[12]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 . Thomas Nelson: Nashville

1 NU Therefore confess your sins

s Num. 11:2

2 supplication

[13]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 . Thomas Nelson: Nashville

a beautiful…: Heb. beauty and glory

[14] The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 . Logos Research Systems, Inc.: Oak Harbor, WA

 

 

Quotable Quotations ~ Norman Vincent Peale And The Apostle Paul

Norman Vincent Peale is known best for his book “The Power Of Positive Thinking.”  It is too bad he could not have given an autographed copy to Job.  Norman Vincent Peale was the initiator of an unbiblical and man centered psycobabble religion.  Peale mentored Robert Schuller and Robert Schuller taught Rick Warren.  They are all best known for their deviations from solid Biblical theology.  Each of these men built on the man made philosophies of their respective predecessor.

The Apostle Paul was the giant of the New Testament, responsible for writing thirteen epistles, converting a jailor, planting churches all around the Mediterranean Sea, and turning the world upside down.  He is indeed the quintessential Apostle.

As we compare these men who are polar opposites, we find that:  “Norman Vincent Peale was very appalling, whereas the Apostle Paul was appealing.”  Enough said.

Proverbs 17:22a King James Version (KJV)
A merry heart doeth good like a medicine:

Yours In Christ, Pastor Steve   <><

Two Entire Books Exposing Some Of The Falsehoods Taught By Rick Warren

The following two books were written by James Sunquist, friend of this blog author, and reveal some of the falsehoods in the teachings of Rick Warren:

1)Who’s Driving The Purpose Driven Church?  A Documentary On The Teachings Of Rick Warren

2)Rick Warren’s Global PEACE Plan Vs. Scriptural Teachings On Peace

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Simply key the following link, and then key 1)Who’s Driving The Purpose Driven Church and 2) Rick Warren’s Global Peace Plan  You can read the two books in their entirety:

https://procinwarn.com/james-sundquist/

Peter Wehner: ” Why I Can No Longer Call Myself an Evangelical Republican .”

Peter Wehner, former President George W. Bush’s speech writer and senior adviser to Mitt Romney’s 2012 presidential campaign, opined in the New York Times on Sunday, ” Why I Can No Longer Call Myself an Evangelical Republican.”

I don’t know Peter Wehner.

But it’s strange; I would have thought that the final straw for evangelical Wehner might have been his boss, President George W. Bush in England in 2003, equating Jehovah and false god Allah as the same God:

EXHIBIT A

Q Thank you, Mr. President, Mr. Prime Minister. Mr. President, when you talk about peace in the Middle East, you’ve often said that freedom is granted by the Almighty. Some people who share your beliefs don’t believe that Muslims worship the same Almighty. I wonder about your views on that.

And, Mr. Prime Minister, as a man also of faith, I’d like to get your reaction to that.

PRESIDENT BUSH: I do say that freedom is the Almighty’s gift to every person. I also condition it by saying freedom is not America’s gift to the world. It’s much greater than that, of course. And I believe we worship the same God . (11/20/03)

EXHIBIT B

Or as if that weren’t enough, Laura Bush’s deceit and hypocrisy from 2000-2008 — keeping quiet through two presidential campaigns so her husband could be elected and reelected; and misrepresenting her position on same-sex marriage and abortion:

First Lady Supportive of Gay Rights and Abortion Rights — not Michelle Obama, but Laura Bush!

EXHIBIT C

Or Ken Mehlman — former White House Political Director, former Bush/Cheney 2004 Campaign Manager, and former RNC Chairman 2005-2007 — who paraded himself (once he left Washington, DC) as homosexual and led the amicus brief advocating homosexual marriage, in the Obergefell vs. Hodges case, before the Supreme Court in 2015.

Karl Rove and Ken Mehlman framed the BUSH/CHENEY 2004 reelect on “Family Values” as they placed same-sex marriage bans on the ballots in AR, GA, KY, MI, MS, MT, ND, OH, OK, OR, and UT.

Following the Bush 43′ reelection victory we learned that the showcasing of “moral virtue” by the BUSH/CHENEY 04′ campaign was a ruse. Machiavellian to the core, “Political expediency placed above morality and the use of craft and deceit to maintain the authority and carry out the policies of a ruler.”

Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee led the Arkansas initiative. He emailed me following the 2004 charade:

“Looking back, we all now know we were played for chumps as we led sincere efforts to pass Constitutional amendments in our states (I led one in 2004 that won by 70%), only to now realize that those running the White House didn’t respect or even agree with the principles involved – just knew it would drive voters to the polls and help turnout and win.”

EXHIBIT D

Or Cindy McCain advocating for homosexual marriage in 2010, after her husband was the Republican presidential nominee in 2008. Why didn’t she say this when her husband was campaigning for President in 2007-2008?

You see the pattern here, one thing they all have in common — like candidate Barack Hussein Obama at the Saddleback Presidential Debate in 2008 — deceit, so as to be elected:

Obama: “I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian-for me-for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix.”

Warren: “Forty million abortions, at what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?”

Obama: “Well, you know, I think that whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade.”

It speaks to character: veracity — “habitual truthfulness”.

As to Peter Wehner, a “NeverTrumper”, he has become so obsessed with Donald Trump that, like a drunk, it has impaired his vision. Wehner cannot see the real crisis, which would be there even if Trump wasn’t, and that’s the reason the New York Times accords him that perch, as a ” dupe of Secularism.”

There is good news; Gideons and Rahabs are beginning to stand.

David Lane
American Renewal Project

 

Rick Warren’s Heresy And Lies Are Further Unveiled ~ Compiled By James Sundquist

II. RICK WARREN’S SHAPE DISCOVERY 301 CLASS BASED ON CARL JUNG’S PERSONALITY THEORY:

Proof:

And here is proof that his SHAPE Personality Profile is based on the foundation of Carl Jung’s Personality Theory he obtained from a spirit-guide named Philemon (published in two conservative Christian Theological Journals):
https://procinwarn.com/james-sundquist/
(see color charts)

And here is the article:
http://njiat.com/JunePDFs/Personality%20Profiling_Jungian%20Analysis%20of%20Rick%20Warren%27s%20SHAPE%20Personality%20Profiling.pdf

But this can be verified by a number of sources.

III. 2017 UPDATE ON RICK WARREN’S GLOBAL PEACE PLAN
RICK WARREN/KAGAME GLOBAL PEACE PLAN ALLIANCE

Now there are 196 countries in the world. Rick Warren identified Purpose Driven Countries, based on his list of even potential Purpose Driven Countries from above list, is twelve nations. 12 divided by 196 = .06 or 6% of the world’s countries that would be in Rick Warren’s matrix. Again this is assuming that every single country on his Global Peace Plan is, or has gone Purpose Driven Country. The only country that is in reality listed as an official PDC Country is Rwanda, which has now rejected him, and the Rwandan Embassy in Washington D.C. Confirmed on March 16, 2017, said there is no official connection to Rick Warren’s regarding calling Rwanda a Purpose Driven Country. Also see:

“according to AfroAmerican Network sources in Kinshasa. … We praise God for the fact that Rick Warren has not been in Rwanda for a while,”

https://www.afroamerica.net/index.php/world/598-american-pastor-rick-warren-no-longer-wanted-by-god-and-by-general-paul-kagame-in-rwanda-says-rwandan-inter-faith-head

http://glpost.com/kagame-is-left-with-four-godfathers-preacher-rick-warren-jumped-ship/

SUMMARY OF PURPOSE DRIVEN COUNTRY CALCULATIONS:

Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven Countries Percentage of earth by square miles = 8%

Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven Countries Percentage of earth by population = 14%

Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven Countries (12) Percentage of total number of countries on the earth (196) = 6%

Do these figures constitute a Global Peace Plan to you?

And, like Warren’s boast about his PDL book sales being the best-selling hardback book in history, which raises the obvious question, who was second in sales, likewise, which country is the Second Purpose Driven Country, if Rwanda is First? Fifth? 54Th? Where is there a list? If there is such a list, it would be a list of one, at one point, but now would be zero. The fact is that the truth and the true number of Rick Warren Purpose Driven Countries percentage is closer to zero percent. Now one of my close friends once told me many years ago when I was touring the country in concert ministry when I was discouraged about concert attendance. He had both the wisdom of being a Christian songwriter and concert minister himself, but grew up in a legendary Gospel music singing family. I will never forget what he said to me: “Which is better, ten thousand screaming fans, or one whole person from your music ministry?” This edifying word of exhortation is something I will never forget. The point here is that the Great Commission and ministry is not a contest. The Apostle Paul rebuked Christians in Colossians for doing this. But it is Rick Warren that has turned this into a contest in his so-called God’s dream for him and God’s dream for you, with his Global Peace Plan. So where in Scripture does it tell us that God dreams? Is this God’s Dream, or God’s Nightmare? Rick Warren compares his Global Peace Plan to Nehemiah’s Wall. But Nehemiah succeeded in his righteous act of building the wall around Jerusalem. Warren tries to call Nehemiah’s building of the wall a “vision”. Really? Who’s vision? There is nothing in the Book of Nehemiah about a vision. The Prophets Moses, Ezekiel, Micah and Daniel had visions, clearly recorded in Scripture as such. Nehemiah did not! Then Warren would have us believe that God gave Nehemiah a dream (to build the wall). I challenge everyone out there to do your own search in the Book of Nehemiah, and show me one verse where the word “dream” even occurs, let alone that God gave Nehemiah a dream. So not only did Rick Warren get the facts wrong about the Book of Nehemiah, he has misappropriated what applied only to Nehemiah for himself and applied it to the Church today! This is also highly presumptuous that his Global Peace Plan is for the the entire church, not just his church or Purpose Driven Network. Read the entire book for yourself. Rick Warren wrongly presumes that his Global Peace Plan is from God. It should be obvious at this point that it could not have been from the Lord. Warren’s wall has collapsed…total failure! Warren’s wall more closely resembles the Walls of Jericho, than it does the Nehemiah’s Wall. Rick Warren is no Nehemiah. Numbers, Numbers, Numbers as he boasts with both his book sales and number of countries he as recruited or hopes to integrate into his Global Peace Plan! And it has been more than a decade since he launched this Global Peace Plan, and this is all he has to show for it? (Using his argument, not mine!) What a track record! And what a contrast what the Macedonia’s would have had in their report on the Apostle Paul vs. Rwanda’s report on Rick Warren! And what a model for Rick Warren to call RWANDA the “NATIONAL MODEL” for his entire GLOBAL PEACE PLAN? (This is nothing against the nation of RWANDA or its people, but Warren’s own catastrophic failure of his own Global Peace Plan blueprints for the total of 196 nations on the earth (the Globe)). In fact, let’s look more closely at what Rwanda really thinks about Rick Warren:
Rick Warren’s first Purpose Driven Country, Rwanda, has virtually rejected him. See:
http://www.holybibleprophecy.org/?s=Rwanda
and
There was a story that just ran in Rwanda in September 2016, documenting that his program there has completely collapsed.
Here is the story:
http://www.therwandan.com/blog/kagame-is-left-with-four-godfathers-preacher-rick-warren-jumped-ship/

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IV. LATEST RICK WARREN / ROMAN CATHOLIC ALLIANCE:

V. ELLIOTT NESCH FILM DOCUMENTARY INVESTIGATION OF RICK WARREN:

BESTSELLING NON-FICTION HARDCOVER (BACK) BOOKS IN HISTORY RANKING LIST: 1)TITLE 2)AUTHOR 3)NUMBER OF SALES 4)RANKING

The following list was recently compiled by James Sundquist, thusly refuting the lie of Rick Warren’s claims that the “Purpose Driven Life” was the greatest selling non-fiction book ever.  Mr. Sundquist spent hundreds of hours researching the following data:

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BOOKS IN HISTORY-  RANKING LIST-  1)TITLE   2)AUTHOR   3)NUMBER OF SALES 4)RANKING

BIBLE HOLY SPIRIT 6-8 BILLION 1 A COLLECTION OF QUOTATIONS FROM CHINESE CHAIRMAN MAO ZEDONG MAO 6.5 BILLION 2 QURAN (MUSLIM KORAN) MOHAMMAD 3 BILLION 3 RED BOOK (QUOTATIONS FROM CHAIRMAN MAO TSETUNG) CHAIRMAN MAO 800 MILLION 4 XINHUA ZIDIAN CHINESE DICTIONARY MAO 400 MILLION 5 CHAIRMAN MAO’S POEMS MAO 400 MILLION 5 (TIED) BOOK OF COMMON PRAYER ANGLICAN CHURCH 300 MILLION 6 COMMUNIST MANIFESTO KARL MARX HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS 7 BHAGAVA GITA UNKNOWN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS (TIED) 7 FOXE’S BOOK OF MARTYRS JOHN FOXE, W. BERRY 150 MILLION 8 BOOK OF MORMON JOSEPH SMITH 140 MILLION 9 GUINNESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS GUINNESS 123 MILLION (2012) now 138 10 JEHOVAH’S WITNESS: “THE TRUTH THAT LEADS TO ETERNAL LIFE” WATCHTOWER 107 MILLION 11 THE GREAT CONTROVERSY ELLEN G. WHITE 100 MILLION 12 THE THREE PREPRESENTATIONS JIANG ZEMIN 100 MILLION (TIED) 12 THE AMERICAN SPELLING BOOK NOAH WEBSTER 100 MILLION (TIED) 12 THE WORLD ALMANAC THE NEW YORK WORLD 80 MILLION 13 THINK AND GROW RICH NAPOLEAN HILL 70 MILLION 14 BETTY CROCKER COOK BOOK BETTY CROCKER 63 MILLION 15 STEPS TO CHRIST ELLEN G. WHITE 60 MILLION 16 THE MCGUFFEY READERS WILLIAM MCGUFFEY 60 MILLION (TIED) 16 MERRIAM-WEBSTER COLLEGIATE DICTIONARY GEORGE AND CHARLES MERRIAM 55 MILLION 17 YOU CAN HEAL YOURSELF LOUISE MAY 50 MILLION 18 THE COMMON SENSE BOOK OF BABY AND CHILD CARE BENJAMIN SPOCK 50 MILLION (TIED) 18 THE HITE REPORT SHERE HITE 50 MILLION (TIED) 18 BETTER HOMES & GARDENS NEW COOK BOOK BETTER HOMES & GARDEN 38 MILLION 19 (TOTAL = 24)
PURPOSE DRIVEN LIFE RICK WARREN 32 MILLION (2012) 36 and 48
SOURCES (COMPILATION): PREPARED 2017

Zondervan (Harper/Collins) and Rick Warren would have us believe that 32 million sales of his PDL book make his the “bestselling nonfiction hardback book in history” when is takes hundreds of millions of sales to even make the top ten in history, and billions of sales to be #1 or #2. Furthermore, George Slowick, the President of Publishers Weekly totally disavows the claim that Warren and Zondervan attribute to PW.

Rick Warren’s (and Zondervan’s) Public Relations firm issued this false advertising press release which you likely also received, believing it to be true:

“After 10 unprecedented years as the best-selling non-fiction hardback in history, Rick Warren’s The Purpose Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For? is being re-tooled and re-released by Zondervan”
Source: https://www.charismanews.com/us/34357-rick-warrens-the-purpose-driven-life-celebrates-10-years

What this statement means is that you are claiming that the PDL book was also the bestselling book in history in 2002, as the above PR was in 2012, and continued to hold that ranking every year since through 2012. They posted that this book had sold 30 million by 2007. This is an average of 6 million books per year, or approximately 6 million in the first year (2002). So by whose authority renders 6 million as bestseller in history in 2002, and which author was eclipsed, and where is the ranking list which would show that author now #2?

But his PDL book had not even sold 6 million in the first year. Proof:

“By January, 2003 The Purpose Driven Life had sold 500,000 copies and was awarded the Gold Book Award. Just two months later it had crossed the 1 million threshold and was awarded the Platinum Book Award.”

Purpose Driven Life was award the Gold Book Award for having sold 500,000 copies by January 2003, and had sold 1 million by March 2003, by Evangelical Christian Publishers Association (ECPA). But this total pitifully short of being the bestselling nonfiction hardback book in its first year, or any year since. I don’t have an issue with the number of books Warren sold, but not telling the truth about the book sales.

At first I was willing to give Larry Ross Communications the benefit of the doubt, and that they were simply passing on and promoting what Rick Warren and Zondervan were feeding them. But now they know with certainly that this claim is fraudulent and farcical! But the fact is Warren’s book was NEVER the bestselling nonfiction hardback book in history in any year or any of the combined total for all of these years. You must certainly know this claim is fraudulent and farcical! But the fact is Warren’s book was NEVER the bestselling nonfiction hardback book in history in any year or any of the combined total for all of these years.

In this regard, we are both aware of the following Scriptures (that I am confident you agree with):

“…we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:” Isaiah 28:15
“If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” 2 John 9-11
Finally, Christianity is about TRUTH and the the Way the TRUTH, and the Life, which is Jesus Christ himself. So to promote falsehood to tens of millions, and training them in it, is the antithesis of Christianity and brings shame upon the Name of Jesus Christ.

This proves with certainty that Warren/Zondervan and PR Firm A. Larry Ross have committed fraud and false advertising, and fake endorsement (attribution).

Sincerely in Christ

James Sundquist

 

I. 2017 RICK WARREN UPDATE ON PURPOSE DRIVEN LIFE SALES CLAIM

For your reference here is what Rick Warren posted this on his Purpose Driven website for his Global Peace Plan website:

Purpose Driven Life is “the bestselling nonfiction hardback book in history” (attributed to Publishers Weekly…meaning number 1):
SOURCE: http://www.purposedriven.com/books/pdlbook/#purpose
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and here it is on Zondervan, his publisher:
http://www.zondervan.com/the-purpose-driven-life-1
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BESTSELLING NONFICTION HARDCOVER (BACK) BOOKS IN HISTORY RANKING LIST:

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I recently received an email from Os Guinness (Guinness Book of Records). He spoke at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church. He said he teased Rick Warren that the Guinness Book of Records sold more books than Warren’s PDL Book. He would know. But Guinness own site states 138 million sold. They sell 2.5 million per year. So in 2012 that figure would have been about 123 million, when Warren had sold 32 million, when they made their claim they attributed to PW. That is about 7 times Warren’s sales (both are nonfiction). But even 123 million does not make the top ten.
Now for anyone to name their book as number one, it always comes from a list. Where is the list? All other books in top twenty, 50, or 100, lists the book and the number as well as the ranking of everyone who is NOT number one.

Rick Warren’s book is not even in the top ten Christian bestsellers list (a few of these are fiction, so this would bring Warren within the top ten…but his claim is ALL nonfiction hardback books):

“Other than the Bible, which is the far and away the best-
selling Christian book of all time with sales in the billions,
here is my list for your consideration:
The Imitation of Christby Thomas à Kempis (1418) – Sales Unknown, but widely regarded as the best-selling Christian title after the Bible.
Book of Common Prayer (various editions starting in mid 16th Century) – 300 million (estimated)
Pilgrims Progress by John Bunyan (1678) – 250 million
Foxe’s Book of Martyrs by John Foxe (1563) – 150 million

Lord of the Rings, J.R.R. Tolkien (1954) – 150 million
The Hobbit, J.R.R. Tolkien (1937) – 142 million
The Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe by C.S. Lewis (1950) – 85 million
Steps to Christ by Ellen White (1892) – 60 million (estimated)
Ben Hur by Lew Wallace (1880) – 50 million
The Late Great Planet Earth by Hal Lindsey (1970) – 35 million
In His Steps by Charles Sheldon (1896) – 30 million
The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren (2002) – 30 million
The Power of Positive Thinking by Norman Vincent Peale (1952) – 20 million
The Shack by William Paul Young (2007) – 20 million
The Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri (1320) – 12 million (in last 150+ years)
The Five Love Languages by Gary Chapman (1995) – 10 million+
Jesus Calling by Sarah Young (2004) – 10 million+
Heaven is for Real by Todd Burpo (2010) – 10 million+
More Than A Carpenter by Josh McDowell (1977) – 10 million+
The Prayer of Jabez by Bruce Wilkinson (2000) – 10 million+
The Total Woman by Marabel Morgan (1974) – 10 million
The Gospel According to Peanuts, Robert Short (1965) – 10 million”

Rick Warren and his publisher Zondervan (now Harper-Collins) claim that Publishers Weekly stated that Rick Warren’s is “the bestselling non-fiction hardback book in history.” If this were true, Warren’s book would appear on PW’s own website list of best selling non-fiction books in history. PW does have such a top 25 list, here it is, and Rick Warren is not on it!:
https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/nielsen/HardcoverNonfiction.html

Note in the link that Publishers Weekly uses Nielsen tracking, one of the most reputable bookselling sales tracking and ranking companies in the world. PW can supply you with sales figures for EVERY year since 1998. Secondly, note that on that link PW and the industry at large does not use the term “hardback”, rather they use the term “hardcover”.

For example, you can type in Publishers Weekly site search engine any book such as Purpose Driven Life, or Southern Baptist author Daniel Darling’s IFAITH book:
https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-1-59669-294-7

The printed version of the review in Publishers Weekly shows the page number. In the case of Darling’s book, page 54, and date of the PW Issue: December 13, 2010. Furthermore, you can see that every book review on PW shows the author of the review.

Go to Publishers Weekly search engine to verify anything Publishers Weekly ever said about any book. In other words, if a statement is made by Publishers Weekly about a book, it is in Publishers Weekly.

One more thing here is a statement by George Slowik, President of Publishers Weekly regarding Rick Warren’s statement about his PDL book:

George W. Slowik, President of Publishers Weekly:
“I’ve checked our site which includes all of our content from about 1995.
Also touched base with our religion editors and there is no finding of a
quote like that…We don’t generally use the term hardback.” September 30, 2013 11:33:08 PM EDT

If people don’t believe my report, call Publishers Weekly yourself and ask to speak their President George Slowik or their chief religion editor, Lynn Garrett. Did you ever verify this claim yourself. If not, you should verify this. But I am surprised no one at your church, Warren’s Church, or Zondervan editors never questioned the validity of this claim. Here is PW’s tel. #: 212-377-5705 or 212-377-5703

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A blog entry soon to follow from James Sundquist will examine how Rick Warren used Carl Jung’s Personality Types for his Shape Discovery 301 series, Warren’s Global Peace Plan, and his alliance with the Roman Catholic Church.

Blessings, Pastor Steve

Rick Warren Challenges Christians That They Are Not Fit For The Kingdom If They Study Bible Prophecy

Even Steven

I have no idea what additional proof one would need in order to discern that Rick Warren is a false prophet, pure and simple.  He has the audacity to believe that the Purpose Driven movement is bringing in a New Reformation, hence as we follow this track, his thinking is that he is a modern day Martin Luther.  To Rick, the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and the Millenium are small potatoes, because like Ford, he has a better idea.

Perhaps he envisions himself as a Protestant Pope of some sort, and when he speaks “ex cathedra,” his words supersede Holy Writ.  Rick’s time is spent hobnobbing with Muslim clerics, the Pope, various United Nations affiliates, involvement with a plethora of social concerns, meeting the leaders from all religions, and spending time with an additional assortment of political VIP’s throughout the world.  (This sounds like a purely social “gospel” to…

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“Ye must be born again.”  John 3:7

“Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”   John 1:13

The new birth does not come through human descent (“not of blood”), nor does it come through human desire (“the will of the flesh”), nor does it come through human determination (“nor of the will of man”).  The issue is, have you put your faith in Christ?  Have you been born of God: have you been born from above?  Apart from this you will never enter the kingdom of God (John 3:3).  Believe on Christ now, tomorrow may be too late.   -W. Ross Rainey

Children of men, attend to the word, so solemnly uttered by Jesus the Lord; And let not this message to you be in vain, “Ye must be born again.”  -William T. Sleeper

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Let us contrast the beautiful aforementioned summary of true salvation with that of Rick Warren, founder of Saddleback Church in California.  The following quotation is taken from page 220 of the Purpose Driven Church:  “Anybody can be won to Christ if you discover the key to his or her heart.”

Sorry Rick, as it states prior to your man centered apostate statement, salvation does NOT come through human desire or determination.  It comes from ABOVE, and you and I are not big enough to find keys to anyone’s heart.  Do not be deceived- Salvation has everything to do with becoming born from above.  It has NOTHING to do with finding keys to people’s hearts.

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Are you a Berean or a Laodicean?  Do you believe the Bible or Rick Warren?  Rick Warren is a litmus test and a referendum of Biblical illiteracy.  Unfortunately he is plum out of line with how one becomes saved – the most important issue that anyone will ever face this side of eternity.  In the following video, John MacArthur succinctly and thoroughly exegetes the scriptures, comparing the impotence of Rick Warren’s “Gospel,” with the true and Biblical Gospel that saves.  Warren totally ignores the doctrine of repentance, without which one cannot be saved.  [Luke 13:3,5 “I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”]  In a mere three minutes, the following video beautifully summarizes what true salvation is, and what it is not:

 

False Prophet Rick Warren Exposed!

These lengthly videos record many of Rick Warren’s false teachings, including Chrislam, his worldwide P.E.A.C.E. Plan, Catholicism, allegiance with the Pope, Mariolatry, universalism, promotion of the New World Order (NWO), his disparagement of Christian Fundamentalists, easy believism, no repentance required and all inclusive salvation, no mention of sin or condemnation, and much more.  Among the authors on these videos are John MacArthur, Phil Johnson, James Sundquist, Scott Johnson, Gary Gilley and Jack Van Impe.  Rick Warren is a litmus test.  Are you a Berean or a Laodicean?

In Christ, Pastor Steve

Beware Of The False Gospel Of Rick Warren